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Can Texas Secede from the Union? No.


by: Karl-Thomas Musselman

Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 06:17 PM CDT


Austin American Statesman reporter Ken Herman asked Gov. Rick Perry on tape if a date had been set yet for Texas to secede from the Union, per his comments from yesterday.

"There's a lot of different scenarios. We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."

Well, regardless of how Rick Perry feels, and the fact that we fought a war back in the 1800's that kind of settled the issue, and the fact that a 5-3 Supreme Court decision kind of settled the issue, well, you get the point.

AAS: Between the Texas Constitution, the U.S. Constitution and the Joint Resolution Annexing Texas to the United States of 1845, there is no explicit right for the state to return to its days as a Republic, said Sanford Levinson, a professor at the School of Law at University of Texas-Austin.

"We actually fought a war over this issue, and there is no possibility whatsoever that the United States or any court would recognize a "right" to secede," Levinson wrote in an e-mail.

But if you are curious, here is the vote tally of the people of Texas in the public referendum for being Annexed into the United States in 1845. And below, is part of the Ordinance of Annexation passed July 4th, 1845 by the Texas Convention. Emphasis mine.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That Congress doth consent that the territory properly included within and rightfully belonging to the Republic of Texas, may be erected into a new State to be called the State of Texas, with a republican form of government adopted by the people of said Republic, by deputies in convention assembled, with the consent of the existing Government in order that the same may by admitted as one of the States of this Union.

2nd. And be it further resolved, That the foregoing consent of Congress is given upon the following conditions, to wit: First, said state to be formed, subject to the adjustment by this government of all questions of boundary that may arise with other government, --and the Constitution thereof, with the proper evidence of its adoption by the people of said Republic of Texas, shall be transmitted to the President of the United States, to be laid before Congress for its final action on, or before the first day of January, one thousand eight hundred and forty-six. Second, said state when admitted into the Union, after ceding to the United States all public edifices, fortifications, barracks, ports and harbors, navy and navy yards, docks, magazines and armaments, and all other means pertaining to the public defense, belonging to the said Republic of Texas, shall retain funds, debts, taxes and dues of every kind which may belong to, or be due and owing to the said Republic; and shall also retain all the vacant and unappropriated lands lying within its limits, to be applied to the payment of the debts and liabilities of said Republic of Texas, and the residue of said lands, after discharging said debts and liabilities, to be disposed of as said State may direct; but in no event are said debts and liabilities to become a charge upon the Government of the United States. Third -- New States of convenient size not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas and having sufficient population, may, hereafter by the consent of said State, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the Federal Constitution; and such states as may be formed out of the territory lying south of thirty-six degrees thirty minutes north latitude, commonly known as the Missouri Compromise Line, shall be admitted into the Union, with or without slavery, as the people of each State, asking admission shall desire; and in such State or States as shall be formed out of said territory, north of said Missouri compromise Line, slavery, or involuntary servitude (except for crime) shall be prohibited."

Yes, Texas could be drawn and quartered to become 5 total states within the Union. But Texas as a state, nor any of those subdivided states may secede from the Union.  

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Options, baby! For (0.00 / 0)
For as completely impractical and unlikely the decision to secede would be, I always liked to tell my northern friends we could back out of this "Union" deal whenever we wanted to!

All in good fun (0.00 / 0)
But Rick Perry doesn't seem to be treating this as "humor." There's the rub.

[ Parent ]
Civil war, anybody (0.00 / 0)
It seems mind-boggling that 144 years after the end of the Civil War we're still talking about secession. But this isn't the first step that Perry and the Texas GOP have taken in this direction.

Remember in 2003 when the Texas Pledge was added to the public school day? "I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one and indivisible."  (Never mind that it is divisible into as many as five states.) At the time, I complained that this was meaningless, akin to promising to take up arms in case of war with North Dakota.

By the way, the only states that have pledges are Texas, Georgia and Arkansas.  Somebody is still fighting the Civil War.  

Last session, the pledge was changed to read "one state, under God", in parallel to the national pledge. More that ever, loyalty to Texas is supposed to replace loyalty to the (indivisible!) United States.

How ridiculous can you get?


Actually . . . (0.00 / 0)
I wonder if Perry is trying to break the record for the shortest war ever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

[ Parent ]
Wouldn't it be intriguing if Rick Perry tried to initiate the 5-state split? (0.00 / 0)
I mean, we can't legally secede, but we can legally do that.

It would certainly make Texas a laughing stock, and it would be weird for my parents and I to live in different states...  And I'm also not entirely sure that it would mean +any Republican Senators...

"Let us tenderly and kindly cherish therefore, the means of knowledge. Let us dare to read, think, speak, and write."  -  John Adams


Yes we can.... (0.00 / 0)
I say Texans can do whatever the hell they want. Even if U.S. law says Texas cannot secede from the Union, the whole point of declaring independence is to free yourself from such laws. Nations never declare independence from within the framework of existing national laws - it only happens in the face of current laws.

Laws are largely just fictional constructs anyway. Real law is derived from the People, so if the People decide to declare independence, their will becomes law!

Remember: Laws written by men exist only in the minds of those who agree to adhere to them. There is nothing spellbinding about putting pen to paper. Writing words on a piece of parchment does not alter the laws of the universe. People are free to change the course of their lives at any time, in violation of any existing law, if they find the courage and the popular support necessary to achieve sufficient recognition among their own people.

All revolutions take place under precisely such a structure: When the will of the People shifts, old laws crumble away and new laws take their place.

Besides, the United States of America has not acted with any real respect for the Law in a long, long time. From domestic surveillance to federal income taxation, the kidnapping of foreign nationals and the operation of secret prisons using government-approved torture methods, the U.S. government has demonstrated quite convincingly that it respects no law other than "might makes right." The United States is not a nation of law; it is a nation of coercive tyrants who want the same thing that all tyrants want: More power, with fewer challenges to its power.

Texas is right to at least consider its options. Is being part of the United States of America an advantage, or a burden? $12 trillion in debt says it's a burden, and while leaving it will be no walk in the park, it might very well be the beginning of the next great free nation in the Western hemisphere. Texas could one day emerge as the first former U.S. state to leads its People to a new era of freedom.

Taken from an article written by: Mike Adams Why Texas will (Eventually) Secede From the Union


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Texas--A Laughing Stock? (1.00 / 1)
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but Texas is already a laughing stock, with huge boosts from Governor Rick and the State Board of Education et al. The guffaws are not limited to liberal media, Blue States and Democrats, alas.
The Independence crowd like to claim that Texas was the only sovereign entity to enter the Union. Actually, that honor goes to Vermont, which was independent and had trouble interesting our government and that of England (Canada) in acquiring it. It entered the Union during March of 1791 an event that was celebrated in---Vermont.

hold your horses (0.00 / 0)
you can say anything you want about perry or the sboe.

you can even give history lessons.

but you can't call Texas a laughing stock.

you should take of your shoe and hit yourself in the face with it for that remark.

Please refer to KT's signature.


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actually (0.00 / 0)
others will call us a laughing stock us whether we like it or not if the likes of Rick Perry and the SBOE in our state are acting like morons.

[ Parent ]
He said "succeed" (5.00 / 1)
No, Texas cannot "succeed" either, you moran, especially not with you as governor.

Afflicting the comfortable via...

Can Texas still split into 5 States? (0.00 / 0)
As for Texas splitting into 5 states, I don't think that would still be an option. Due to the Comprise of 1850 which split off parts of Texas into todays boundries. Some went to form parts of New Mexico, Colorado,Kansas & Oklahoma in order to settle claims by other groups. As part of this settlement Texas got compensation of $10 million.

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