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So this means that Rick Perry, the Texas legislature, the Heritage Alliance, the Texas Marriage Alliance, etc., are all supporting the advancement of the political goals of the KKK. Interesting.

How cheap (though not a surprise to me) that a Democratic weblog such as this would link groups supporting Proposition 2 to the KKK. To tip the scale, shouldn't we look at how MoveOn.org, the Democrat Party and Communist Party USA (see for yourself at www.cpusa.org) are somehow connected?

The KKK supports the passage of Proposition 2. The people and groups I mentioned support that goal as well. It's as simple as that.

I, for one, would rather be aligned with a group "fight[ing] for peace, equality, democracy and socialism" (see for yourself at cpusa.org) than the KKK.

I'm confused. How is stating a quote about the KKK having a demonstration "against legalized homosexual marriage" implying anything other than the KKK's support for Proposition 2?

Just because a hate group supports a proposition doesn't mean anyone else who supports the same proposition is aligned with that group. After all, David Duke is one of the people endorsing the message and activism of Cindy Sheehan (primarily because of the anti-Semitic statements that Sheehan has made). Does that mean that anti-war activists stand with David Duke? Obviously not. When did common sense and liberalism go their seperate ways? Perhaps in the 1960s?

Trey, when did your common sense leave? All liberals dont believe the KKK and Rick Perry supporting the same amendment means they agree on hate. But when you have a group such as the Klan on your side, it isnt pretty. I spent a large chunk of my life in North Carolina and the KKK is not something one should even so much as look to be aligned with if you have any common sense. They dont stand for any "family values" other than the value of hate, racism, and murder.

Your being intentionally misleading, KTM. Your opening paragraph insinuates that someone other than the KKK group invited and then scheduled the KKK group to come to Austin.

Could it be possible that the KKK came on their own accord (and via their own internal "scheduler")? Nah, 'cause then your attempts to tie conservative Christians who's religious beliefs are oppossed to same sex marriage with the race-hating Neo-Nazis begins to fall apart.

Don't bring the KKK to Austin? So, you advocate the suppression of free speech just because you don't agree with it? Maybe you and some of your liberal UT buddies could "go-Toledo" and start some rioting, looting, burning, and assaults on police officers and medical personnel to stop the free-and-protected expressions of speech that you disagree with.

I might hate the KKK, but I hate those who would step on their constituional rights because they dislike or disagree with them more.

John:
"KKK on your side?" What are you implying? Keep in mind that your party's eldest member of the U.S. Senate, Robert "Grand Kleagle" Byrd, was once an active member of the KKK. Sure, Byrd has expressed regret for his past membership in the organization, but he has been known to badger the character of minority conservative nominees who have come before the U.S. Senate, as well as being known to drop the "n-bomb" on Sunday morning television shows.
Like I've said time and again, you libs crack me up!

Sorry I dont live in West Virginia. Didnt vote for the guy and dont support him. You neo-cons are down right heeeelarious.

Whether or not someone brought the KKK here or they brought themselves is irrelevent. The fact is, it's a really stupid move on the KKK's part to hold a rally here in Austin.

Also, they say their speech isn't going to be inflammatory, bullshit! Anyone with half a brain knows they'll be spouting off hate-filled vitriol, like they always do.

However, their right to speech ends when they start advocating the death and assaults of a certain group of people... and certainly you won't be able to rely on the cops, of all peoples, to hold up that standard... so the community, if pushed far enough, will react.

Proposition 2 is driven by hate and the KKK is driven by hate. It makes sense to me.

Eric said "However, their right to speech ends when they start advocating the death and assaults of a certain group of people".

Is that so, Eric? If that's illegal, why isn't Pat Robertson on trial?

It shouldn't surprise anyone that the KKK supports what is essentially a bigoted, hate-driven proposition.

Maybe other supporters of this proposition will reflect on what they might have in common with intolerant rednecks... but probably not.

i sure do hate niggers and faggots and jews. and women. and terrorists. me and w. we're the same, see? i reckon you better get on the bandwagon or get shot! patriotism all the way! did i mention that i hate poor people, too? damn freeloaders. i'm only happy when i'm busy raping poorniggerfaggotjewwomanterrorists. got it? yeah.

I am a young latina and it sickens me that the KKK would be allowed to spread their words of death, violence, and hate. If I get a chance to throw rocks or something at them I will. Furthermore, hate groups should be banned by the US Gov't, I believe in the first amendment but I don't believe in some guy saying I wanna kill, rape, or mame ethnicities. I think "Slick" Rick Perry will not be re-elected in '06 because of this idiotic move to allow the KKK to speak in, of all places, Austin. And to all of the White Knights of the KKK (who are poor excuses for men, I might add), when will you get it through your tiny heads that HATE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN FAMILY VALUE!!! Finally why hate Jewish people when Jesus himself was a jew. Idiots!!

