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Rick Noriega and Bob Perry


by: Jose Blasquez

Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 07:46 PM CDT


By now many of you all have probably read the Fort Worth Star-Telegram article that talks about State Representative and Democratic Candidate for US Senate Rick Noriega's campaign donations from Bob "Swift Boat" Perry.  For those that have not, it's right here.  Mr. Perry's contributions to Republican candidates and his great contributions to smearing Senator John Kerry's candidacy are well documented at this blog and every other blog in the world that supported John Kerry for President in 2004.

Noriega has taken $7,000 from Perry since 2006.  Team Noriega says its because Perry admired his work in Houston with the Katrina refugees.  Which I don't, for a second, believe is a lie.  Noriega has also consistently voted against Perry's tort deform interests in the Legislature.

Having said all that, this is still the man who spent millions of dollars in 2004 against John Kerry and helped invent the word "swiftboating."  In 2006 Perry, alongside such Republican faithful as Tom Craddick and Texans for Lawsuit Reform, tried to stem the Democratic tide by giving prolifically to the opponents of Joe Heflin, Hubert Vo, Joe Farias, Juan Garcia, Donna Howard, Valinda Bolton and Ellen Cohen.

So what does this all mean for you?  Should Representative Noriega have said, "Thanks, but no thanks" to those contributions?  Does this influence your future decision on who should be the Democratic Nominee that knocks off John Cornyn? Does anyone believe that Perry's admiration of Noriega's work in Houston will in any way, shape or form keep Perry from Swiftboating Noriega in a general election match-up against Cornyn?  Should we, as Democrats, take a principled stand on those members of our party who take money from Bob Perry?

Ed. note -- answer these questions in our new BOR poll, on the right.

Sean-Paul Kelley over at the Agonist has more, including the $20k Melissa Noriega, Rick's wife and Houston City Councilwoman, has also taken from Swift Boat Bob.

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Cindy Lou Who (0.00 / 0)
When Bob Perry saw Rick working with Katrina refugees his heart did not grow three times larger that day. Bob Perry is a snake whose motives are suspect and rightly always will be.

The damage that Bob Perry has done to this country is unforgiveable and the money should be returned. This is a troubling issue that Noriega should get rid of like a hot potato.


Fair Questions (0.00 / 0)
I remember when I first learned about those contributions, I was rather miffed. I guess, like you, I take it at his word that recent donations were b/c of his work with Katrina, and that prior donations don't matter since Noriega voted against tort reform...

Fair questions for the campaign, though. I hope we have a good discussion out of this.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


Craddick (4.00 / 2)
Interesting that you should mention Tom Craddick in this piece.

A cursory review of Texas Ethics Commission filings shows that the Good Government PAC, funded almost exclusively by Mikal Watts' law firm, gave $100K to HillCo Partners between 2004 and 2005. And whom, do you ask, did HillCo contribute to? Why how about Speaker Tom Craddick, Governor Rick  Perry and many other Republicans.

In fact, during this period Watts' PAC contributed more to HillCo than Bob Perry did!

An additional look at those filings shows that in the last 3 years, Watts' PAC gave $40K directly to GOP Lt. Governor David Dewhurst, $15K to AG Greg Abbott, $5K to Republican State Rep. Phil King, and $5K in 2004 to State Representative Talmadge Heflin, who did his best to steal the election from Hubert Vo, and now has the distinction of being the Executive Director of the Texas Republican Party.

Our brief review found over $175K of contributions to Republican causes from Mikal Watts' PAC since 2004.

Now ask yourself, which is worse: a Democratic state representative who takes a modest sum from an unsavory character like Bob Perry, though it seems to have zero impact on his voting record, or someone who makes six-figures worth of contributions to a host of Texas Republican elected officials, assisting their continued reign over this state?

While we don't like either, the answer is a no-brainer folks.


Your post is diversionary (0.00 / 0)
and doesn't address Jose's question. Neither candidate has a good record when it comes to outgoing PAC money.


[ Parent ]
Let's be real... (5.00 / 1)
Where do you think today's story in Star-Telegram came from? Think it just dropped out of the sky? It came from the Watts campaign.

