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Endorsements and Press Releases


by: Karl-Thomas Musselman

Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 03:10 PM CST


Because I don't have much time to hash it out, if you want to read a press release that asks why Chris "Mr. Ethics" Bell is currently in violation of Texas ethics law, read the extended entry.

The following is an agreement set forth for the next 2 weeks in regards to coverage of the Gubernatorial Primary.  As many of you are aware, the threads have gotten a bit heated in the past week, which has inspired me to start producing a number of 'standards' statements of which this will not be the last.  Our new SoapBlox platform offers us a lot more but has given rise to some issues that while new to us, have been dealt with before by other sites of this design. But I believe in community far more than anything else, and so long as we can respect each other here, we will be stronger as a party and as organizers.

That being said, I wanted to let you know this is the acting agreement on which I'm asking writers to follow as we deal with endorsement of all kinds in the next two weeks.

Phillip and I, inspired by other writers, came up with a new policy for the next 2 weeks in regards to external groups endorsing in the Gubernatorial primary.  As you have probably noticed, each campaign is giving us one a day in order to force coverage and it's generating the same lame-o discussions in the comment threads each time.  It's getting a bit ridiculous and thus, it is going to stop.

Unless an endorsement is of shockingly high interest and is really unexpected, I'm asking that they not be front paged anymore.  And at this point, if they are, I'll mention it.  So instead (and all writers have access to this) you should update Phillips Latest Endorsements post.

Now, in terms of BOR endorsements.  I'm going to be writing up opinions for just about any race that we can collectively care to care about from top to bottom across the state. One, as a way to give coverage to races we have forgotten, and two, because when it comes down to it, though we are a group blog, I need it to speak with one voice on endorsements.  So I'm taking owner's privilege to be the only one using the Burnt Orange Endorsements Tag.

Now, I know some of you have similar and different opinions so I'm going to offer a couple options.  Either leave your statement in the form of a comment on my official endorsement posts (which I would prefer so each race is all together), or write up one Journal that contains all your endorsements in it (and that can go for races you concur or don't with me).

I have a test tomorrow that I have lots of reading to finish for, so these may not roll out until tomorrow.

Thanks as always,
Karl-Thomas


Ethics Press Release below.

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(Austin)//Democratic Candidate for Governor Chris Bell, who has made “Don’t mess with Texas ethics” the cornerstone of his entire campaign, is currently in violation of Texas election law.  Though required by Texas law to file by February 13th, Bell has failed to file his personal finance statement with the Texas Ethics Commission.  Just what does he have to hide?

“Maybe this is the bold ethics reform Chris Bell is talking about – just ignore the law,” Gammage Communications Director Jeremy Warren said.  “Mr. Bell should learn to follow the current law before he proposes any new ones.”

Bell, who has pledged to “put real teeth in the enforcement [of] our ethics laws,” has been bitten by failure to file mandatory paperwork in the past.  According to the Houston Chronicle, in 2001, “Bell temporarily lost his law license after he failed to pay his State Bar of Texas dues.” (Houston Chronicle, October 26, 2001)  Bell, who received three notices from the State Bar, blamed an administrative error for the suspension of his law license for failure to pay his bar dues.

Bell's law license suspension, and his refusal to disclose his income tax returns, became issues in his Houston campaigns.  The Houston Chronicle later speculated that Bell didn't want to disclose his tax returns because they would show an IRS lien for failing to pay some $13,000 in back taxes. (Source: Houston Chronicle, September 10, 2001)

Bell admitted the existence of the lien only after reporters questioned him about it.  He said he hadn't paid enough taxes because he had unexpectedly large earnings in his private law practice.  He said it took him four years to pay off the IRS debt.  In later Congressional financial disclosure statements, Bell reported he still was paying off two large loans he took out to discharge the debts of that law practice, as well as a loan for "personal debt consolidation."

As Chairman of the Houston City Council’s Ethics committee, Bell helped eliminate the “blackout period” in which people doing business with the city were prohibited from giving contributions to council members.  Chairman Bell also was criticized for accepting an 85-piece set of gold-plated flatware from a Houston businessman who had recently received a $6 million city contract.  (Houston Chronicle, September 12, 1999; January 14, 2000)

“This is pretty outrageous,” Warren said.  “Chris Bell has virtually staked his entire campaign on ethics reform yet it repeatedly seems he can’t be bothered with ethics laws himself.  Texans need to ask themselves how seriously they can take an ‘ethics reformer’ who has a penchant for violating ethics laws.”

