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what a freaking moron is Dick? (0.00 / 0)

"His (Hillsmen dick head ad man) task was made all the more difficult this week with revelations of insensitive remarks from Mr. Friedman's past, including a 1997 newspaper interview in which he said "I applaud teenage suicide"
http://www.dallasnew...

What the hell is funny about this subject?  My cousin committed suicide and our family has never been the same. This mental midget makes me puke!

by: hamiltonfan @ Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 19:35:30 PM CDT

I've not commented on the whole Kinky is a Racist Line (0.00 / 0)

First let me qualify this comment by saying that it is in reference to Friedman's jokes using the N word, not comments he made in a non-humor related setting where he may have made disparaging remarks about people. i.e. the comment on Katrina Victems, though in fairness he did not say Black Katrina Victems, the fact that the majority may be black is walking on shaky ground if you are going to use this comment to charge Kinky as a racist, insensitive loudmouth; definately. But racist, based on that comment; a bit shaky.

But I just have to ask, If Chris Rock were running for Governor would we even be having this conversation?

and none of this, well he's black so it's ok. Well here's what; no it's really not.

It's tasteless, it's not P.C., it's apparently what hundreds of thousands of people spend their hard earned money to listen to.

Kinky is NOT, a good candidate for Gov. Kinky is a comedian/writer/singer/animal lover/ a whole lot of other things, if we're all honest, I really doubt racist is one of them.

This is the same kind of comments taken out of context crap that republicans pull all the time, and frankly we should be better than that. There are at least 100 legitimate reasons not to vote for Kinky; we really don't need to resort to calling a man a racist because he expresses a sense of humor regarding race relations, (whether you are able to appreciate it or not, it is his personal sense of humor). That is unless we are prepared to call every stand up comic who has ever used the N word, or any other racial epitaph, or made a joke with race as its base a racist as well.

Come on people, let's move on to substance.

Prisoner of hope.

by: comeon @ Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 21:02:13 PM CDT

Kinky DID say the "crackheads and thugs were" black and he later lied (3.00 / 1)

On September 9, 2006, Guillermo X. Garcia with the San Antonio Express-News reported on a question-and-answer session with Kinky and directly quoted him:

In answer to a question, Friedman said the comments do not indicate that he holds racist views. Rather, he said they demonstrate his ability to take on a subject the other candidates won't touch.

"Racism was here before I came around," he said. "I am just trying to bring up these issues within the (expletive) society."

Later, he said: "As it happens, the crackheads and thugs who remain in Houston after Katrina happen to be black; that's fact."

Later on Wednesday, September 13, 2006, the Dallas Morning News published a subsequent Associated Press interview with Kinky Friedman:

Friedman last week said he would provide $100 million to Houston, or any other city facing similar crime problems, so Houston could hire 1,200 new police officers to deal with crime and weed out the "crackheads and thugs" among the thousands of Katrina evacuees from New Orleans who relocated to Houston.

Roundly criticized as a thinly veiled attack on blacks from Louisiana, Friedman said Wednesday his proposal "was not in any way racist."

"How can you possibly regret that, telling the truth?" he asked. "I am not a racist, I am a realist. ... I never said what color their skin was. .... I'm smarter than that."

by: stopkinky @ Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 21:44:06 PM CDT

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Kinky DID say the "crackheads and thugs were" black and he later lied (0.00 / 0)

This I did not know, and is important information to have.

If that is the case, then that really is a problem and should definately be challenged.

That is exacatly what i am talking about, if he did this, then that is evidence of racism, but using racial epitaphs in his  routine is not. Let's stick to the REAL stuff.

Thanks for that clarification.

Prisoner of hope.

by: comeon @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 05:56:22 AM CDT

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When they run for office (0.00 / 0)

then they need to answer the questions, not dismiss them as immaterial. 

Kinky isn't running for court jester, he's running for governor.  Just like Ahnold in California, he has to deal with his public persona in doing so or admit he's just a gimmick candidate looking for a publicity payday.

He claims to want to be considered a serious candidate, so he needs to bear the scrutiny any other serious candidate would come under.

