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September 25, 2005Houston Chron Goes No on Amendment 2By Karl-Thomas MusselmanColor me suprised. The Houston Chronicle in an op-ed piece today endorses a NO vote on Proposition 2 (the discriminatory texas marriange amendment).
Now, I know that Houston has some city council races going on and I'll leave that to Greg and Charles to say how that will affect the Yes or No votes, but I can say that it will be one of the highest turnout urban counties simply because Municipal elections draw out more voters than drawn by constitutional ones. Austin has some environmental bonds on the ballot on November 8th which should help our turnout as well. Anyone else have some various proposals up for a vote that will alter turnout? Posted by Karl-Thomas Musselman at September 25, 2005 05:16 PM | TrackBackComments
Dallas has a "less strong" mayor proposal on the ballot. It has not generated anywhere near the interest that the "strong" mayor ballot proposal did in May. Posted by: WhoMe? at September 25, 2005 06:49 PMJason, e-mail me on the side about this issue. Now is not the time to discuss it in public forum. Not yet. Posted by: Jason Stanford at September 25, 2005 06:57 PMI do know that it could have an impact on the quarter million common law marriages in the state of Texas which would really suck. Posted by: Karl-T at September 25, 2005 07:03 PMAnd Whome? don't you mean that would be a "less strong, Strong Mayor" proposal? I'm assuming if passed it would still strengthen the office, but not by as much as the last attempt. Posted by: Karl-T at September 25, 2005 07:04 PMKarl, You are correct - everyone is calling it the "Less Strong" mayor and from context, it is understood to be less strong than the former proposal as opposed to less strong than the current system. "It's a Dallas thing" (lol) WhoMe?, e-mail me about this topic, the campaign is aware of it. Conversations don't need to be here at this point about it Posted by: WhoMe? at September 25, 2005 10:47 PMNot at all a political statement,but just a common sense view of this topic.I wouldn't go into a car dealership and buy a car then try to set new laws so that I dont have to purchase insurance.So maybe persons seeking these types of relationships should consider that there are laws they have to abide by and limitations they will face.We all face limitations.I dont particularly like the seatbelt law.It should be my choice,but the state of Tx researched it and decided that we as a state are safer in vehicles if we wear our seatbelts.The death rate in Tx went down tremendously when it was made a law.If I dont obey that law there are penalties.If we were to pick apart every law that was made there would be no order .Order benefits us all.We have to take the good and sometimes the not so good with it.The bottom line is if you choose a certain lifestyle then you choose the circumstances that go along with it.GB,T Howard Posted by: T. Howard at September 25, 2005 11:51 PMThat'd be great if people were 'choosing this certain lifestyle'. But since they aren't, well, your case flops. Posted by: Karl-T at September 26, 2005 12:11 AMMr. Howard, I dont think any of my gay friends "chose" to be gay any more than anyone else "chose" to be straight. Your argument actually is an indictment of Prop 2 and anti-gay marriage initiatives. The Republicans pushed a "Defense of Marriage Act" KNOWING that it was unconstitutional (violated equal protection provisions), so they try to "fix" it ex post facto with a constitutional amendment. It is the advocates of this bill that are pushing an ex post facto fix to their agenda, not gays who are just trying to live their lives. I suppose all those blacks in the Jim Crow Deep South should have just upped and moved North (many did) and it was their own fault for trying to make a life in their home State that didn't value their equality? As a 4th generation Texan, Im not going to abandon my home-state to a bunch of bigots. Today, they come after the gays, but tommorrow it will be you and me. Enough is enough. Posted by: WhoMe? at September 26, 2005 12:15 AM"The bottom line is if you choose a certain lifestyle then you choose the circumstances that go along with it." Did you choose to be an ignorant person? Or is it as innate as your heterosexuality? The two at times appear to be an innate combination. No one chooses their sexual orientation. And people should not be forced to repress it in order to make people like you happy. I don't believe in moral relativism but by the same token morality is relative at times as you have once again proven. I think people who support discrimination based on prejudice are far more immoral than the people they claim are immoral on the basis of their "lifestyle." And hopefully enough Texans will agree with me in November to finally silence the real immorality at work in this "amendment" which is prejudice and the justification of discrimination which always accompanies prejudice. Posted by: Baby Snooks at September 26, 2005 01:50 AMSeveral Dallas suburbs, mine included (Lancaster), have bond or other issues on the ballot. I know Grand Prairie has something; dunno about any suburbs bigger than that off the top of my head. Posted by: SocraticGadfly at September 28, 2005 12:47 AMHow do you think those bond issues would sway the vote? yes or no? Or will they even be the issue driving turnout? Posted by: Karl-T at September 28, 2005 01:02 AMThere is a purpose for Proposition 2 that many ignorant liberals cannot open up their eyes to. This amendment, if passed, will protect what marriage has always been and will always be. Marriage was created by God and intended to be between a man and a woman. That is why he created Adam and Eve. What is next from homosexuals wanting to get "married?" A man marrying his pet cat? Homosexuality is a choice and a lifestyle that people often choose to live, sadly, because of childhood abuse. Children grow up confused about the horrible environment they lived in and then hollywood and the media hide their insecurities by saying its ok to be gay. Posted by: Nikki at October 7, 2005 07:36 PMI have to laugh at these posts these days for their absurdity. Question: did adam and eve ever get married... Posted by: Karl-T at October 7, 2005 09:27 PMPost a comment
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