Rick Perry: Secession

Hate Mongering (3.00 / 1)

Mr. Smith, will you please explain to me how you are any different from a Republican?  What I mean by that is this; how is it any different for you to call these protestors unpatriotic and hate mongers, while people such as yourself, went crazy when the Republicans called protestors during the Iraq War unpatriotic and hateful.  I realize that you are only a liberal-political hack, in the same manner as Tom DeLay.  Can you really tell me the things that he said are any different then what many of the Democrats are now saying about people who dare to criticize President Obama and the Democrats' policies?  You, like Tom Delay, only see things as right and wrong, black and white.  Right is your version, and wrong is the other side.  I thought we were voting to get rid of these types of politics when we voted for "change."

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by: TexasReb @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 00:47:35 AM UTC

Democrats' Policies? (1.50 / 2)

Glenn Smith is the same as Tom DeLay?

I have a headache. Too much stupid for one day.

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by: Elsbeth @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 01:16:03 AM UTC

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How am I different from a Republican? (3.00 / 1)

I believe that the USA is bigger than a lame-duck political party. I believe that the future is bright. I believe the President who won the election has worthwhile ideas. I believe we need to spend some money on the infrastructure of our nation, and it would behoove us to use that spending to put Americans back to work here in our nation. I don't believe a person's worth is measured solely by a bank account balance or a credit rating.

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by: BlackSheep1 @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 04:37:57 AM UTC

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Excuse me... (5.00 / 1)

I don't ever remember anti-war protestors talking of secession from the Union or declaring war on our federal government.  I attended many of them and I never had the slightest thought of such acts nor did anyone else around me.    

Did we question whether our Chief Executive, leader of the Executive Branch, perhaps was operating outside the bounds of his constitutional power? Absolutely.  Did we question whether or not going to war in a nation that posed no threat to our national security was actually in our nations best interest?  Sure did.  

The only thing wrong here is that we have ELECTED Republicans who are talking openly of secession and pandering to a base of people who are motivated to take up armed rebellion against our nation.  We have a news media outlet that is actively promoting secession behavior and polling people as to how they want to take their government back---armed revolution suit your fancy?  These actions are unprecedented.    

Say what you want about folks who were against George W. Bush and his policies, but one thing we never thought of doing was making a run on gun shops, openly discuss seceding from the Union, and/or armed revolution against our government.  

Your comparing apples and oranges.

Todd    

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

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by: Todd Hill @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 00:57:41 AM UTC

Reply to Mr. Hill (3.00 / 1)

If you would look at the secessionist in Vermont, you would see they were/are promoting the exact ideas you are now saying never occurred when liberals were holding rallies.  While I cannot speak to the "run on gun shops," they were actively promoting secession from the Union because of the policies of President Bush.  Further, these sorts of solutions are not "unprecedented."  While I will concede that it has not happened in a long while, the history of the United States is chalked full of "rebellious" sentiments.  To quote the Declaration of Independence: "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."  We have a government that no longer holds true to the principles it was founded upon, thus it is the right of the people to form a new government.  Our forefathers did it, and so can we.  Although, I'm sure that most of the people who frequent this site subscribe to the point of view that our forefathers were nothing but slave owning misogynists who didn't want to pay their taxes.  The door is always open for you to leave.  I guess you would have sided with the British...  

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by: TexasReb @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 03:13:34 AM UTC

So... (1.00 / 1)

When are you planning to form this new government and who will its leaders be?

Are you going to form it by force?  

Todd

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

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by: Todd Hill @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 04:23:04 AM UTC

Perry's Treason (0.00 / 0)

A sitting governor of a US state calling for seccession? Isn't that treason?

Maybe we need to carve up Texas and put the seccesionists in a tiny section closest to Louisiana. We'll call it Teabagging Land.

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by: John McClelland @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 15:30:26 PM UTC

Mr. Hill (3.00 / 1)

I am not advocating secession.  What I take offense to is someone such as you, calling people who dare hold the same feelings as our forefathers in the U.S. and here in Texas, crazy and hate mongers for having the audacity to question whether our government is still looking out for our best interests.  Your quote from Governor Richards' is correct, we do need change and it does shake things up.  However, simply because someone does not hold the same view on "change" and what needs to be "shaken up," does not mean they are crazy and hate mongers.  It means that they hold different views.  I thought that was what made America great?  Make no mistake; the U.S. government does not make our country great.  I do not bow to a government, and neither should you.  What makes the U.S. great, are the people who live here, not the people running it.  I thought this was one of the main tenants of liberalism; that the people in power are evil, and the "little guy" was what made America great.

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by: TexasReb @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 15:30:35 PM UTC

To clarify (0.00 / 0)

My quote about change is attributed to Governor Richards. Todd Hill's is Mahatma Gandhi. Corporate power that monopolizes wealth for a few is often "evil." People in power are not necessarily "evil."

You said:

I thought this was one of the main tenants of liberalism; that the people in power are evil, and the "little guy" was what made America great.

If there's evil, there's money at the root of it, no? And the "little guy" is definitely what makes America great.

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by: Elsbeth @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 19:35:09 PM UTC

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Reform or Sedition? (0.00 / 0)

We will see where the line is finally drawn. No doubt the Tea Party "movement" contains a fairly wide range of opinions and outlooks.  As its talk-show leaders express themselves more specifically on a wider range of issues, it will fragment. I suspect that there is a small element that doesn't believe that advocating the violent overthrowing of Constitutional government should be illegal, but they've been around for quite a while  and I assume that Homeland Security continues to track them, as it must. In short, it's hard to reach conclusions on this phenomenom at this point. The loose talk of a few self-promoters shouldn't be taken as representative.  

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by: texun @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 17:12:20 PM UTC

Sam Houston on Rick Perry (0.00 / 0)

As Sam Houston said of the Secession-era equivalent of Rick Perry: "He has all the attributes of a dog except fidelity."

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by: leo @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 17:15:04 PM UTC

OK, But... (3.00 / 1)

Aptly put!  But seeing "Sam Houston" and "Rick Perry" in the same sentence produces cognitive dissonance.

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by: texun @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 21:17:22 PM UTC

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