See also, George Allen.

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by: boadicea @ Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 22:14:44 PM CDT

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substance (3.00 / 1)

I'd move on to substance if there was some coming from his campaign. But he's running a campaign on one-liners and entertainment so it makes perfect sense to attack on him on what his 'strength' is even if it is a shtick.

I can help you ActBlue.

by: Karl-Thomas Musselman @ Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 23:20:37 PM CDT

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Must hitting a nerve (1.00 / 1)

You move faster than Phillip to remove anything that others might see and pursue further.

by: Baby Snooks @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 00:30:10 AM CDT

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no (3.00 / 1)

you're just annoying and have nothing positive to say ever about Democrats. Believe me when I say that an ban is soon in your future because you've simply gone off the deep end.

I can help you ActBlue.

by: Karl-Thomas Musselman @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 02:41:58 AM CDT

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Just not the Democrat you want me to (0.00 / 0)

You can ban me if you want. I still will vote for Kinky Friedman.  As will others.  We don't like Chris Bell. Some of us for reasons you are very well aware of from what I've been told.

Some of us tried to put those reasons aside and find something positive, as you put it, about him.  Mainly because we really would prefer to have a Democrat in the governor's mansion.

The latest slash-and-trash smear campaign focusing on Kinky Friedman, whose base of support in no way threatens the base of support for Chris Bell, is just another reason added to so many others.

Chris Bell claims to be a leader.  A leader leads by example. Not by pointing fingers and casting stones. 

Being a Democrat does not require us to support any particular Democrat.  Nor does it require us to to be politically correct or even politically incorrect for that matter. We are allowed to decide for ourselves who to vote for and what to support. Or not support.  Blind party loyalty is an attribute of Republicans.  Not Democrats.

Many of my comments are often mirrored by others.  So banning me or anyone else for that matter will not get rid of the comments. 

by: Baby Snooks @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 04:08:26 AM CDT

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Babny Snooks is not now, nor ever has been a Democrat! (0.00 / 0)

You, the kinkster's best apologist, obviously by your frequent comments, have never been a Democrat, no matter what you try to state in your posts!

Chris Bell cares about people.  Kinky cares about Kinky,(no one else) and always has!  You are in no way a Democrat, so do not even try to claim that status.  You are here simply to attempt to disrupt the progressive voices in this state and I, for one, am not willing to allow you to get away with that!

I have no idea of whom you pretend to be, but it does not work on this site!  Anything "Baby Snooks" is automatically regarded as anti-Democratic and pro-Kinky, and I, for one, am damn sick and tired of seeing your crap on a progressive blog.  Take it to the kinky-shit places where you'll find much love but keep it off of here!

by: mlfhoutx @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 05:42:35 AM CDT

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I'm more troubled by the disingenuousness (3.00 / 1)

I have a high tolerance for people who do not share my beliefs. I am comfortable challenging the factual basis for their beliefs and I am comfortable answering their challenges to my beliefs.

But I have little tolerance for blatant disingenuousness. I find it annoying when some sock puppet deliberately disrupts an otherwise productive discussion with patently insincere arguments and factual misstatements which the sock puppet continues to push even after having been repeatedly corrected.

I wouldn't mind if BS was candid about her (?) antipathy for Bell, but it annoys me to hear repeatedly about how Bell supposedly isn't "progressive" enough for her taste when everything she writes demonstrates that she is not at all progressive. It's tiresome and dishonest.

by: stopkinky @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 07:34:45 AM CDT

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I love it when "progressives" (0.00 / 0)

Repudiate freedom of speech.

by: Wanderer @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 13:34:54 PM CDT

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I love it when advocates of free speech (0.00 / 0)

Really mean "How dare anyone RESPOND with anything other than an endorsement of my position."

Thanks for spreading the love...

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by: boadicea @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 13:47:08 PM CDT

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actually... (0.00 / 0)

There's plenty of substance coming from the Kinky Friedman campaign. You can find a lot of it here:

www.kinkyfriedman.com/issues

by: jeremytodd @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 12:00:51 PM CDT

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Kinky is not a racist(?) (0.00 / 0)

I do not believe you actually posted this.  Everything he has ever said, and continues to say, proves that he belongs to the Republican Racist Party of America.