I am a young latina and it sickens me that the KKK would be allowed to spread their words of death, violence, and hate. If I get a chance to throw rocks or something at them I will. Furthermore, hate groups should be banned by the US Gov't, I believe in the first amendment but I don't believe in some guy saying I wanna kill, rape, or mame ethnicities. I think "Slick" Rick Perry will not be re-elected in '06 because of this idiotic move to allow the KKK to speak in, of all places, Austin. And to all of the White Knights of the KKK (who are poor excuses for men, I might add), when will you get it through your tiny heads that HATE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN FAMILY VALUE!!! Finally why hate Jewish people when Jesus himself was a jew. Idiots!!

I think that the KKK will bring some fresh air to Austin. I would much rather listen to them talk than the Katrina refuges talking about how the world owes them something for being poor their whole lives until now. As for the rich Austinites that must feel guilty for having to much money and donate to these so-called VICTIMS, why don't ya'll let these VICTIMS stay in YOUR personal homes and see if you have anything valuable left in the next morning. If you MUST donate to something, try starting a white college fund!!!!!

The KKK belongs in a polital office somewhere in Washington. Don't let these guys come to Austin and start tormenting underpriviledged citizens. (Unless they are of the black race) I will personaly protest November 5th and literly drag my nigger friend down there with me. All this over a bunch of sword swallowers who want to get married in Texas. I guess I'll have to write an article titled, "Good Ole Boy's vs Cotton Picker's and Fudge Packers in Austin,Tx." How dare they come to Austin and actually stand up for white people. I'm sure if it were the black panthers people would probably throw their wives at these gentlemen to get them to stay in Austin. We welcome drug dealers, thieves, rapest, and convicts from New Orleans to even go to school with our children, but a white supremacy group might send the wrong message. There is nothing racist with a Black Entertainment Channel, but a White Entertainment channel is racist. The Negro College Fund is not racist, but the White College Fund is racist. All white people are born rich so I guess we don't need a college fund. Wetbacks from Mexico have better opportunities than born citizens. Black + Poor = endless college funds, opportunities, and help from government.
Mexican + Poor = endless college funds, opportunities, and help from government.
White + Poor = More poverty, no college funds, and absolute minimium help from government. Affirmative action is desperately needed for white people since WE are now the minorities. These facts indicate that the members of the Klu Klux Klan are not OUR problem entirely. WE are OUR problem. We should nutralize the weaker whites (Which seem to be located primarly in Austin, Tx) and strengthen the strong that actaully stand up for themselves. (Like me)

These UltraRight assholes are only gonna make every thing worse. I mean the world sees some Klansmen supporting this proposition and it will get less votes. Whoever wants it legalized will have their wish denied since the klan is supporting it because their support for it shows that every one who supports it is an ignorant uneducated redneck cracker who makes a bad name for white people everywhere.

I think the klan is a bunch of hypocrites for supporting this since where the majority of them form inside a state penetiary, sodomy and anal rape against homosexual inmates is a common practice for white supremacist gangs. Some of these gangs include the Confederate Knights of America and the Aryan Brotherhood which are both KKK allies and have the same ideology as the Klan.

I also really don't care about this bill since one day in the future, the right litigious liberal lawyer will reverse it if it is in fact passed. We all know the media is in favor of gay marriage as well so it will be passed somehow one day anyway. I am in no way a homosexual or gay rights supporter, I just do not believe that the fight to stop gay rights will be valid for much longer. I just think that anyone who does want this bill passed should prevent the klan from supporting it so that their wish can be accomplished. Otherwise, it will not be passed and the rest of the anti-gay crowd of the state of texas will not have their best wishes not passed.

I am gay, and I support the opposition of Prop. 2. However, I also almost fully agree with Robert. We are providing undue and unneeded assistance to "minority" groups. The KKK may be a bunch of inbred redneck bastards who, for lack of anyone lower than themselves to attack, go after the poor, the needy, etc. However, they have noticed - and it seems to have escaped the rest of you somehow - that there is a very serious problem in our government of providing huge opportunities and financial assistance to anyone who is NOT white. This cannot be allowed to continue. However, I do think it's stupid to have them in Austin showing support for this proposition. On the other hand, go right ahead, cuz it is likely to help us queer white fags get our way. hahaha.
Oh, and that would include the queer white fags, black fags, latino, etc etc. And we're ALL kinds of interacially mixing things up. That's how we like it.

the KKK shouldnt be allowed to rally up a obvious riot where many will suffer and some may die. i am for gay marriage although i am not a homosexual or homophobic. There beliefs date way back to our four fathers and the only reputation i am aware of is one of fear hate violence and rasicim. i will attend the rally not for support but out of spite.