Noriega's acceptance of a few grand from Bob Perry is unfortunate, but hasn't changed his voting record one bit. And what relation does Noriega have to "outgoing PAC money"? To our knowledge, Noriega doesn't have a PAC that's funded Republicans -- Mikal Watts does. And the Star-Telegram article conveniently omitted this fact. (We're guessing the Watts folks may have forgotten to mention it.)

The post is hardly diversionary, rather it provides full context for the situation. If we're going to go through folks' records, let's look at all of them.


[ Parent ]
It doesn't matter where the story came from (0.00 / 0)
and shooting the messenger at this point would make little difference. This primary is going to have an awful lot of leaks from both sides and getting to the bottom of who leaked the story rather than addressing the issue is the wrong tact to take.

The outgoing PAC money I was referring to was the Centerpoint PAC that Noriega willfully gave to. Bringing up PAC donations to change the subject is disingenuous when the subject is about Bob Perry. If you don't think the donations are that big of a deal that's fine, I do.

This issue isn't going to go away and a reasoned answer to it would be of some help.


[ Parent ]
It's interesting that every bad article (0.00 / 0)
about Noriega gets blamed on Watts.

I've known some reporters who actually go out and research stories and write them all by themselves.

But you know what, if they are coming from Watts' campaign folks, well I guess they are good at what they do.

I also find it interesting that Noriega has James Aldrete, the guy who wrote Rick's now infamous Texas Assn of Broadcasters speech comparing us to right wing radio, and who supposedly is no longer writing speeches for Rick, as on the record spokesman.  Sounds like he wrote the speech, then got a promotion.

Way to go Rick.


[ Parent ]
To speak truth... (0.00 / 0)
James has always been his spokesman, handling his press, etc. Your "sounds like" is inaccurate.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

[ Parent ]
Aldrete did not write the speech you are referring to (0.00 / 0)
Someone else wrote it and he is no longer with the campaign.

[ Parent ]
Be Careful (0.00 / 0)
James has already be caught once lying to Texas Observer.  Be careful denying something on their behalf when they've already admitted to it.

By the way James has been trying to get someone to give that speech for sometime.  Rick just happened to be the right client in front of the right audience


[ Parent ]
The source of the article... (0.00 / 0)
Maybe both campaigns are dropping all of these things in the paper. Maybe not. It's more likely that we're just inching closer to the campaign season, so these stories are popping up. Perry's contributions to Noriega have been discussed off and on here at BOR for months...

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

[ Parent ]
SPOT ON, HOUTOPIA! (0.00 / 0)
I cant help but think of an Ann Richards quip; on commenting why we progressives are so tough on each other, she was heard to  say, "We Democrats eat our young".  Oh so true!  Maybe we'd win more elections if we didn't demand total purity and perfection.  Isn't that what it's all about?  If you don't win....you can't play.  I, for one am tired of losing.

[ Parent ]
They're All Whores (0.00 / 0)
Swift Boat Bob? How about Swift Boat Rick.
I'll throw my ballot in the toilet, where I always put it.

Really? (4.33 / 3)
I got to ask -- if you never vote, why visit this site?

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

[ Parent ]
While I don't have an issue with this. (0.00 / 0)
The poll is a pretty biased poll because of the qualifier stating "given that he voted against Perry's issues?"  It's a leading statement.  Just ask whether it is an issue or not.

"I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually."- James A. Baldwin

I guess... (0.00 / 0)
The poll reflects the tone of the post --- which uses qualifier before asking the questions. In other words -- because the options (yes or no) followed that qualifier in the post ("given that he voted against Perry's issues"), that's how the question is framed.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

[ Parent ]
I also have no issue with it, but the poll isn't entirely correct. (0.00 / 0)
There was only one "tort reform" issue this session that came up for vote, which was HB 1602, a law designed to limit where certain types of legal claims could be brought.

Everyone, including Noriega, voted for HB 1602, so no one should criticize the vote, but this was the one "tort reform" vote this past session.  This was a vote with Perry's issues but not one that most people would criticize.