You are welcome to vote for whomever you choose, so long as the new Republican laws do not disqualify you from voting because you do not wear the "Bush-Republican" banner.

But the statement that Kinky is not a racist is totally unfounded and not supported by facts or history.

by: mlfhoutx @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 06:01:16 AM CDT

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I view his statements (at least the one's I've seen) (0.00 / 0)

to be more along the lines of chosen to elicit a strong response, be that response one of laughter or outrage or disgust; and not genuinely racist in nature. I think Kinky is more showman grabbing for attention however he can get it than actual racist. His remarks are primarily of the type used for shock factor, not to reveal insight into his persona.

And just to set the record straight, I never, I repeat; NEVER said I would vote for Kinky, I have been leading the charge against voting for him within the cirlce of those I know. Thus my comment that there are plenty of reasons not to vote for him that have nothing to do with his real or imagined racism.
How about the fact that he is overwhelmingly unqualified for the position?
I still hope he can at least make good on his claim of wanting Perry out of office by doing the only thing he can do to help ensure we don't have to endure Perry for another term, and that's drop out of the race and support the Dem. for governor.

Prisoner of hope.

by: comeon @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 11:59:05 AM CDT

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So much for spirited, free debate (0.00 / 0)

Is this blog about being a Democrat or holding progressive views toward politics?

Go ahead, click on About Us on the right hand side of the page.  You will read the following:

"Thanks for stopping by, and we always appreciate respectful comments and debate."

I'm going to take ya'll up on that.  I am not a Democrat, nor am I a Republican.  I am stopping by because this blog has been in the news attempting to smear my candidate for governor, and I've got some comments about that.

One: If you are genuinely offended, I hope you don't leave the house without pillows strapped to your body and your ears plugged.  Life is offensive.  Kinky is a humorist, and he's proudly un-P.C.  Neither make him a racist or even a bad person.  The hyper-sensitive people will react as they often do, calling for apologies while entirely missing the joke and/or larger meaning.  This is the same crowd that periodically wants to ban Huckleberry Finn.  They will probably vote for the blandest, most uninspiring person they can find, and so goes democracy.

Two (and pay attention here!): If you are not genuinely offended but are rather trying to score political points, you need to look at the wider picture.  Negative campaigning serves to reduce turnout for your opponent--it does not attract people to your candidate.  If Kinky was in the lead in a close two-party race, than negative might be the way to go.  He's not.  Rick Perry is.  The bulk of Kinky's support is not made up of Democrats, but of people who are normally completely disenchanted in politics.  That's how he's winning every poll that doesn't leave out "unlikely" voters.  Kinky is the reason his supporters give a rat's ass about politics.  If they don't vote for him, they aren't going to vote.  This is not a zero sum game.  A loss of support for Kinky does not translate into a gain in support for the Democrat or anyone else on the ballot.  In light of all that, I don't know why Democrats would consider this sort of tactic a good use of their time.

Three: If all that is immaterial and you're rather looking for your 15 minutes of fame, congratulations!  You made it!  But be wary of fame.  You'll be scrutinized more closely there and what you say and do can be taken out of context and distorted by other people looking for a chance to elevate their own stature.

by: TwoPartyIsDead @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 07:11:10 AM CDT

Unlikely voters (0.00 / 0)

I agree with you about people that say they will vote for Kinky weren't voting for the regular 2 choices.  If they get to the polls, they probably would also vote for Van Os, if he's on their radar, (which I actually kinda doubt) 

And this racist thing is bogus.  I say the word "cunt" sometimes for a reaction (usually guaranteed) and it does NOT mean I hate women.

by: MsInformed @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 12:05:59 PM CDT

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two party where do you get your durgs? (0.00 / 0)

Dick is not leading in any poll.  and every real poll tracks those who are going to vote even if they have never voted before.  check out the latest public poll that released all of the data -- the credit union poll.  it shows that this is a race between Bell and Perry and Dick is in last place and the crazy one has stalled. 

by: hamiltonfan @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 09:25:24 AM CDT

You like polls? (0.00 / 0)

Ham,

Every legtimate poll ought to be posted here, and if it's not, you can fix that (God bless Wikipedia!).  The "credit union poll" isn't there, nor have I ever heard of it.  Doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't a good poll, but those would be reasonable conclusions, especially since you neglected to post a link.