Nobody "brought" the Klan here. All you have to do is apply for a permit. I do not support the klan nor do I support prop. 2, but I will say that they DO have a right to their free speech. Take that away from them and you take it away from all of us. Just do yourselves and all of us a favor and don't get all worked up into a violent little hissy-fit. Thats all your big brother will need to come in with guns a-blazin'... convinced that you little children just can't survive if not under his watchful eye. You're all being used, you see. Worked into a frenzy and brought to a boil. Problem-reaction-solution. Fight the real enemy.

I am Hispanic and I'm gay here in Austin, Tx. I don't approve much of the Fudge Packing and Sword Swallowing comments made by Robert, but I can agree with him about whites not getting any help for college. My partner is white and he has applied for grants for two years now and there is absolutely no government help for him. I enrolled for a grant and I was approved quickly. We actually went to the college and I recieved help immediately, but they gave him a real hard time because he is white. It is unfair that I am enrolled in college and recieving a great education while he has to suffer because of the color of his skin. Now who's predujice? If the kkk was coming to Austin to protest that, my partner and I would be the first to put on a hood to support them, but their not, so we are not.

See http://austin.indymedia.org for information on 3 planned counter-demos to the Klan rally.

Probably the No Nonsense In November event is the best one to go to. Meet at Auditorium Shores at 1:00 pm on Nov. 5

WOW...with all the hate posted on this board, it's no surprise that prop.2 even made it to the ballot...

It's quite evident this is a hate driven proposition just as laws banning interracial marriage were hate driven....

there are a lot of people voting for this whom sadly will regret it's existence (if passed) when it affects their own children and loved ones...

With the high rates of divorce, domestic violence, child abandondment, single family household, siblings with only one parent in common (I.E. a man with five kids by five different women or a woman dealing with four baby dadies), one has to wonder if the people who support this proposition are living some surreal life because this traditional family they keep harping about appears to have come out of some childs fairy tale book rather than from the realities of everyday life....

Many of todays societal issues and problems are a direct result of the failure of this so called traditional marriage of man and woman....

GIVE ME A BREAK...

I am white and I recieved a lot of grants for my education. I guess some of you just haven't quite realized how lucky you are to be white. Obviously a lot of the ideas put forth by Robert concerning poverty and how bad it is for whites really demonstrates a lack of knowledge concerning the lower class in America. Even coming from a lower class family I still recognize the numerous benefits I received because of the color of my skin. My siblings did not have these same benefits, primarily because they did not recognize the importance of how you act and speak around others. We live in a country dominated by white males (yes I am male as well) and if you even think that just because some black or brown person gets a bit of scholarship money they are running the place you have some serious misconceptions about how power operates. Is there a black or brown president? Will there be? Not likely for quite some time, a Bachelors from some public university regardless of the school's "ranking" is fairly meaningless. Another amazing thing is how communism is equated to the KKK. What basis is this upon? Some further misconceptions based on the three totalitarian states that call themselves communist, ie USSR, China, North Korea. Obviously the USSR is defunct but the idea remains. No one really knows if communism can work effectively, basically because Political Science cannot predict and there are no examples, so quit using blatent ideology as an argument. If the doesn't make sense then I will explain, you cannot prove a point by using your own opinion. To prove a point one requires factual evidence. Excuse the tirade and I doubt anyone will read this, but if you are going to argue you must take the first step and think.

Isn't this space provided so that we can post comments on the article ('KKK to Support Prop 2 in Austin') NOT other people's posts?

Everyone is entitled to free speech and has the right to assemble peacefully. I doubt the KKK is going to reek havoc on their way to Austin. The trouble will start when other people show up to protest the KKK. Those people should save it for another day.

The Edith Lagos Brigade's (ELB) namesake was a leading member of the Peruvian Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path)(Maoist). March of 1982, Lagos led a raid on the Ayacucho prison freeing 360 prisoners, many of which were her revolutionary comrades. The following September Lagos was captured by the Peruvian military, at the age of 19, and raped and tortured unto her death.

ELB is dedicated to Marxism/Leninism/Maoism following closely the advanced political line promoted by the Maoist International Movement (MIM)(www.etext.org/Politics/MIM). ELB subscribes to international communism supporting people's wars and stuggles for liberation of oppressed nations -- both internal and external to imperialist countries. Moreover, ELB stands in opposition to: capitalism, imperialism, colonialism, militarism, jingoism, xenophobia, fascism, racism, patriarchy, homophobia, and polize oppression.