Also, Bob Perry is a big dominionist (that's basically someone who disbelieves in the separation of church and state to put it diplomatically).

Like many legislators, Noriega voted for HB 1287 (requiring Bible classes in public schools if students request such a class) and HB 1034 (adding the phrase "one state under God" to the Texas pledge) and, somewhat more controversially, for HB 2685 (Rep. Chisum's traditional marriage class bill).  These are votes with Perry's issues but not votes most people would criticize (except perhaps HB 2685).

It seems that Noriega did not vote against Perry's issues.  This isn't a criticism of Noriega in any way because Noriega voted with very large majorities in all votes except HB 2685, but it is hard to justify the statement that Noriega "voted against Perry's issues."


[ Parent ]
Shorthand (0.00 / 0)
"Perry's issues" was shorthand for tort reform.

/this is the most interest in the wording of a BOR poll ever... :)

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
point (0.00 / 0)
Mikal Watts is the candidate who exerts influence through campaign contributions. Noriega is the candidate who needs every dime he can get. He would be crazy to turn the money down. And Bob Perry is not a snake, he's just an old man  trying to get into heaven. Maybe Perry sees what we see - the opporunity to send a genuine Texas hero to DC. Strange bedfellows.. but as long as the help isn't going to Cornyn, should we really make a big deal out of this?

I gotta admit... (0.00 / 0)
I'm way more curious about Watt's over 100k in contributions to Republicans than I am about a few thousand that came into Noriega's campaign.

If the issue is principle, then what business do good Democrats have voting for a man that claims to be a Democrat yet funded Republicans against Democrats?

Diversionary? Hardly, Citizen X. It's a legitimate question.

In answer to Jose's question, the contributions don't bother me given the voting record. Further, any attempt by Perry to swiftboat Rick will end in failure. That's a trick you can't turn twice. Honestly, he shouldn't have been able to the first time.


[ Parent ]
A few thousand? (3.00 / 1)
In the interest of full disclosure we should point out that Bob Perry and his family have given over $50k to the Noriegas

[ Parent ]
come on (3.00 / 1)
Bob Perry first contributed to Noriega in, I believe, 2001 ... four years before anyone had heard of Hurricane Katrina.

[ Parent ]
Money will not make a Difference (0.00 / 0)
Noriega will be in a run off with THE DEAD DANCER who is not going to spend anything.

However you feel... (3.00 / 1)
...this is a great point for us to discuss.  Thanks Jose - excellent journalism.

Tough Questions (0.00 / 0)

I have written three diaries and numerous comments on this topic here at BOR in the last couple of weeks.  This seems like a pretty big deal to me.  There are two issues really.  One is Noriega taking money from Perry.  As I have written, this is the same issue as Hillary taking money from Rupert Murdoch.  There is a great deal of political capital going into convincing democrats that we should abandon our principles and become Machiavellian pragmatists. I don't buy it.

And this is the other is issue.  How do we -Democrats, progressives, net-folk - deal with this issue?  The Texas netroots put a lot of energy into drafting Noriega.  I'm not sure what the origins of this effort were,  but it caught on and good people put good effort into it.  It appears to me that many, maybe most, or even all, in this effort did not know of these contributions.  Who knows how much difference this knowledge would have made.  I would like to think that it would have made a lot of difference.  But the fact is that by the time this information surfaced most were already well invested in the Noriega effort.

Understandably some, who had put a great deal of energy into the draft Noriega effort, responded very defensively when these questions were raised.  Others have been more measured.  The heavy investment that had been made prior to this information coming out means that there is going to be a lot more energy put into defending the effort both internally and externally.  The natural inclination toward groupthink on this issue has got to be very high.  The measured response of some is to be greatly respected. There are two very different internal questions that one in this position could be struggling with.  The natural inclination is probably toward the question, "how do I defend Noriega?"  The other question that I hope that some are struggling with is, "can I justify this action?"

