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Clinton Up 49-41 in Texas Poll; Obama May Win More Delegates


by: Karl-Thomas Musselman

Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 05:05 AM CST


First, a hat-tip to R.G. Ratcliffe at the Houston Chronicle who has the entire data set posted from which this post draws. Read the original post here. The poll was commissioned by the Texas Credit Union League, conducted Feb 11-13, with a MOE of +/- 4.9%.

DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY (Latest IVR Poll 1/31)

Hillary Clinton: 49 (48)
Barack Obama: 41 (38)
Undecided: 8 (10)

REPUBLICAN PRIMARY

John McCain: 45 (43)
Mike Huckabee: 41 (33)
Undecided: 5 (13)

And now for the interesting sub-groups and my analysis. It's here that we find something very surprising!

Even though Clinton leads by 8 points in polling statewide, based upon the following sub-samples, Obama would still come out with a delegate lead.

And that's just among delegates allocated by the primary, not our additional caucus process which Obama has proven deft at winning delegates through.

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Clinton also enjoys majority support in the South (57%) and Western (61%) regions of the state, and edges ahead in the Eastern part of the state 46% to 40%. Obama is beating Clinton 53% to 32% in the Central region and leads 49% to 44% in the Houston area. The Dallas Fort-Worth region is tied within margin of error (Clinton 42%, Obama 41%).

This section is the most critical when talking about the allocation of national delegates. (For more background as to why, read our two part guide.) While the regions are not defined by Senate District, I'm going to do my best to match them and show what these margins might result in delegate allocation wise. Please refer to this district map and this delegate spreadsheet if you want to follow along.

Region (net delegate gain)

South (57% Clinton, +1 net Clinton)

In order for Clinton to break any 4 delegate border districts, she needs over 62.5% of the vote. Absent that, all three (or four) of these districts are a wash. Right now, all she'd pick up is the odd 3rd delegate in SD-27 (Lucio).

West (61% Clinton, +3 net Clinton)

Again, Clinton faces the same 62.5% issue but the districts are sparse out here. SD-31 only has 2 delegates which will split no matter what. SD-19 has 4 and won't break unless she gets higher and might have even been included in the 'southern' sample because of its anchor San Antonio which was worse for Clinton. That leaves El Paso and the Panhandle with the three 3 delegate districts which only require 51% to get the odd delegate. Racking up the vote in this region doesn't benefit Clinton much once she passes a simple majority, and in this poll, it's her best region.

Eastern (46% Clinton-40% Obama, +/- 0 net)

Now, while this isn't showing anyone over 50%, I believe the delegate match works based upon the split of the viable vote, I'll have to check. Regardless, it doesn't make a lick of difference in this case for East Texas. SD's 1, 2, 3, & 4 are ALL 4 delegate districts that require the 62.5% supermajority to break the tied allocation. Parts of SD-5 could be in this pool, but guess what- it's an even 4 delegate district, too. Hillary sending Bill Clinton through this region needs to ramp up her vote totals by about 15 points before she squeezes any juice out of east Texas. If not, all for nothing.

Central (53% Obama - 32% Clinton, +6 Obama)

The margins here are critical. Looking at these numbers, there is about 15% undecided floating around. If they split evenly along existing proportions, that would put Obama right on the 62.5% line to break 4 delegate districts into 3-1 advantages. Anchored by SD-14 in Austin, Obama can conservatively expect a 5-3 split if he gets over 56.25% and I have no doubt this poll undersamples Obama's college turnout which is highly concentrated here. He'll be able to pick up the odd 3rd delegates in SD-22 & SD-24 with even a simple majority lead. Williamson County north of Austin anchors SD-5 so it's possible Obama could force that 3-1, but I'll leave it tied for now. SD-18 goes east and south so I'm going to leave that 4 delegate district in the split category. SD-25 runs down to San Antonio and has 6 delegates, and the threshold is only 58.3% to break it to 4-2. Keep in mind that an effective college operation at Texas State could help ensure this breaks 4-2 for Obama.

Houston (49% Obama - 44% Clinton, +2 Obama)

Again, if the undecided vote is in the same proportion, Obama would take a 52% simply majority. This is hard to allocate simply because the Houston area is so diverse and the general number is certainly highly weighted by local variances. Four of the six districts here have odd amounts. Based on this, Obama would easily win 4-3 in SD-13 (Ellis who supports Obama) which is African American. He'd need 64% to make this 5-2 and with the support of the district's Senator actively working for him, likely will get there by election day. SD 17 has 5 delegates so as long as Obama leads, he wins the odd delegate. SD's 11 & 15 are both even 4 delegate districts so they are a wash either way if it's close. SD-6 (Gallegos) is a 3 delegate district but Hispanic, so we'll assume this is Clinton's support in the Houston sample and break it 2-1 for her. SD-7 (Patrick) is Anglo so it's 2-1 Obama if he has 1 more vote than Clinton.

