2008 TX Primary Results: Presidential Primary

sheesh, here we go again! (0.00 / 0)

Apparently, concernedAmerican isn't concerned about doing his/her own thinking, relying on the b.s. from AmericanThinker  -- the site that just today lamented the loss of KSFO's Melanie Morgan...

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by: wudsteen @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 21:45:36 PM CST

Ridiculous (0.00 / 0)

Your comments don't show a whole lot of knowledge about Obama, so it doesn't make me want to read the article.  Sen. Obama had pretty much no contact with his father growing up.  He lived with the stepfather you mentioned for a year or two.  His contact with his paternal family has been minimal, at best and has occurred while he's been a mature adult with his own religious beliefs.  Quite honestly, there's no reason for him to mention these other relatives as they have had little to no influence on his upbringing and spiritual development.

My extended family on both sides are fundamentalist Christians.  I'm an atheist.  There are a lot of factors other than family that go into a person's religious beliefs and I'm quite certain the Senator Obama has a good grasp of his own religious influences.  What is it about him that you don't know but think you should know?  He has described his personal embrace of Christianity in Dreams from My Father, which rang pretty true to me.  

The information is out there if you take the time to look for it.  Just as the information was there about George W. Bush before he became president--you only had to be familiar with his governance of Texas to know that he wasn't bringing anything great to the table.  On the other hand, I like what Obama brings to the table.  I don't like your misinformed innuendo and I've already given you more attention than you deserve.  

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by: morisey @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 21:53:56 PM CST

CAUCUS RESULT for Pct #367 (0.00 / 0)

I just got back.

Pct #367 went 63% for Obama tonight after over 440ish people showed up (forgot that exact number).

FINAL:
30 Del for Obama
17 Del for Clinton

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by: salsal @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 22:03:55 PM CST

CAUCUS RESULT for Pct #367 (0.00 / 0)

Travis County
SW Austin
Circle C

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by: salsal @ Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 00:21:53 AM CST

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Brazos County for Obama (0.00 / 0)

Brazos County
President (D) (100% reporting)
Barack Obama (7822) Hillary Clinton (5853)

http://www.theeagle.com/

There were 114 people at our precinct convention. It split 76 Obama, 38 Clinton. So, he got 9 delegates and she got 5.

There were 11 Republicans standing outside the throng of Democrats who had taken over the atrium of the Ringer Library. It was disorganized and it took an hour and a half to get everyone signed in and to vote, but it was done without any rancor or even crying babies. There were quite a few children in the crowd, mine among them. At one point she asked, "Dad are we participating?" I replied that we were. People of all colors and every age bracket. I spoke to one woman who was voting for the first time in her life. The long wait to check everyone's card and then to vote did not diminish our resolve to find out who won.
Sometimes democracy in action is like a concession stand line at a sold out game.  

Good thing we've still got politics in Texas - finest form of free entertainment ever invented.
Molly Ivins

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by: cactusflinthead @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 22:29:28 PM CST

spreadshee? (0.00 / 0)

why do I get an empty spreadsheet?

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by: mutzyfromcali @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 22:51:13 PM CST

concernedAmerican you are a bigot. Get lost. (nm) (1.00 / 1)

nm

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by: DCCyclone @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 22:52:02 PM CST

Obama wins Precinct #274 (0.00 / 0)

Precinct 274 - North Campus Area

385 total people showed up and signed in, and I bet about 75 or so showed up and then left before signing in. It took almost two hours to sign in and then another hour to do all the counting and math. In the end it came out like this ---

Obama - 37 delegates
Clinton - 14 delegates

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by: matthew_lt @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 23:15:16 PM CST

Pct 60,62,63 (0.00 / 0)

In suburban Pearland, well over a thousand people showed up to caucus. Maybe two thousand, the line went from the elementary school doors down the entire length of school property, then wrapped back around down the street. Each precinct went 100% to Obama. This is TX22 - formerly Delay country- now proud Lampson country. The big winner tonight is the Democratic Party.  

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by: allenlkj @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 23:50:33 PM CST

Good & Bad Precinct Experience (0.00 / 0)

I had a somewhat bad and somewhat not so bad experience at my precinct convention.  My bad experience was that the Clinton supporters showed up very early and took the precinct convention packet.  I got there a little after 7 and prior to 7:15 in order to pick up the precinct packet.  The Clinton supporters refused to hand it over, even though I am currently the precinct chair for my area; I've been the precinct chair since 2006.

