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Trickle Down Torture


by: Libby Shaw

Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 08:13 PM CDT


(Really solid post w/ lots of videos. - promoted by Phillip Martin)

First, from the Texas wing of The Party of Torture and Tax Cuts.

Senator John Cornyn, prominent member of the Party of Torture and willing player in the Bush Administration's
Journey to Depravity must think Democrats are quaking in their boots because, according to The Huffington Post he attempted to bully and blackmail them on the torture issue.  

Cornyn apparently prefers to sweep the recent revelations of torture under the rug.  That or pin the blame on Democrats who served on the Foreign Intelligence Committee at the time, and/or stick it to low level military and CIA officers at the bottom of the torture chain of command.

If Democrats insist on probing the Bush administration's program of detainee torture, they'd better be careful, a senior Senate Republican said Tuesday, because they might find blood on their own hands as well.

"To sit quietly and to let this happen and then to come back later and say people ought to be prosecuted criminally, not just here in the United States but perhaps internationally, to me is inconsistent, to say the least," said Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas).

I'd be very careful if I were Big John.
 

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Recently revealed reports indicate that, during the Bush Administration, torture was sanctioned at the very top of the Bush Administration and passed on down the chain of command to every military prison that housed suspected terrorists.

The Torture Reports.

Cornyn's Torture Party has a serious problem with some of its atrocious  practices.

We actually stooped to using the same methods as the Chinese Communists did on American prisoners during the Korean War.

In SERE training, U.S. troops are briefly exposed, in a highly controlled setting, to abusive interrogation techniques used by enemies that refuse to follow the Geneva Conventions. The techniques are based on tactics used by Chinese Communists against American soldiers during the Korean War for the purpose of eliciting false confessions for propaganda purposes.

In 2002, lawyers within the Bush Administration attempted to bring legal reasoning and concerns for moral clarity to the discussions on torture.

Phillip Zelikow who served in the State Dept. under Secretary of State Rice wrote the following:

The underlying absurdity of the administration's position can be summarized this way. Once you get to a substantive compliance analysis for "cruel, inhuman, and degrading" you get the position that the substantive standard is the same as it is in analogous U.S. constitutional law. So the OLC must argue, in effect, that the methods and the conditions of confinement in the CIA program could constitutionally be inflicted on American citizens in a county jail.  

In other words, Americans in any town of this country could constitutionally be hung from the ceiling naked, sleep deprived, water-boarded, and all the rest -- if the alleged national security justification was compelling. I did not believe our federal courts could reasonably be expected to agree with such a reading of the Constitution.

The Bush Administration destroyed copies of Zelikow's and other dissenting legal memos.

The Bush Administration ginned up the rationale for torture in a desperate attempt to find non-existent links between Al-Qaida and Iraq.

Ron Suskind confirms this in his interview with Rachel Maddow last night.

There is indeed plenty of shame and blood on a lot of lawmakers' hands but most of it stains those in the Bush Administration who allowed and willingly embraced the practice of torture. In the end, none of this has anything to do with politics or sharply divided partisan opinions.  Torture is torture. A criminal act is a criminal act.  

After all, we are a nation of laws.  No one is above the law.

In a series of high-level meetings in 2002, without a single dissent from cabinet members or lawmakers, the United States for the first time officially embraced the brutal methods of interrogation it had always condemned.

This extraordinary consensus was possible, an examination by The New York Times shows, largely because no one involved - not the top two C.I.A. officials who were pushing the program, not the senior aides to President George W. Bush, not the leaders of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees - investigated the gruesome origins of the techniques they were approving with little debate.

Blatant ignorance, cowboy diplomacy and enthusiasm for immoral and ineffective methods.

The top officials he briefed did not learn that waterboarding had been prosecuted by the United States in war-crimes trials after World War II and was a well-documented favorite of despotic governments since the Spanish Inquisition; one waterboard used under Pol Pot was even on display at the genocide museum in Cambodia.

They did not know that some veteran trainers from the SERE program itself had warned in internal memorandums that, morality aside, the methods were ineffective. Nor were most of the officials aware that the former military psychologist who played a central role in persuading C.I.A. officials to use the harsh methods had never conducted a real interrogation, or that the Justice Department lawyer most responsible for declaring the methods legal had idiosyncratic ideas that even the Bush Justice Department would later renounce.

The process was "a perfect storm of ignorance and enthusiasm," a former C.I.A. official said.

The blame game:

Today, asked how it happened, Bush administration officials are finger-pointing. Some blame the C.I.A., while some former agency officials blame the Justice Department or the White House.

Blurring the moral distinction between terrorists and Americans who hunted them:

This account is based on interviews with more than two dozen current and former senior officials of the C.I.A., White House, Justice Department and Congress. Nearly all, citing the possibility of future investigations, shared their recollections of the internal discussions of a classified program only on condition of anonymity.

Leaked to the news media months after they were first used, the C.I.A.'s interrogation methods would darken the country's reputation, blur the moral distinction between terrorists and the Americans who hunted them, bring broad condemnation from Western allies and become a ready-made defense for governments accused of torture. The response has only intensified since Justice Department legal memos released last week showed that two prisoners were waterboarded 266 times and that C.I.A. interrogators were ordered to waterboard one of the captives despite their belief that he had no more information to divulge.

The ugly history of the Bush Administrations rationale for use of torture can be found in the New York Times article cited above and here:  In Adopting Harsh Tactics, No Inquiry Into Their Past Use.

Dick Cheney, John Cornyn and other supporters of torture need to do some serious homework.   They might learn that we executed Japanese who water boarded American prisoners during World War II.

BEGALA: We -- our country executed Japanese soldiers who water- boarded American POWs. We executed them for the same crime that we are now committing ourselves. How do you defend that?

A highly decorated military official calls for investigations into torture.

FOX News anchor, Shep Smith and Judith Miller, formerly of the New York Times, have big problems with torture.

Brigadier General, Janis Karpinski, demoted and former commanding officer in charge of the Abu Ghraib prison asks Dick Cheney.

Where were you five years ago?

To be continued because there is more...

I'd stop threatening Democrats on this issue if I were Big John.  

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Sean Hannity Agrees to be Waterboarded (0.00 / 0)

Charles Grodin,"Have you ever been waterboarded"? Sean says, "No, but Ollie North has and I've talked to him about it."


What a cheap stunt (0.00 / 0)
As if Hannity would be water boarded with the same severity as a suspected terrorist. Someone will throw a towel over his face, dump a few ounces of water on it and Hannity will squawk "See I've been waterboarded and its not torture at all."  

How low can Hannity & Co stoop?  Torture is nothing but a gimmicky joke to them.  


Red State (0.00 / 0)
This is the problem. Read all of it. It's very twisted, to say the least. Thank you, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, et al. for promoting this perversion.

Thanks to pandagon for twittering this last night.


Thanks Elsbeth (0.00 / 0)
I am going to follow you and pandagon on Twitter. :)  

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