Now let me tell you a little about legitimate polls.  None of them can claim to "track those who are going to vote even if they have never voted before" because polling science isn't that powerful.  People die, change their minds, leave the state, and do all sorts of other things anticipated and otherwise that prevent any poll from perfectly predicting an election.  I'll refrain from breaking it down further for you because that would get lengthly and involve a discussion of statistics, but do yourself a favor and read up on it.

So let's look at the latest poll from Survey USA on the previously referenced page.  If you click through, you should see this statement prominently displayed:

Filtering: 1,000 Texas adults were interviewed 9/16/06 - 9/18/06. Of them, 863 were Registered Voters. Of them, 536 were judged to be "likely" voters. Crosstabs reflect Likely Voters.

Without resorting to higher level math, let's look what they did.  They started with 1,000 people, tossed 137 who weren't registered, and then tossed another 327 who they decided didn't qualify as "likely" voters (don't ask me what "likely" means, just know it's entirely subjective and  each poll will define it differently).  Then they published results.  That's not illegal, nor uncommon, nor is it particularly bad polling science.  But what happens if the people this poll threw out decided to go to the polls because they were inspired by a larger-than-life Jewish Texan, UT grad, former Peace Corps volunteer, author, musician, and animal lover?  Then you can add 46% to the 23% he already has, and you can see how badly Kinky runs away with this.  Unlikely?  Perhaps, but stranger things have happened.  Kinky has said repeatedly he's running against apathy.  If he can win that race, this other race is his too.

by: TwoPartyIsDead @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 12:08:22 PM CDT

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OK (0.00 / 0)

You make this claim: That's how he's winning every poll that doesn't leave out "unlikely" voters.
Then you say: Every legtimate poll ought to be posted here, and if it's not, you can fix that (God bless Wikipedia!). 

There are no polls listed at your link that leave "unlikely" voters in. There are also no polls that show Kinky winning.

Please fix the wiki by posting links to your legitimate polls that look at unlikely voters and show Kinky in the lead.

by: George @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 12:35:41 PM CDT

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Unlikely or likely? (0.00 / 0)

To my knowledge, there are no scientifically-administered, legitimate polls that include “unlikely” voters in the mix.  There are plenty of spot-polls (like this one) that evidently don’t screen for likely voters and are not scientific but do show Kinky winning comfortably.  While these polls are unlikely to predict actual votes on election day, I would argue they do capture a couple other things like fervor and internet savvy.  Such things are not useless to a candidate.  I do believe Kinky is going to bring far more "unlikely" voters to the polls than any of the other candidates, so in that sense the SABJ poll does reflect reality.

The bottom line is scientific polls that show Kinky losing with "likely" voters are no better than unscientific polls that show Kinky winning with "unlikely" voters; they both fail to capture the intricacies of this race.  The truth is probably somewhere in between, i.e. Kinky winning a squeaker.

And with regard to this Texas Credit Union League poll...  I dunno.  The the Perry blog doesn't say anything about their methodology except to criticize it.  When I put site:www.tcul.coop poll in Google, nothing comes up.  What kind of polling operation doesn't post their results on their own website?  The Perry blog does say it was administered by Republican and Democrat polling operations.  Well, I hesitate to call that unbiased when my candidate is neither Republican or Democrat.  In the end, I can almost assure you they screened for "likely" voters because the two major parties don't think anyone else matters.