ELB's founding members are former prisoners of the united $nakes of amerikkka. As such, ELB has determined the segment of u.$. society possessing the most revolutionary potential is the prisoner population. It is ELB's underlying mission to politicize and mobilize the u.$. prisoner population through education, information, and assistance.

Though ELB does not care a wit whether the church or the state sanctions the convention of marriage to any group of persyns, ELB is diametrically oppossed to the kkk's reactionary settler nation chauvanism.

Look for ELB to be present counter-demonstrating against the backward kluckers with revolutionary newspapers primarily addressing the incipient xenophobic fascism promoted by the so-called minuteman militia.

Yours for a classless society, I am

En lucha,
bc7

1) It's unconstitutional to deny anybody the right to a voice on the public stage (or Austin's City Hall Plaza). Giving racists and homophobes the same rights to free speech sucks but there it is. It helps to picture Anita Bryant drooling in her orange juice somewhere.

2) Starkenburg: Your rights to free speech have been hereby suspended due to recent Windbag violations and the lame defense of same. If your gonna use the bandwidth, electricity, and carpal tendons to join the grownups, then at least bring something to the table.

To Angelica/Tina Bermudez/Flores (identical posts under different names): You obviously have no idea what freedom means. You can't help being young, but forget being a latina long enough to learn about the political breakthroughs of the country you're living in. Freedom of speech is one of them. Banning groups for their opinions is worthy only of countries like Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, and various banana-republic dictatorships that might come to mind.

To the members of the KKK - thank you for helping me dicide how to vote for Prop 2. I am Christian and very conservative. I am hesitant to think that society would recognize two people of the same gender as married. Because of this and because of my faith, I intended to vote for Prop 2.....however, gay people exist, homosexuality is not going anywhere and opposing this prosposition is not going to do anything to stop it. Your planned protest is very counterproductive as I have now changed my mind and have decided to vote against it. I refuse to be a part of any issue that you support as a group. Being Christian is about loving people--not judging them. I love God and all His people. God made us all - the Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Jews, Middle Easterners, and Gays. ALL OF US!!! God asks us all to love each other. Please ask yourself if you are really doing that. Homophobia, xenophobia and hatred is really bad for your health! Why don't you get out more--I mean out of the country and travel, God didn't just make the USA. Learn about other cultures and notice how similar we all really are. It might make you a bit less fearful of God's people. By the way, if the majority of people choose to create a government that is by its people and for its people and homosexual marriage is legalized, I will simply chose to not marry someone of my own sex.

KKK knows that Christian Familey Values = hate! that's why they are for them. why cant you see it? Why do you get so angry when it is the truth right in your faces?

there is an obvious connection, that's why it is pointed out to you, not by this blogger, but by the KKK themselves. Read their speaches!

I think everyone on has stated that they disagree with the doctrine of the KKK. So my question is, Why oil the squeaky wheel? Why give attention and focus to a group that should be extinct? I dont believe in denying their presence, but I think if there is no fuel for the fire, they will burn out. The easiet way to continue to fight for a position is to have opposition.
Peace.

When people (mostly white people in America) forget about race, then funds for minorities should be stopped.

However, the truth is this: color does matter. Minorities in America were treated unequally (and enslaved, if you remember) for years, and are still being repressed and treated unequally in many places today. Why not give them a college fund, to say "hey, sorry some of us are jerks. here is some extra help." Plus there are aids out there for the poor of every color (something Robert forgot to mention) such as
UCI, Military Aid, FAFSA, etc.

Anything that is pro white is viewed as racist because a)it opens up old wounds and b)most pro white organizations have been totally closed and cold anyone who is not white. Music channels like BET and "black colleges" welcome people of other races, and do not limit it to only black people.

Also notice that in America there are no highly known organizations that are all Hispanic, Black, Jewish, etc. that have formed into elite groups like the KKK to openly dislike and protest against other races and things that they as one elite race and religion do not agree with.

And Casey: Are you suggesting that everyone in New Orleans is poor and black and would steal your things? Because if you are, I hope you become less ignorant very quickly.

Excuse me?

What is "black people?" What is "white people?" What is "American?" What is "illegal alien?"