Dallas/Ft. Worth (42% Clinton - 41% Obama, +2 Obama )

There are 26 delegates at stake here. Problem is, 18 of them are in even numbered districts, three of which are going to split 2-2. The one that is 6 delegates is SD-23 (West who supports Obama) which is the African American district. Obama needs only 58% to make that a 4-2 split and given the size of the metro area, I'm reasonably confident in asserting that portion of this area's sample includes enough support from SD-23 to do that. That leaves SD-10 (Brimer) and SD-9 (Harris) to whomever wins the simple majority. Obama could do well in SD-9 which include the mid-cities and home to lots of independents but I don't feel comfortable assigning either of these. So lets just assume they break 2-1 for either candidate an cancel each other out for now.

Total (49% Clinton - 41% Obama, +6 net Obama delegates!)

Whoa is right. Now for the rest of the numbers.

Clinton also enjoys a slight edge in the image ratings. Three-quarters (75%) of Democratic primary voters have a favorable opinion of her (48% strongly favorable), and 23% unfavorable; while 71% have a favorable image of Obama (41% strongly favorable), and 24% unfavorable.

It's good to see the vast majority of the primary electorate views both candidates so approvingly.

Those who plan on voting early are tilting towards Obama (46% to 42%) while Clinton leads 51% to 40% among voters who are waiting until Election Day to cast their vote.

This is really curious to me as I've never seen this type of split polled before. If I were to choose leading one group over the other, I'd take the early vote as once those votes are cast, they can't change. That's good for Obama, given the fact that it was the early vote in California and other Super Tuesday states that really killed his margins. About 40% of Texas' vote will likely be cast early if past patterns hold (though some urban metros like Austin have had as high as 60% vast early in recent elections). The challenge is then to get early voters to find their precinct polling locations on Election Day at 7:15 PM if they are going to come back to caucus.

Clinton's coalition is comprised of Hispanics, women, and strong Democrats, while Obama's support is coming primarily from African Americans, independents, men, and higher income households.

None of this is particularly surprising as we've seen this pattern develop in exit polling from many states in the last 2 weeks. There are far more detailed breakouts in RG's post so check them out.  

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Cautiously Excited (0.00 / 0)
On one hand, from a sample of 400, the margins of error in regionalization of this poll would be extreme, nearly 6-8% and the extrapolations while reasonable should take this into account.

The fact remains Barack is down 8 points in Texas.  This means Texans who support Barack Must get to work and get to work immediately.  Every Texas who has not yet stepped up should join the campaign today as the national volunteers are loading up our state with Precinct Captains to work their own areas through phonebanking tools, build relationships with neighbors to get votes in the primary and caucus, and work to win on caucus night as well.

There is no reason why Barack can't win the Popular Vote and Delegate Math in Texas. The fact is this is the "Easy" state compared to Ohio, which has such a huge buffer for Clinton.  With the way our Senate districts are drawn, and the way the delegate math breaks, a little hard work by every Texan for Obama will ensure we at least tie if not beat in Delegates on March 4th.  

Lets be clear about this, if that happens, the pressure for Clinton to drop out will be unbearable as the party will view a loss in Texas, the Latino Stronghold, the place she went first after losing in Virginia, would end her campaign.

So lets help make that happen!  Go here and sign up!  Don't be shy, it's the single most important thing anyone can do this election season as a Texan for Obama:  http://my.barackobama.com/page...


Agree on the margin of error (3.00 / 1)
Splitting 400 into East, West, South and Central gives 100 in each, for a 10 point margin of error, and at the Houston and DFW level it's got to be 12-15%. To only say that DFW at 42%-41% is within the MoE is a little deceptive as only the Central region numbers are outside the MoE.

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Losing the Vote But Winning the Delegates (3.00 / 2)
There are some bad scenarios out there.  One of them is Barack winning the delegate count but losing the popular vote.  What a mess that would be.  If Hillary wins the voters in Texas, let's hope she wins the delegates -- and vice-versa.  Same logic for superdelegates as well.

And come someone get Howard Dean to do something where we don't disenfranchise Michigan and Florida.  I don't care if you sit the delegates based on how they already voted or do some kind of do-over, but I can't believe the Democratic Party wants to take away votes from people.  


[ Parent ]
only delegates matter (0.00 / 0)
Obama won the delegate count on Feb 5th and lost the popular vote.

This isn't a popularity contest. If she's incapable of getting a delegate lead in the count, then the supers will flock to Obama.



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Sounds like George Bush (0.00 / 0)
People don't matter - only electoral votes do. - Bush in 2000.

People don't matter - only delegates do.  kubla000 in 2008.

I think both Obama and Hillary would be disappointed with this attitude.


[ Parent ]
Except (0.00 / 0)
That HRC has now said that the 22 states that Obama has won don't matter, b/c they're not big states. President Bill Clinton also has said the caucuses don't matter b/c only upper-income people vote in them, and they don't really count.

HRC wouldn't be disappointed with that attitude. She embraces it.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
Obama Buying Votes (0.00 / 0)
Maybe he doesn't mind superdelegates after all...

According to the Center for Responsive Politics:

Obama's political action committee has doled out more than $694,000 to superdelegates since 2005, the study found, and of the 81 who had announced their support for Obama, 34 had received donations totaling $228,000.