My own move toward this question has been very different than those of you who have been involved in the draft Noriega effort.  I started hearing the buzz after the effort was well underway and Noriega had declared.  I heard that Noriega was the progressive choice and eventually I got around to looking for information on him with the assumption that I would find good progressive info to put on my own blog.  His campaign literature was thin and did not strike me as all that progressive, which is what you would expect from a progressive running for statewide office in Texas.  I started asking questions about why he was the progressive choice and got a rather knee jerk reaction from a couple of people and very little information from others.  I wrote this off to a general quiet on the blogs.  Then the information about donations from Perry came in.  Wow!!! At this point I started asking more pointed questions and the response was much more reactive. 

I have not completely written off Noriega as the progressive choice, but for him to become my candidate of choice it would take a lot of contrite explanation backed up by policy statements assuring me that he would not continue such practices and that he would take an active roll in the sort of campaign finance reform that would limit the influence of money. Taking money from Bob Perry is a violation of the trust of the Democratic Party.  All of us were victimized by the lies and deceit of this snake.  There is probably nothing that Noriega could say that would not make me for evermore leery of him, but then again he is a politician.

There are those who want to make this a Noriega against Watts thing.  I am not there.  I doubt that I could ever support an anti-choice candidate and I have not started thinking of Watts as a viable alternative to Noriega.  For me this issue is grave enough that it stands alone.

I can only hope that people are not standing by Noriega because they feel like they are backed into a corner.  There are other options.  Certainly putting pressure on Noriega to make amends is a better option than turning a blind eye.  It is also not too late to draft a better candidate. 

I look forward to talking to both candidates this Sunday in Bryan.


Does Not Matter (0.00 / 0)
Perry is no doubt a Republican who prefers Republicans.  However, he throws a little money to every elected official's campaign regardless of party.  If he wants to give money to Democrats like Noriega who oppose his agenda, then so be it.  Bob Perry is as evil as the day is long, but Noriega's voting record is 100% againt Perry.  The voting record is what matters the most.  So, if Perry wants to give Noriega money to vote against him, then wouldn't Noriega be a fool to not take that money? 

I'm sorry (0.00 / 0)
but this contention that Noriega is some how so pure that it does not matter that he is taking tainted money does not come close to holding water.  For one thing few of us, and probably none of us, know his record well enough to be able to verify that he has not voted in Perry's favor. Very seldom does any politician vote 100% against someone or some interest group.  And if he has voted on something in a way that would benefit Perry, how do we know why he did it.  This is exactly why we need to insist that our candidates not take money from despicable sources and that they work aggressively on campaign finance reform.  True integrity would not leave such a dark cloud looming. 

Progressives believe that money should not be allowed to influence elections. When a politician takes money from someone who has so heinously used money to influence elections, it is rather hard that politician to make a claim for reform.  Bob Perry viciously attacked our party.  When Rick Noriega took money from Perry, he turned his back on the party.  He needs to step up to the plate and answer for this or expect Democrats and especially progressives to attack him for it.  I strongly encourage the progressive community to take a large step back from him unless he is willing to make some strong policy statements to assure us that he will make amends.


[ Parent ]
What the hell, is something wrong with me? (5.00 / 1)
  While I think many of us would agree that there are serious reforms that need to be made within our current campaign financing system, can't we also understand that we have to play the game with the rules that are currently in place, in order to accrue the numbers needed to enact these reforms?  It sounds hypocritical as hell, for sure, but I am willing to accept the fact that a politician I wholeheartedly support might have financial supporters that I find less than desirable, as long as they continue to vote in the best interest of their constituents.

  At times I find such rigid purity tests admirable and wish I could find it in me to throw all political realism to the wayside, but then I think about having to go another decade without electing a statewide Democrat and how much further harm that will do Texans.  I don't know, maybe it's just me.  Do I love this part of the process?  Well, hell no.  However, I then think of how our current junior Senator wants to tell all of the women in my life that they have no right to make decisions about their own body and that each of my gay friends is less of a citizen than I am.  I think of all of the problems that are wreaking havoc on this state and nation - every issue from thousands of my fellow Americans being killed and maimed in an unjust war, to millions of citizens not being able to afford adequate health care - and how much we need to get people elected who will be advocates for us all on the issues that are truly ravaging this nation. 