We ought to wipe those racist concepts out of our minds. All you artificially polarized liberal and conservative ideologues parading on this forum. We are human and this is earth.

ummm, i am a christian and by me going to take a poo every day i actually read the bible on the throne. so, from what i remember, is that god loves us all. but when we do this, having the kkk people coming into austin to "voice" their opinions- call me crazy- but it is crazy!!!! im not gay- but i do support the gay community because it is the person's choice to be gay- not the govt. we didnt ask to be born or to be a certain color- that is how god made us. when our pastor was talking to us one day, he said that if we all had the same feelings, looks, colors etc etc etc, this would be a pretty boring world cause we wouldnt be individuals!! so for you people that are late getting out of the halloween costumes- leave austin!!!!!!! i feel bad for my kids and the next generation of children because if it is this bad now and getting worse, what is going to happen when they are my age at 28? i have lived in austin all my life. i love austin- but the way the govt is working here, i may not like the city much anymore. who cares if youre gay. who cares if youre black? who cares if youre purple? i dont. that is because i am me and you are you. do not let anyone put you down or shove you down!!! if these so called kkk christians are christians- then they need to take more craps on their thrones and read the bible a little more often. i am a jew/greek. and for the person who commented on the katrina victims- its not just one group of people that suffered, its the whole world. same with rita and the other hurricanes. we suffered to see people suffer. they didnt go out in the ocean saying to the hurricanes- "come here!!! were here and we dont have much- so take what we got so we can be rich in a few days!!" . they didnt ask for the hurricane. that is why they call it mother nature.just like we didnt ask to be born. we were planned and are here for a reason- to be us and not anyone else!!

forgot- when we call ourselves christians- does that mean we have to be like one another and hate? i think what we do in our homes is our business. being a christian is doing what you do in your own home. believing in what you believe in. acting how you want to. no how a law wants you to act. what do you think the congress does on their time off? do they go to church? are they out their looking for swingers? i watch the 20/20 and dateline. i see it. also, being a christian is knowing there is a god and your own family values= doing what you know is best- me raising my girls to love all and use their best judgement. if they want to be gay- let them be. as long as they are being respected and they are respectful not only to themselves, but to public= meaning not making a fool of themselves. and to always come to me and their dad for advice and guidance- not the govt.

Okay let's all stop day-dreaming about what we wish this was and face the hard and honest facts. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! So they say that the KKK want to hold a rally for "prop 2". And the press calls it "A day of tolorence"??? Are you kidding me? I am a firm beleiver in freedom of speech and all of that. But does anyone really think that this is for the benifits of the people or the KKK? This just came at a good time when all of the minorities came from southern states. ARE YOU FUC*ING KIDDING ME?!?! The only reason they are doing this is because they don't want the African-Americans (or any other race) that are currently residing in Texas (because of a disaster) to stay. Im sure they feel as if they can pull this off that alot of people will be scared and move away. If they feel like this is for a good cause let them say what they want to say. Go right ahead and more power to them. But I know better, and this is not going to change my pride on who I am. There is not a person in this world who owns me. Slaver ended decades ago.

But let me ask you this. If they wanted to do this in say...New York, the Bronx; do you think they would get away with it? Or better yet do you think that would go through with it? I don't think so. For people who are so brave and beleive they are standing up for a good cause, why do they have to hide behind a white sheet all the time? Why not show your face? Why be afaird of what you beleive in? And most of all; if the Black Panters wanted to hold a rally, do you think they would hind behind any sheets? Do you think the government would even allow such a thing? I dont think so. So let's just cut the crap and see it for what it is. This is never going to end. This is going to be an ongoing process. But it will not take a toll on me. I will not let anyone destroy who I am. A Proud Black Women. I love my roots. I will never be afraid and hind behind anything because of who I am. I know the KKK can not say the same. Enough said.

beautiful Saturday afternoon-and they closed the trail for them.....

YIKES! What is wrong with you , people! How many years have we lived in 'the mans' shadow that we can't think for ourselves! Please never forget that the same reason these 'so called' "hate groups" can demonstrate in the city of Austin means the rest of us still can! Those of you who don't support the Klan, use your heads! They have no power over me, or you! This is a defunct political group trying to gain support! The more 'air time' we give them the better. It's a sad state of affairs when the 'government' tries to use our own CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS! against us by vilifying them to 'crazy status'. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Crazy KKK people demonstrating in your town has NO effect on you unless you allow it to!

...and futhermore, all of you people that consider yourselves to be truly free...where the F**K were you when it was time to vote for the people in control of our destiny? If you wanna piss your pants and blame others for your mistake, apply for the permits and do it on your own time. We all have to live with mistakes but at least back yours up in the polls.

I went to the rally and held a sign that said "I was born a white male, but that is not what makes me special." I hope that sign was like salt for their wounds; for it must be truly insidious for them to know that I am German decadent with blue eyes and blond eyes who thinks they are idiots.