Clinton's political action committee has distributed about $195,000 to superdelegates, and only 13 of the 109 who had announced for her have received money, totaling about $95,000.  


[ Parent ]
What a ridiculous charge (0.00 / 0)


Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

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I second that (0.00 / 0)
What is this implying?  Hillary is innocent and thus should be our nominee b/c she only doled out $195k instead of $694k to superdelegates?  That's silly.  Under that math, Obama should have far more superdelegates but he actually trails at this point.  I hope, in the end, the superdelegates respect the will of the pledged delegates, who should actually decide who the nominee is.  If the supers tilt the nomination to one side, that will be very very bad.

[ Parent ]
Superdelegates only matter if... (0.00 / 0)
...it stays real close.  If Hillary takes Ohio and Texas, my guess is that she will have the momentum for the rest of the states.  Although I am a Hillary supporter, I am not really betting on that happening.  If Obama comes out of March 4 with a win in either, he will likely have a big lead in votes and delegates and it will be over.

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Importance of Becoming a Delegate (3.00 / 1)
In 2004 the delegates at the Boston Democratic Convention voted for these rules.  When you vote for national delegates at the state convention in Austin, ask them the tough questions.  We can't be upset with the roles we wrote and voted on in 2004.

In addition, our party procedures are done by rule via the state party and the time, place, and manner of elections is directed legislatively under the pink dome in Austin.  

Nobody (except Glen Maxey) thought our primary would matter in 2008.  This practical experience give us another reason to retool the rules and adjust to correct these problems, but in the mean time, this is a race to win delegates.  I am not going to speak for any campaign, but I am sure both would be elated to win the popular vote AND the delegates, but the most important thing for August is to have the delegates.  That's the real victory in every state.

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Popular Vote Matters (0.00 / 0)
Of course, it's important to win the delegates, but popular vote matters as well.  First, it will be influential for superdelegates.  Second, it will help legitmize the win and cause less disunity in the party.

Finally, I'd note that with the margins of error in the poll overall, vastly moreso when trying to extrapolate to senate districts, and the fact that the post assumes the region percentages apply across all the districts in the region, there's really no way to know how close these districts are to breaking one way or another.  So, don't relax and go all out wherever you're located!


[ Parent ]
Found the crosstabs (3.00 / 1)
Here

Only 42 sampled in the central region, so 15% MoE, plus 16% Undecided gives a Keith number of 31


[ Parent ]
Lot of Uncertainty (0.00 / 0)
And that's for the central region as a whole.  The individual senate districts will have an even greater uncertainty factor.

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Early votes and the caucus (3.00 / 1)
I've worked my precinct since 1984.  One thing I've noticed (in my precinct) and this is true, no matter what the ballot contains, since Texas has instituted the early voting for everyone, our caucus gets fewer and fewer people.  It use to be we'd average about twenty people.  Now, except for 2004, when we had 16, we've been averaging about 7 and 3 are from our house.

It use to be we'd have a lot of people show up in the last hour to vote AND caucus.  Now, not so much.  Recently, we pulled our records and we re-checked the last four caucus attendees, in our precinct and found out of four times we had a caucus, only a total of three early voters came to the polls for the caucus.  


Texas (0.00 / 0)
Obama is focused on the race next week. When he comes to Texas his numbers will continue to rise quickly.

THIS STUNNING GRAPHIC TREND IS WHY CLINTON has dropped every other state to try and shore up Texas:
http://www.pollster.com/08-TX-...


And you'll notice... (3.00 / 1)
That the only poll numbers that go back in time are the IVR polls, commissioned by your faithful team here at BOR. :)

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

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AWESOME (0.00 / 0)
Great breakdown, KT!

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

Obama up 48 - 42 (0.00 / 0)
American Research Group has a Texas poll putting Obama up by 6.  Specifics are here.

4-delegate districts cut both ways (0.00 / 0)
The threshold for getting 3 delegates in a 4-delegate district is 62.5%. In close races, that favors the underdog, who can split the delegates evenly with only 37.6%. But in a blowout it favors the winner, who can get 3/4 of the delegates with just 62.6% of the vote.

If Clinton wins statewide by under 10, then South and West Texas will be neutralized, exactly as in KT's analysis. But if she wins by 15-20 statewide, she could start flipping those small districts and rack up a lot of delegates.  2 polls have her ahead statewide by less than 10, but Rasmussen has her up 16, which has me worried.


50-50 (0.00 / 0)
I had predicted this before the Virginia results - now I think even the primary will break slightly for Obama.  I expect the convention will be about 2-1 Obama.


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Need to Reallocate Undecideds (0.00 / 0)
I just realized an error in your analysis.  You use the percentage that support Clinton in each of the different regions to calculate delegate allocations. In effect, what this does is give all undecides to Obama.  If you were to allocate undecideds according to the same ratios that each candidate won in each district, then I calculate that Clinton would win 63.3% in the South, 67.8 in the Western, 53.5 in the Eastern, 37.6 in the Central, 47.3 in Houston, and 50.6 in DFW.  These increased percentages would add a number of delegates to Clinton's total.  for instance, instead of 2-2 splits in the 4 delegate southern Senate Districts, Clinton would win 3-1.

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