According to the Clinton captain in the precinct, there was no name in the precinct and that there was no precinct chair.  She was told this by the Clinton coordinator for the county, Choco Meza.  The Clinton captain lied to my face, because my name was on the packet as the precinct chair.  

I had to fight for about 10 minutes to get the packet back.  I had to call the Bexar County Democratic Party, who in fact told the captain I was the precinct chair and that I should be the one with the packet.  

All in all, these few Clinton leaders as well as some of her supporters were somewhat rude and aggressive and left a very bad impression on me.  There were some other Clinton supporters there who were very nice and argued on my behalf that I should have the packet.

I eventually got the packet and was the convention chair, but it still ticks me off that her supporters acted in this fashion.

This is just one experience though, but it makes me wonder if this behavior came from the top down.

FYI, my precinct had 15 delegates.  Clinton got 8, Obama got 7.

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by: SADem @ Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 00:31:35 AM CST

You've got to be kidding. (1.00 / 1)

As though Hillary asked people to be agressive and rude. Think first please! This is a passionate race to the nomination and some people are not level headed on BOTH sides of the coin.

But remember...it's the same coin.

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by: concernedAmerican @ Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 00:58:07 AM CST

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Senate 13 and Obama/Clinton (0.00 / 0)

Obama won SD 13 by 50,000 and that is also the margin in SD 13.  Obama has 80% caucus also in 13.  

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by: JTK in Houston @ Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:16:13 AM CST

Joe Biden beat Hillary in SD 26 early vote? No way! (0.00 / 0)

Out of 18,619 early votes cast in my senate district, including the entire west side of San Antonio, Clinton got one vote. Just one!?! Biden got 181 votes to Clinton's one vote. Edwards trounced Clinton 1,183 to 1. And even if Obama didn't win Texas as a whole, he beat Clinton in the early vote in SD 26 by a margin of 17,202 to 1. At least Clinton got one more vote than Chris Dodd...

On the other hand, the election day vote was 55,438 for Clinton and 16,766 for Obama.

If Clinton had picked up only 1,062 more of the early votes, that would have given her 62.5%, enough for her to claim three of SD 26's four delegates.

What a magnificent performance by our electronic voting machines.  

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by: MarkCamann @ Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:55:34 AM CST

SD 13. (0.00 / 0)

OOPs.  Typo.  I meant to say that Obama won Harris county by 50,000 votes and won SD 13 by the same margin.  The rest of the county a wash.  Obama is at 80% of precinct delegates in SD 13.  If Rodney Ellis is a superdelegate he better be for Obama!

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by: JTK in Houston @ Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:56:49 AM CST

Super Delegate Question for the BOR Political Purists (2.00 / 1)

Chet Edwards emdorsed Obama 2 weeks ago. Chet's district covers 9 whole counties and 3 partial counties. Clinton won in 11 of those 12 counties, losing only Brazos by just short of 2,000 votes.

Totals for Chet's counties was Hillary 38,648 -- Obama 31,613.

My question is - will this board be in an uproar for Chet to swith to Clinton to follow the will of the people in his district, home county, and the state?

Now that super delegate arguments are no longer abstract for us in TX, I'll be curious how the conversation on supers in general goes on BOR.  

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by: BrettC @ Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:10:32 AM CST

Sure (3.00 / 2)

as soon as Sheila Jackson Lee abandons HRC for Senator Obama.

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by: citizenx @ Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:51:31 AM CST

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I don't disagree if you hold that supers should follow their dist. (0.00 / 0)

I personally think that the supers should vote their conscience as stated in the rules and think the "moral" pressure to follow precinct or statewide results in lockstep is counter to what the rules state and what the intentions of the rules are. If lockstep following of the vote was the intent, that would have been stated in the rules.

After all, we are a representative democracy and our elected leaders are expected to use their judgment; not to vote by home district polls like Ross Perot once proposed.

I'm just wondering if the BOR community will be so vocal in the "vote the way your district voted" argument now that the races have come to TX and various contradictions show themselves.

Personally I think the idea of free agent super delegates is a very bad one that was bound to end in an outcome that would upset one side or another of a close race. However those are the rules.

I totally agree with the political argument and discussion BOR has of how a super's endorsement could help or hurt them in the future based on home state or district results. Those arguments are on point in my opinion.

I find the moral posturing that supers who go against their home dist or state vote are somehow abrogating the "will of the people" off point. Super delegates by design are to show their will, not the "will of the people".  

