Burnt Orange Report

Paying any attention to the Klan just gets them more media coverage. It plays into their hands. The best thing to to do is just to ignore them. If we ignore them, they lose.

Yes, but there's something also surreal about wearing boxers that said "Support Live Music In Austin" as a way of confirming their irrelevancy. I wasn't at the 1993 Austin rally (I was stuck up in Georgetown), but me and my stoner buddies did have a good time protesting the Klan in College Station a year later. Especially when my friend tried to get the Grand Wizard's signature on an illustrated poster of a Klansman "knowing" (in the Biblical sense) a cow.

And, unfortunately, they're going to "win" in this instance. Better states than us have handily passed such propositions.

Aren't you libs forgetting something? David Duke is an ally of Cindy Sheehan (Cindy found a friend in the ex-Grand Wizard/white supremacist when she made the anti-semitic remarks, linking the Iraq War to Zionism)...but of course, a liberal with their hypocrisy can only connect the KKK with conservatives....

I don't see anything in K-T's post or in these comments linking the KKK to conservatives. The KKK has chosen to rally in support of Prop 2, and we here at BOR -- being people who are both against Prop 2 and against the KKK -- don't agree with the KKK's position, or their intent to hold a rally. You, Trey, are the first person to use the word "conservatives" in this post, in fact.

So don't get your bedsheets all in a twist, k?

A little part of me dies each time a Democrat says Prop 2 will pass. If only because then that means there are hundreds of hours of my life I will never get back. If y'all spent as much time working against it as you do whining about how big of a margin it will pass by, then maybe you'd be doing something constructive.

Phillip, just how long does your memory extend (or just how selective is it)? On October 28, K-T posted an entry linking the KKK and conservatives. The link might not have been in today's post, but most of us with a decent grasp of logic know what he is setting out to accomplish. Just because he didn't include the word "conservative" in today's post doesn't mean that he isn't trying to set up the link as he did in the Oct. 28th post.
Like I've said..libs crack me up...always in denial of their own group's actions. What really had me laughing out loud is how Joe Wilson told the National Press Club that he is not a "Commie Lib Sympathizer", even though he has associated himself with MoveOn.org.....

"A little part of me dies each time a Democrat says Prop 2 will pass."

Doesn't say much for those Democrats, does it?

"On October 28, K-T posted an entry linking the KKK and conservatives."

Bigotry is not defined by political beliefs alone and many of the Democrats who will vote for Proposition 2 would also vote to repeal the Civil Rights Act if given the chance. Bigotry is alive and well in the Democratic Party. They just haven't written it into their party platform the way the Republicans have.

"What really had me laughing out loud is how Joe Wilson told the National Press Club that he is not a "Commie Lib Sympathizer", even though he has associated himself with MoveOn.org....."

What isn't funny is another Republican believing that endangering our national security in order to discredit truth is acceptable.

K-T, I understand your frustration. It's been difficult for me, as somebody actively working every day to defeat this crap, to have to hear people who should be on your side tearing you down. Half the battle is getting people to the polls and the "too bad it's going to pass" crowd is actually working against us by discouraging people from even bothering to vote. But what I do is try to imagine (whether it's true or not) that they are really just telling us those things to prod people like you and me into working that much harder, to make one more phone call, put up one more yard sign, look up one more person on friendsvote.org, post one more flyer, hand out one more bumper sticker, contribute one more dollar, e-mail one more friend. It's like it's some sort of backwards encouragement, but I guess it's what we've got to work with. So don't get discouraged ... remember there are others like you who believe this thing can fail.

And as norbizness reminds me, other states haven't had the help of an off-year election, the KKK's GOTV, and such sloppy writing on their side. The SaveTexasMarriage campaign is working.

I have lots of problems with people that primarily operate with stereotypical labels. It's one thing to use them occasionally for rhetoric and audience attention and whatnot. It's another to use them as a crutch for every single idea, opinion, and stream of logic formed within an argument.

Personally, as I've said before, I feel like attacking groups like Save Texas Marriage and MoveOn -- two public advocacy groups -- while standing idly by with the KKK -- a group with an infamous history I don't need to expand upon -- is outright absurd.

You can support Prop 2 and still condemn a group like the KKK -- unless your head is so far up your ass that we can never expect anything but shit to come out your mouth.

It's easy for you to say "Ignore the Klan".

Your brothers and sisters weren't murdered by them.

Rosa Parks didn't keep her mouth shut. She said NO!

We need to show these crackers that the world has CHANGED. They won't be put up with like they were in the past.

We have earned to right to wipe them off the face of the earth, and that we will do.

Thanks Marcus for proving our point about the unhinged, violent tendancies of the left towards those they disagree with.

And did KT really say "we gain little in rioting"? No KT, you gain NOTHING, and lose everything by rioting. But that probably won't stop the violence, just like it didn't stop it in Toledo.

Is it possible to have any sort of distinction between people who advocate wiping someone of the earth and the vast majority of people that don't condone or propose violent actions? Can you do at least extend us that kind of courtesy? Or do you, like the (fortunately) few others who sometimes comment on this site absolutely insist on lumping every single person into the same, stereotypical group?

I'd much rather have an honest debate on this (or any other issue) than lower myself to nonsense labels and generalizations. That just gets us nowhere.

And Marcus, wiping someone off the face of the earth -- essentially advocating "eye for an eye" justice against the KKK -- is simply unnecessary. Protest them for their wretched, vile, obscene history, and never, ever, ever stand idly by when a few errant, misguided folks try to defend them. But when you advocate violence, you become no better than they were, and that gets you nowhere.

Phillip, do not confuse my readiness to defend the Klan's right to peacefully assemble and speak (without fear of violent reprisal from those who disagree with them) with defending their views.

To me, those two things are different. Unlike the intolerant Liberal Left, I do support the expression of opinions that differ from mine.

Heck, I hate hippies as much as I hate the Klan...but I would never try to prevent them from their daily protest against...well, everything.

People should not have the right to spread hate and endorse violence. And spreading hate endorses violence. You need look no further than James Byrd to realize what happens when the 1st Amendment is used to allow the expression of hate. For every hate crime that is prosecuted, there are probably ten that are not. Because some prosecutor doesn't "feel" that it was a hate crime. Just a good old boy having some fun.

You're wrong, Baby Snooks. People should (and do) have the right to spread hate. Because if they didn't, then who would get to determine what constituded "hate" speech? The Government? The Party in Power at the time? You? Me?

Besides, if people weren't allowed to spread hate, Cindy Sheehan wouldn't be allowed to spread her anti-Semetic rhetoric, Randi Rhodes wouldn't be allowed to endorse the assasination of President Bush on her radio program, and Democrats would never again be able to utter the names of Karl Rove or Tom Delay.

And by constituded, I of course meant constituted.

The peaceful part of the march went remarkably well, except for the small handful of idiots who bolted ahead of the parade to yell at the KKK. And the Klan basically spoke to nobody since the Austin PD wouldnt allow anyone within 100 yards of them