As for tracking legitimate polls, I appreciate the suggestion and I'm happy someone does it because they probably will capture the information they're seeking regarding "likely" voters.  That's a useful baseline for Kinky, but that's not a full picture, and at the end of the day I'm banking on the legitimate polls grossly underestimating my candidate's support.  Let me put this challenge to you:  Find me a scientifically-administered poll that includes "unlikely" voters that doesn't have Kinky winning comfortably.

Good luck.

And to S.Kinky, you know Kinky is targeting the 71% of the voting age population who didn't vote in the last governor's race.  Sure he's peeling some traditional Democratic and Republican votes--he's an attractive candidate--but you going negative is not helping your cause for the reasons I cited above.  Come to think of it, what is your cause?  Have you picked a horse in this race yet?

by: TwoPartyIsDead @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 17:06:33 PM CDT

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You may believe that Kinky is "targeting" nonvoters, but (0.00 / 0)

there is no evidence that Kinky is doing that, and it seems naive to presume kinky is "targeting" nonvoters when the evidence is to the contrary.

For example, if Kinky was targeting nonvoters he wouldn't be wasting his meager campaign funds on schmaltzy television spots and would, instead, be spending that money on a voter registration drive.

Kinky says he's "targeting" nonvoters but his campaign is directed at a general audience in the very same way as Perry's, Bell's, and Strayhorn's campaigns.

In my city, the Republicans are running a modest voter registration drive (mainly in churches) and the Democrats are running a HUGE door-to-door voter registration drive.  Strayhorn's and Kinky's supporters aren't doing anything.

I cannot tell if you are being dishonest or naive when you cite the Business Journal polls.

Anyone with a computer can vote as many times as he or she wishes in those polls, out of state people can vote, unregistered voters can vote, children can vote, etc.  I have seen similar polls showing Bell winning, Strayhorn winning, Kinky winning, and Perry winning.  For example, in the most recent Odessa American on-line poll (at http://oaoa.com/) Bell won going away and Perry came in last.  Does than suggest that Bell will the election and Perry will come in last? Only a child would think so.

by: stopkinky @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 18:14:05 PM CDT

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I watch TV, ergo I am a "likely" voter?!? (0.00 / 0)

Let me get this straight...  In your book if a person is watching TV, they are a likely voter and therefore Kinky should spend his money elsewhere.  That makes no sense and you know it.

Kinky has as much right to those airwaves as any other candidate, and his audience is watching.  Everybody is watching.

Don't doubt the voter registration drive is coming.  It's already started.  Left hand side, below the menu.

I think I made my point perfectly clear in my last post.  I'll post the relevant portion again for those of you who read selectively and like to quote out of context:

The bottom line is scientific polls that show Kinky losing with "likely" voters are no better than unscientific polls that show Kinky winning with "unlikely" voters; they both fail to capture the intricacies of this race.

30+ comments = dead thread in my book, but let me reemphasize my point about negative campaigning: It's not going to work for you.  Did you know the democrat has two new TV ads out?  There's even a post about them here on this very blog.  And that post has gathered all of... drumroll here... 2 comments.  Instead we're here talking about Kinky.  The  more press he gets, the less press the other candidates get.  The Democrat assassins need to find a new tactic if they are to have any hope of getting their man elected, or even recognized.

And S.Kinky, I asked you a question, two in fact.  Do me the courtesy of at least telling me why you'd rather not answer them.

by: TwoPartyIsDead @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 23:32:14 PM CDT

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My cause is to gather and and share information about the Texas (5.00 / 2)

governor's race.

If either Bell or Strayhorn has a better chance of beating Perry and the other one doesn't have nearly as good a chance, I'll vote for the one who can beat Perry.  If both or neither have a chance of beating Perry, I'll vote for the more progressive candiate of the two.

My point about Kinky's allocation of campaign funds toward the general voting audience and not "targeting nonvoters" was over your head.  I can't simplify it any more so let's skip it.

On my blog, the overwhelming majority of my posts are about the substantive deficiencies in Kinky substanceless self-promotional novelty campaign.  The fact that the media picked up on Kinky's racially divisive comments instead of reporting on Kinky's moronic right-wing policy suggestions or his blatant lies is a feature of how the media works.