First off, people who support Proposition 2 should seriously look deep in themselves and ask: "Why do I feel gays shouldn't be allowed to marry?" If you can't think of a damn good reason that has valid and sound premises, then you should reevaluate your stance. If the ‘Bible’ is your only reason why you feel it is necessary to discriminate against other people, then you just might need to reread the entire thing. There are plenty of other sins in the ‘Bible’ that Christians don’t persecute as vigorously, so that in its self seems to reek of hypocrisy and bigotry.

Why should there be a compromise when your side doesn't have a good reason?
Why should gays be on a lower tier when it comes to 'martial status?'
Why should you even CARE - it doesn't affect you in the slightest way?/.
Why should we value 'tradition' over 'progress?'
Why should you try to impose your Biblically-inspired morality upon others?
Why should we support the notion that legislated discrimination is acceptable?
Why should we send the message that 'we don't like different people?'

The Biblical objection to homosexuality is hypocritical, because those who condemn it do not condemn just as vigorously other prohibited behaviors such as wearing clothing made of two kinds of material (Lev. 19: 19), trimming or shaving sideburns (Lev. 19: 27), getting tattoos (Lev. 19: 28), and charging interest (Deut. 23: 19-20). People who condemn homosexuality do so not because the Bible tells them to, but, ultimately, because they want to. People who condemn others should first examine the morality of their own judgments.

So many questions, yet no legitimate answers.

Long live love!

Make sure everyone votes NO to Proposition 2 – tell your friends to tell their friends!

As usual, Austin is out of touch. It doesnt matter if the Nazis came out of support of Prop 2-it will pass tomorrow. California's amendment "clarifying" that no homosexual marriage is allowed will pass. Massachusetts will get the 150,000 votes from its citizens to remove homosexual marriage as a right will be accomplished by 11/23/05 and the Massachusetts voters will undo homosexual marriage in 2008. The only thing left to my queer brothers and sisters will be a bunch of nelles crying and the usual federal court appeals, all of which the liberals will lose. Move to Canada or someplace that appreciates your knowledge of show tunes. This Texas Democrat has early voted for Prop 2.The majority of Texas will do so also.

Well Im glad that the KKK got a chance to speak their mind. Thats why when the city would not allow my beautiful black people and people of color group to speak their minds they slapped a big fat lawsuit on their ass. Fu*k the bullsh*t im all about the money too!!!! Like I said more power to them. Cause in the end watch who gets the last laugh. I rest assure it wont be the KKK.

Let's just all vote in favor of Proposition 2. Gay people just have bad spirits and we should all pray for them.

"I am a firm beleiver in freedom of speech and all of that. But does anyone really think that this is for the benifits of the people or the KKK?"
I believe that statement makes you in opposition of free speech, not for it. You sound just like communist russia making sure that only the opinions that you agree with get out to the public. It doesnt matter if it benefits anybody, they still have the right to speak it.

"The only reason they are doing this is because they don't want the African-Americans (or any other race) that are currently residing in Texas (because of a disaster) to stay."
Is your name Kanye? Ignorant people like you, whatever your race, are what makes racism prevalent in our society. Did you ever stop to think that maybe racism can go both ways? Or that blaming white people for all of your problems is just as racist as anything the KKK believes?

"People who condemn homosexuality do so not because the Bible tells them to, but, ultimately, because they want to. People who condemn others should first examine the morality of their own judgments.

So many questions, yet no legitimate answers."

Dude, im not even a christian, and i know that you're wrong. Any simple research into the subject will show that you are. Those verses are all from the old testament, and most of the laws from back then were abolished when Jesus came for one reason or another. Most of them had to do with cleanliness, aka "Dont get tattoos, because they can get infected and you can die." But the laws dont apply to us because we live in a more sanitary world. If you want to know their argument, try looking it up, rather than making stupid statements like "The Biblical objection to homosexuality is hypocritical"
try http://www.contenderministries.org/articles/christianliving/homosexuality.php
or
http://www.bible.com/answers/ahomosex.html
or
http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/homosexual.htm

That took me 2 minutes to search on google, now why dont you try it, instead of stating opinions as facts.

Hi! My name is Esmeralda! I am a Christian and I am not in favor of condemning people for what they believe. There are some things that I don't agree with, yes, but that gives me no right to condemn others. Instead I choose to pray for those who are lost or confused or whatever it is that they are. As far as the KKK is concerned, I do not agree with christians supporting them. That gives us a bad name, and makes others think that Christians are all about hate and racism. KKK acting as Christians is a bad thing! The bible says that the devil can appear as an angel of light, & i'm not saying that they're the devil, but the devil can use something or someone to appear as something good when in reality it isn't. Well, It's Nov. 9th, and gay marriage has already been banned in Texas. So, what else is there to say??????????