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by: BrettC @ Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:23:32 AM CST

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Wishful thinking? (0.00 / 0)

I've been watching the morning shows and listening the the rhetoric from the Obama talking heads. There is a major flaw in their argument of electability.

Beyond loyalty to the Clinton name there is a very big underling message from the Texas and the Ohio primaries.

I caucused for Hillary and one thing I heard consistently from suburban white women is that they would consider John McCain over Barack Obama. It's alarming but the issue was not race but preparedness.

If your interested in information to support this look at the Texas head to head contest question in the March 3rd BELO Texas tracking poll, http://www.kvue.com/politics/p...

The poll shows on page 8 that in Texas McCain beats Obama 51% to 42%. In a match-up with Hillary, McCain is ahead 50% to 46% with +/- 3.5% margin of error. Beyond the amazing fact that she's within a statistical tie in Texas in this poll, it reinforces my argument that not every Hillary voter is automatically an Obama voter.

Hillarycrats, women voting for a women president, are going back to issues that matter to them. I'm concerned that if national security becomes a general issue those women fold to McCain.

Furthermore, the elephant in the room that no one wants to touch but is a truth of our society is race. There are some die-hard Democrats I've met nationally in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Texas that will not vote for an African American.

Obama is losing consistently with some exceptions, voters in swing states that are part of any battle ground composite for a democratic victory women and seniors. Will he make up the difference with a new engaged vote? I think he has peaked with that group and it was not enough to overcome the Hillary victories.

If a new engaged voter did not come out in the primary where he out spent the Hillary's campaign 3 to 1 to turnout those voters how will the Obama campaign expect to increase that number in November when fewer resources can be allocated?

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by: frhetoric @ Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:55:05 AM CST

Wishful thinking? I doubt it (0.00 / 0)

In my precinct I spoke with a few Obama supporters who would rather vote for McCain than for Clinton in November. I also spoke with a few Clinton supporters who would sooner vote for McCain than for Obama.

But those were a tiny minority. At my precinct convention I got an enthusiastic round of applause for suggesting that as soon as the nomination is decided, we all need to work on the same side to get the nominee elected in November, whether that nominee is Clinton or Obama. This applause wasn't really for me, however, or for what I said. It's the result of a close contest between two phenomenal candidates, either one of whom would change the course of history, and both of whom share between 90 and 95% of their policy positions.

That's why the campaign rhetoric is revolving around issues of style rather than substance, and we hear a lot about judgement and experience. Either candidate would would bring about a monumental change for the better. And the turnout we saw in the past two weeks proves that both candidates are electable. Either one can beat McCain if all of us work together to make it happen.

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by: MarkCamann @ Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:41:21 AM CST

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Unfortunately it's true (0.00 / 0)

In an ideal situation you would have every Democrat voting for the nominee. If that were true winning Florida would not be a problem.

Florida Registration in '06
http://election.dos.state.fl.u...
Democratic 4,219,531
Republican 3,935,675

Florida Registration in '04
http://election.dos.state.fl.u...
Democratic 4,261,249
Republican 3,892,492

We hold a significant lead in registration but we're always losing. I've managed or worked on 5 campaigns in Florida. Florida emphasizes my point you may be a loyal Democrat and I may be a loyal Democrat but we're in the minority. There are Democrats for example Regan Democrats that vote on the issues.

In a general election you have to have more than a message of change or changing Washington. In '04 we didn't want Bush and we all wanted change but he won the popular vote and the electoral vote, how? He used a very similar strategy that Obam is now using against Hillary increase his numbers by going after non-battleground states to increase turnout to inflate numbers. In my precinct 789 people voted in the Democratic Primary but only 181 caucused. Obama won by 25 votes but the caucus didn't represent that result.

A caucus is great for Obama for example in Kansas where the party has a ground presence since '06 and MoveOn has a network of support to put the two together for caucusing. True a caucus shows a campaign's ability to organize and that's important but it doesn't necessarily represent the sentiment of precinct.

It's never mattered what system a state was using because its rare to have two campaigns so well financed. Is Mark Peen an idiot for under estimating the need to compete in every state Barack was in, absolutely. But it doesn't change the polling information and registration facts.  
 

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by: frhetoric @ Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:56:19 PM CST

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Any word on Val Verde County? (0.00 / 0)

The Sec'y of State is showing only 1 of 14 boxes in. These are the last boxes left in the state. Hmm . . . I thought I felt Lyndon's ghost looking over my shoulder last night when I signed in for Clinton. ;-)

Ted Melina Raab - Austin, TX

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by: tmelinaraab @ Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:45:34 PM CST