It's kind of a shame that the media believes that people are more interested in Kinky's 20 year old "nigger jokes" and less interested in how Kinky's proposed policies would make it more difficult for minority and poor students to get into Texas' best colleges, but maybe the media knows their audience's interests and attention span better than I do.

You'll notice that every time you or anyone has raised a substantive issue about Kinky, the people here generally respond in a substantive manner.  That is, no one ever said "Kinky has a great immigration policy" and someone here responded "yeah, but he tells 'nigger jokes.'" Instead, if someone was so diluded as to suggest Kinky has a great immigration plan, people would respond by explaining why Kinky's immigration plan is xenophobic, internally inconsistent, dangerously inadequate from a national security perspective, and certainly unconstitutional.  That is because in response to substantive issues, it is easy to show that Kinky's is substanceless and inconsistent and over-handled by his staff and generally demonstrates a grasp of the issues as I would expect of relatively bright a high school student who reads his or her local newspaper 4 or 5 days a week (which is to say Kinky seems better informed than the voters you say he is "targeting" but he's still the least informed person on his own campaign staff and BY FAR the least informed of the candidates).

by: stopkinky @ Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 00:40:07 AM CDT

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No, he's targeting low information voters (0.00 / 0)

That's a whole other subset of the voting universe.

His media honeymoon is over.  Now, he gets to be held to the same scrutiny as any other politician who makes racist statements, and then digs the hole even further.

See also, George Allen of VA.

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by: boadicea @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 22:58:14 PM CDT

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its on many sites the chorn, quorum, RP vs the world (0.00 / 0)

theres moreto life the dicks site.  the credit union folks posted their entire survey all the cross tabs and stuff done by two firms a dem and gop.  800 voters

by: hamiltonfan @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 13:24:10 PM CDT

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I haven't the time to remediate all of your confusion, which is bounteous (3.00 / 1)

but for starters the definition of "likely voters" is not entirely subjective. It is an objective process. The main factor is the poll participant’s answer to the question "are you likely to vote in the up-coming election?"

Kinky will finish third or forth, but that doesn't matter. What matters is which voters support him. 

Kinky's effect is negligible if his modest fraction of the vote in mainly composed of the anti-immigration xenophobes and disaffected white voters harboring racial resentment, the anti-choice pro-school-prayer religious right, and the pro-Bush pro-war disaffected Republicans and Republican-leaning independents.

Kinky's effect is to guarantee Perry's re-election if his modest fraction of the vote in mainly composed of progressive voters who either are ill-informed about Kinky's right-wing views or are voting for Kinky despite the fact that his policy positions are to the right of Perry on many issues and to the right of Bell and Strayhorn on almost all issues.
 

by: stopkinky @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 16:19:27 PM CDT

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WOW! (0.00 / 0)

After all of the times that I saw "Burnt Orange Report" cited for breaking the story on Kinky Friedman these past few days, I had to come over and have a look for myself.
For some background on me. I have lived in Texas all of my life but I haven't voted in years since there really hasn't been a candidate running that inspires me much.

  Onto BOR...
Quite honestly I don't remember the last time I have seen such intolerance to the views of others. The outright rudeness shown to Kinky's supporters here is appaling. I don't know how you can expect to have an intelligent debate when you constantly insult the other person. I don't really care obout Mr. Friedman but I do  think we should respect each other even if we don't agree on our viewpoints.
Now I don't really know what Mr. Bell stands for but if the behaviour here is any indication of the way his people treat others, I just might have to go to the polls this year. (And vote for anyone but him.)

by: john maxey @ Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 12:04:49 PM CDT

If that's the standard by which you select (0.00 / 0)

the person you're going to support, then I suggest you abstain from voting at all.

Respectfully.


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by: boadicea @ Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 01:55:38 AM CDT

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Dumb attitude (0.00 / 0)

Here's something...Why alienate these people that Kinky's candidacy has activated?  If he were to drop out for some reason, these people would vote aginst Perry & his Trans-Texas crap.

Have y'all asked Chris Bell if this attack crap is the sort of support he's looking for?

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