Jameson , I would like to set a few things straight. ""I am a firm beleiver in freedom of speech and all of that. But does anyone really think that this is for the benifits of the people or the KKK?""
"I believe that statement makes you in opposition of free speech, not for it. You sound just like communist russia making sure that only the opinions that you agree with get out to the public. It doesnt matter if it benefits anybody, they still have the right to speak it."
First of all if you would have read my statements throughly then you would see that I could care less what the KKK does. Because I know that it is not going to change me as a person. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. But just like i said in previous statements quote " if the Black Panters wanted to hold a rally, do you think they would hind behind any sheets? Do you think the government would even allow such a thing? " And as we have all seen the APD would not even allow protesters to speak their minds. And you say WE as a NATION have freedom of speech? Cut the sh*t and wake up. Im not Kanye. I am me. But I can tell you this. If you beleive that im "blaming white people for all of your problems" than your sadly miss informed. Yes your culture dragged us here in boats and shackled us down to eachother and gave no food and salt water. Took us from our families, homes, love and compassion. Yes your culture slaved us for decades and beat, raped and killed us by the thousand. Yes your race did do all of that. But look where we are now. We are still standing. And like i said if you beleive that from one minute we blame you for that, we dont... but what is happening now. It can be stopped. Reguardless of the fact, its a hate group. They do not do anything good but hate. Yes they can have their freedom of speech, go right ahead, but to teach others to hate, its just like terrorism.

Hello, my name is Mary Ann Thompson-Frenk. Some of you may have seen the Joe C. Thompson Conference Center on the UT campus in honor of my grandfather. Most people know him as the founder of 7-11. But he was also one of the main leaders in the fight to integrate the State Fair. My uncle told me the story of how the KKK would burn crosses in their yard, and how my grandfather would go to the front of the house trying to get the 30+ men to leave. I can't begin to imagine what it must have been like to look out the window and see those robes and hoods standing there. My grandmother would tell her boys that it was time to "read" and gather all five of them and their little sister who was dying of an ear infection into the back of the house because she didn't want them to see the Klan. Yet, she knew she had to be able to get them out of there fast if something happened. All the while she held her breath, praying for her husband, praying that he wouldn't be killed.
My family's business began as an ice business and then became Oak Farms where grandad employed a lot of people from the african american community. One of these men begged him not to stand up for desegregation because it would put grandad's family in danger. But grandad said it was the right thing to do.

My father, John Philp Thompson, Sr., would grow up Roman Catholic and would run down Armstrong as fast as he could to get to Holy Trinity as a child because grownups would throw rocks at him for being catholic. When he got older and joined grandad in the ice business, he would have to carry huge blocks of ice with tongs up every flight of stairs in the downtown buildings. You see, they didn't want him to use the elevator because catholics weren't allowed to do that.

He and my mother tried to adopt a pair of african american twins in 1976, they visited them, bought clothes for them, decorated the room and named them. But then five days before the adoption was finalized they were denied because they were white. They were told "you're not the right race." It was in 1977 that I was adopted from Mexico into this incredible family. My family hosted a party celebrating my arrival when I was five days old and half the guests left when I presented because my parents were "contaminating the white race."

I grew up going to one of the best schools in the state, Hockaday. Naturally i dated white guys because they were who I knew. But hispanics would spit on me or accost them for not "dating their own kind."

Years later, Dad was head of the State Fair of Texas, and a group asked him permission to have a Gay Pride Parade. He was torn because his religion didn't support a homosexual lifestyle. People began leaving horrible messages on our answerin machine, "You son of a ***** you are going to hell in the name of Jesus Christ!" But I was asigned to do a report on my grandparent's lives, and interviewed one of my uncles, (only three brothers survived to adulthood), where he told me about the Klan. My uncle had been told by his mother not to share the story until the world has changed because she said, "i will not have my children know fear for that's how you begin to hate." I read the report to my Dad and he began to cry, he called it God's answer to his prayers. He said, "To deny these people the right to be who they are and to march peacefully among us would be the same as slapping my own father in the face."

So you see people, the equation is the same. If you have ever experienced bigotry of any kind: racism against minorities or racisim against whites or religious inolerance or homophobia, you know exactly what I'm talking about. It is the same equation. Standing up to it is the real family value. My grandad was republican, my father was a democrat, (he passed away about 3 years ago). Fighting ignorance is bipartisan. Its conservative in that it protects our integrity as a society. It is liberal in that it embraces differences as potential strengths. Our country is the grand experiment, the grand mixing of cultures...but allowing shortsided hatred to brew, like Propostion 2 is going to kill the great spirit of freedom we all take for granted every day.

It saddens me that Proposition 2 passed. It is nothing more than a census of the bigotry in our state. People are too short sideded to realize that when you pass a law that attacks the rights of one demographic, you've set forth a presedent for having your own taken away.