  I believe that the re-election of this current senator is unacceptable.  Therefore, I will support the candidate who has the best chance to beat him and, fortunately enough, also shares my concerns and beliefs.  I won't discount a candidate because they have to raise funds to actually have a chance at being competitive.  This is a primary and I feel that most issues (aside from something along the lines of attacking a candidate's family or calling their children ugly) are fair game, so I don't want this to come across as me being horrified by a story against Noriega - it's fair, but a call to arms to now drop our support of Noriega or turn in our Progressive Card is a bit much.  I know you're not just a Watts supporter (because you mentioned his anti-choice stance as a negative, in an earlier post) trying to play the part of dismayed progressive and you always come across as being deeply sincere, but questioning one's very integrity and progressive credentials is a tad much, but maybe I'm just being sensitive.  I hope your effort to draft a "true" progressive into this race ends up bearing fruit and the best of luck, truly.  I've found my horse in the race and I have not an ounce of remorse about it.  Maybe I'll be the only progresive that doesn't abide by your call for progressives in the state to lower their support for Noriega, but I'm hoping not. 

  And I am a progressive.  I'm not going to be any less of one when I pull the lever for Rick Noriega on March 4th.  I will know that I am entrusting my vote with a man that has repeatedly answered the call to serve and who I will be able to count on to focus on the most pressing issues facing our nation.  Who knows, maybe that's just me.  I'm sure there's still Gene Kelly.  Take care.


[ Parent ]
Progressive (0.00 / 0)
is a very nebulous word.  It seems have become even more vague recently as all kinds of people that I would not have considered progressive are taking up the moniker.  Who am I to define the word for them?  I think that to a large degree this semantic diffusion is a good thing as it means that the cultural pendulum may be swinging back just a bit so it is finally somewhat cool to be progressive.  Painting a person with such a large brush does not make much sense anyway.  Looking at a single issue through that lens may be a little more meaningful.  I have no idea how progressive you are in general, but I would feel pretty comfortable in saying that putting the fact that someone has served in the military above taking money from Bob Perry is not the most progressive stance in the world.  By this reckoning McCain is one hell of a candidate.

You said that Noriega is someone "I will be able to count on to focus on the most pressing issues facing our nation."  What do you base this on?  While I would agree that veterans issues are very important, I do not see them necessarily as the most pressing issues facing our nation.  In looking over the legislation that Noriega has authored this seems to be the most consistent issue addressed. This is not a rhetorical question: what els has he done? It seems that I may be missing something. What I am questioning is what this Noriega bandwagon is made of.  I have been looking for something to base this on and I have not found anything of substance.  As you pointed out, I am not a Watts supporter, but I have not found anything that would encourage me to crawl over Bob Perry to get on the Noriega bandwagon either.

I must admit that suggesting that questioning a Democrat taking money from Bob Perry is a "rigid purity tests" does not make you appear all that progressive.  Proclaiming that we "throw all political realism to the wayside" if we don't want to let Perry's money influence who our Democratic candidates are does not strike me as progressive.  If this is progressive, maybe it is me who is not progressive.


[ Parent ]
If you think attacking Rick Noriega is good for progressive politics (0.00 / 0)
Then you havent been paying attention the last 6 years.

[ Parent ]
This is true (0.00 / 0)
Most of my attention stays focused on local issues.  What have I missed? 

I would hardly call asking a politician to address the fact that he has taken money from such an archrival of the Party to be an attack.  What Bob Perry threw at John Kerry, now that was an attack.


[ Parent ]
Time out (1.00 / 1)
WHO has declared Bob Perry an archrival of the Party? Certainly not the Party. Get off of it already. The only difference between Watts and Perry is that Watts is running for office. They both give money to Democrats and Republicans. Watts' money kept Craddick strong the past 3 sessions and Perry's money help solidify Houston's Democratic majority.

[ Parent ]
Oh please.... (4.00 / 2)
come on Tejana.  Not sure which Party you think Perry is not an archrival of.