This happened in Nazi Germany where the homosexuals were they first group to be tagged with purple triangles and moved off to the concentration camps. We don't learn this in our history books. Germany even has memorial to the victims. My husband is a distant relative of Anne Frank's, and so we have read a lot about the holocaust. The thing to remember is what one person wrote. Roughly translated it says, "first they came for the homosexuals and I said nothing. Then they came for the sick and infirmed and i said nothing. Then they came for the elderly, and still I said nothing. then they came for my neighbors and my family, and i said nothing. now they are comming up the stairs, and there is no one left to speak for me."

Wake up people. Stop judging others based on their most immature demographic...we could do the same with the straight people of this country. If you want to judge them, judge also Leonardo Davinci, Michaelangelo, Plato, Socretes, judge Gianni Versace, judge curators, teachers, ministers, doctors, etc. Judge them all...and judge the largest most educated demographic willing to adopt crack children or children over the age of two. We don't have a budget to take care of these children..we can't afford to build orphanages, and most straight couples want a perfectly healthy newborn. Everyone who voted for this propostion should be allowed to take in one of these children. So if you hate them, take on one of the responsibilities you would deny them. And don't listen to Mozart, or look at the Rockerfeller Center Tree, or enjoy the Bellagio's gardens, or have your hair done, or hire them to make your wedding special. Some of my gay friends have been in monogamous relaionships for 25 to 35 years. That's a marriage.

So look at them, and look at the history of hate and were it has a proven track record of leading. The real family value is in embracing people based on their integrity, contributions to society, and the love they offer others...not rejecting them for they way they make love in their privacy of their homes.

So now we've lost the election, and it will take years to repeal it. But my generation will have its day in power, and for now our responsibility will be to consciously shape the culture we want to create....we must take it upon ourselves to set the tone for society's future. If we do this, then repealing laws that institutionalize bigotry of any kind will be natural.

Stay Inspired!

Mary Ann

Response to ingnorant Cydney:

What in the hell is wrong with you people? We don't owe black people a thing!!!!!!!!!! Yes, it was very unfortunate that their OWN people sold them to us like 100 years ago and we brought them over here on ships, but I don't feel sorry for them. Are they handicaped? We treat them like they are by feeling sorry for them and giving them money (Welfare) because their arms and legs seem broke. Are they retarded? We treat them like they are by giving them extra points on the SAT exam when whites recieve the same exact education in public schools. By giving them extra points on their SAT exam it indicates that whites are indeed more intelligent. If we are all equal, why give them extra points. You may view these statements as being racist because of what society has taught you, but they are undisputed FACTS. I'll prove this point and you may etempt to prove me wrong. Watch your favorite TV program and pay close attention to the commercials inbetween. Notice that they always make white people appear to look confused, not intelligent, out of control, or just retarded while non-whites seem more in control. Why? Because if it were reversed, non-whites would try and sue them for being racist. How can I proof this? Whites rarley get offended when blacks make fun of them. If white people got offended, they would stop making us look stupid and then no one could make fun of anyone in this country.

Back to New Orleans Cydney. Yes, 90% would rob you if you invited them into your home and if you don't believe me why don't you invite one to stay at your house for a week. Their neandrothol behavior after the hurricane can only be explained through their genetic defect that seems to plague a need for instant gradification. Perhaps that is why Africa is an entire continent that has never been at peace throughout history. I wonder why. Ehhmmmmm........

I gotta say, guys. I am personally shocked at the level of hotheadedness that is sitting on this webpage. Yeah, I voted for prop.2. But it's not because I believe that gays violate the sanctity of marriage. Its not because i think theyre dirty. It wasnt because i think im protecting anyone. Its not because i hate gay people. Yep. The KKK is a hate group. But theyre still people, and still citezens, and they applied to peaceably talk about what they believe should come of an election. Yes, they are a hate group. But theyre still fugging human beings.

Yep. Gay people exist. They do things we are raised to believe are "dirty". They rug munch, and sword swallow, and fudgepack. But theyre still human beings, capable of feelings, and those feelings include hate.

Consider perhaps that white people arent the only ones in the world who are "Haters". Go into a black comedy club and see if there are many affections to whites. Go into a gay bar, and see how people react to positive commentary about straight people. Go into a white kids dorm room and see how happy he is about Ali Bashmir or Sasquisha Green down the hall getting their checks in the mail from uncle sam.

The infection isnt limited to back country hicks, or white people, or anti-catholics, or nazis, or any other one group of people. War and crime is a historically documented fact of EVERYONES past, and these are bred of hate. Its those people who believe otherwise who need the wake up call.