Bob "Swiftboat" Perry spent $4.5 million to destroy John Kerry's reputation, and played a major role in giving 4 more years of Bush, thousands more dead GIs in Iraq.....need I go on.

Bob Perry is DEFINITELY an archrival of the Democratic party and not much of a friend to this country.


[ Parent ]
Solution: donate the $ money yourself. (0.00 / 0)
Unless you are going to contribute the amount that Bob Perry does to Democrats, dollar for dollar, you can't expect them to refuse the contributions.  This holier than thou attitude didn't work for Republicans because no one can live up to their purity test. A good way to sabotage ourselves is to sabotage our own candidates with shit like this.

Kerry was a terrible candidate. That's why we lost.


[ Parent ]
Damn (0.00 / 0)
I forgot to check the published list. I'll do better next time.

[ Parent ]
It's a pretty short list to some. (5.00 / 1)
Mikal Watts = Archrival of the party.
Anybody for Rick = Good.

[ Parent ]
Not true (5.00 / 1)
Mikal Watts-Dem candidate for Senate nomination.

Rick Noriega-Better Dem Candidate for Senate nomination.

Bob Perry and Mikal Watts both give to Dems and Republicans-though both tilt one direction more  than the other.

I find Watts support of Greg Abbott, Tom Craddick, and the Hilco PAC more troubling than Perry's contributions to Rick.

Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.


[ Parent ]
As far as I am concerned (0.00 / 0)
this issue has nothing to do with Mikal Watts.  If he were being  promoted as "the progressive choice" I would be all over it for a number of reasons.  You keep trying to insinuate that what Watts has done somehow justifies what Noriega has done.  That seems a little sad.  What's more you are comparing apples to oranges in terms of the types of donations.  But it really doesn't matter, this is a Noriega issue.  My guess is that if you opened a separate thread to talk about the Watts issues it would be largely ignored because most of us are not considering him as a possible candidate and no one has been putting a lot of energy into changing our minds.

[ Parent ]
I have been trying to set someone straight on this issue with no luck. (0.00 / 0)
Some time back, I got into a discussion where a coworker argued that Rick Noriega voted in favor of HB  730 which created the Texas Residential Construction Commission which very directly and substantially benefitted Bob Perry.  She also said that during the same session Noriega supported HB 1942, which was ultimately passed as SB 1271, and which directly and substantially benefitted Reliant Energy and CenterPoint Energy.

I'm usually good at finding answers to questions like this, but I have been unable to refute the suggestion that Noriega supported HB 730 and HB 1942, and I would appreciate any help refuting this point.


that's interesting... (0.00 / 0)
...he was absent, excused for 730 and 1271 never had a record vote.


[ Parent ]
You got me curious (0.00 / 0)
with your explanation of Rick's votes on these two bills.  According to the House Journal Rick voted Yes on final passage of HB 730 (page 5988).  You may have gotten confused because on the vote right before that (on an unrelated bill he was listed as absent).  On SB1271, Rick also voted Yes (page 5267).  It was the first order of business on that legislative day.

Can't say that I know what those bills did, but just want to set the record straight that Rick did vote for both bills


[ Parent ]
Final reading (0.00 / 0)
As anyone who follows the legislature closely could say, final passage votes are a mere formality, especially when the final vote is on a conference committee report of a bill. Real debate happens on second reading of the bill, while final reading votes are nearly always unanimous. Yes, Noriega did vote for final passage of HB 730: the vote was 137-0.

[ Parent ]
Thank you... (0.00 / 0)
I got a little busier than expected over the last few days.

[ Parent ]
horse hockey (0.00 / 0)
that is most certainly not true that "final passage votes are a mere formality".  final reading votes are NOT "nearly always unanimous".

third reading votes when a bills passage is already assured are often safe ways for members to have it both ways ("i voted against 730 before I voted for it").

Please refer to KT's signature.


[ Parent ]
Well... (0.00 / 0)
you can take issue with the semantics, but he's right.

[ Parent ]
not really (0.00 / 0)
has nothing to do with semantics. third reading is important. if you were watching in the late 90s you would know that us Dems killed vouchers by 1 or 2 votes on 3rd reading.

nothing symbolic or formal about it.

Please refer to KT's signature.


[ Parent ]
Kind of (0.00 / 0)
You're right that a bill is killed on the third reading sometimes - I can remember a couple times last session. But the reason I remember those times from last session is that it's fairly dramatic and not common. The fact that the final third reading vote was 137-0 indicated that this was not one of those times. And i just did a minute or two of research about 730 the other day, but it appears that the original vote is not recorded. Hopefully we won't have this problem with unrecorded votes in the future, but that's a different story.

[ Parent ]
This is an important topic (0.00 / 0)
Independent of where any candidate stands.  I'm a builder and I know almost nothing about this legislation, other than the fees that I pay because of it.  My understanding is that ostensibly this gives homeowners recourse if they are screwed by a builder.  In actuality it is a pretense of protection that further protects bad building practices. 

It is absolutely absurd that in Texas you have to have a license to sell a house but you don't need one to build a house.  Consequently our building practices are atrocious.  I would welcome a better understanding of the details of this legislation if anyone is more familiar. 


[ Parent ]
voucher bills in the late 90s (0.00 / 0)
Didn't Ron Wilson offer up a voucher amendment to a Cuellar bill in the late 90s?  Didn't Cuellar vote with Wilson for vouchers after Hochberg tried to table that amendment? 

We lost that vote by 1 vote if I recall.


[ Parent ]
not as i recall (0.00 / 0)
even with a Democratic speaker, there were numerous voucher proposals in the late 90s and (by my poor memory) i remember them going down by 1 or 2 votes at least 3 times.

i can't recall a voucher bill that passed the house, but you might have a better memory than i do.

Please refer to KT's signature.


[ Parent ]
The other slime bag Perry (0.00 / 0)
I would like to take all of Perry's money!

Bob Swift Boat Perry (5.00 / 1)
Yes, the despicable Perry funded an unconscionable and reprehensible smear campaign against John Kerry.  Bob boy has more than enough money to purchase influence and simultaneously assuage his so-called Christian conscience, should it feel an occasional prick or two. 

During such weak moments, Perry will toss a piece of chump change to a Democratic candidate or cause or throw a few dollars at an orphanage south of the border.  Perhaps such meager and niggardly gestures allow the homebuilder to sleep at night.

Too bad big oil dude, huge donor and buddy of W. (and one of his foreign policy  "advisors" to boot) Ray Hunt of Dallas doesn't feel such pricks of an obviously non-existent conscience.  It seems that Hunt, yet another extraordinarily wealthy dude who promised to deliver the Presidential election of 2004 to W., gets his jollies by undermining U.S. war efforts in Iraq for the sole purpose of accumulating even more wealth for himself.  Does Hunt care that thousands are dying in the process?  Of course he doesn't.

This is what these Perry and Hunt types do.  And they will donate millions, not chump change mind you, to candidates like W. whom they know will let them do it.

In the end, however, it is we the people who should take responsibility for pulling the levers, punching the cards or dialing and entering our votes for the disastrous leaders that we have today.

After all, the Perry and Hunt types could not have pulled it all off on their own. 

Is it not time to stop being so na├»ve, petty and instead forge ahead to throw all of the corrupted and unpatriotic bums out of office? 

Stop fighting over the small stuff, thank you.
 


Perry Helping GOP Coup in CA... (0.00 / 0)
I read in the la times perry gave big money towards the initiative there to split the electoral vote in ca among repub and dem congressional districts. so basically the gop would get 20 EVs in 08, thus making it much harder for the dems to win without the entire slate of EVs from CA. dems all over are funding a majoring counter effort to block this intiative. you can red more here from Sen Boxer's action group who is fighting this sick thing-http://www.fairelect...
also N Tx Liberal Has More on Perry Funding this Effort-http://www.northtexa...

I'd take money from George Bush (0.00 / 0)
to beat Cornyn any day.  I'd take money from Cornyn to beat Bush.  And I'd take any republican money to beat any republican come to think of it.  And I think Bush, Perry and Cornyn are scum.  So let me have it. 

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