Gammage, a member of the “Dirty 30” reform group, has made ethics reform one of the top priorities of his campaign.  He has pledged to pass an Ethics Reform Act to make it illegal for any state legislator or high agency official to become a lobbyist for at least two years after leaving state service.  Gammage wants to shut the revolving door between state officials and the industries they regulate and strengthen campaign finance laws to prevent corporations and the elite from buying our elections.

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High paid, low performing consultants (3.50 / 4)
With all  the money Bell's paid for  consultants surely at least one could have written up his personal financial disclosure statement.  Or at the very least advised him that any embarrassing disclosures would matter less than breaking one of the few ethics laws Texas has.

It doesn't look like "I just forgot" or "I didn't have time" will be sufficient excuse this time.

"Fool me once, shame .... on .... me.... Fool me twice.... won't get fooled again."
-----One particular fool



The inevitable Bell "non-response" (2.00 / 4)
The first, most obvious "non-response" response that Stanford will put out on "Team Bells' behalf  is that "somebody forgot" or "we have someone doing a bad job in the 'reports' department.

How lame.... how inevitable......

Just for the record, Chris Bell has paid Lone Star Strategies a total of $69,991.

of that $20,295 has been for "consulting and compliance" and "administration and compliance".

I think Bob's wife, Lynda put together Bob's report......

If I were Heidi Kirkpatrick (of Lone Star Strategies) I'd be pissed at Jason when he says it.

But you know that's what he's gonna.... like clockwork..


[ Parent ]
I WIN... oh how .... predictable. (3.00 / 2)
"Exactly what I thought the Bell camp'd say:

"Bell missed the Feb. 13 deadline due to an oversight, said his campaign spokesman, Jason Stanford."

"Stanford said of the missed deadline, "Two people thought it was each other's job and it didn't get done. ... We apologize."

Oh right... oh how .... predictable.

I can hear the reporters laughing from here.


[ Parent ]
Carol Alvarado's excuse (1.00 / 1)
Sounds like Carol Alvarado's excuse -"I'm much too busy to pay attention to whether my staff is doing what they're supposed to be doing" - and of course this is just added to the long list of indications as to what type of governor Chris Bell would make. Not knowing what the left hand or the right hand is doing and not really caring either. 

Where did this appear by the way?


[ Parent ]
Waiting for the response (3.00 / 2)
Would be nice to see how Bell responds to this.  Or his supporters do.

Not news to me.  I've said all along he shares the same philosophy as the Republicans. The law applies to everyone else.  Not to him.

Would be nice if the Houston Chronicle told Greater Houston Partnership to shove it and ran this.  But they won't.

"He said he hadn't paid enough taxes because he had unexpectedly large earnings in his private law practice."

But didn't pay his taxes despite his large earnings?  Most people can't pay their taxes because they didn't make enough that year.  Not because they made too much.

 


please (3.00 / 3)
Enough with the Chris Bell is a Republican line.

Maybe he's voted with them on certain big issues, and I'm sure both candidate have some republican donors (heck, I've donated and supported Republicans like Carter Casteel), and anyone is more than free to call that out.  But to call either Democrat in this race an outright Republican does little justice to their record of service overall to our Party.

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In name only (3.00 / 2)
I disagree. Name one piece of major legislation that Chris Bell supported and voted for in Congress that would reflect a "record of service overall to our Party." 

You are also not a "heavy hitter" Democrat who has given large campaign contributions to a Republican. I'm not sure there really are any.

But there are a lot of "heavy hitter" Republicans who have given large campaign contributions to Chris Bell.



[ Parent ]
No heavy hitters? (0.00 / 0)
Have you seen Strayhorn's list of contributors?

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

[ Parent ]
Yeah, now that you ask .... (3.67 / 3)
Yeah, now that you ask "How did those guys all become convinced that the Democrat in the race didn't stand a chance."

(Hint: they all signed on with Carol 4+ before Bob got into the race.  They all already decided Bell wouldn't stand a chance in November.)

Do I think they've had second thoughts?  Yeah, if Bob wins the primary, there's been some indication....


[ Parent ]
So why didn't they give to Bell? (0.00 / 0)
I've seen the list.  Many of them may have been giving to her in the hope of persuading her to switch parties and challenge Bell. Which she obviously had no intention of doing.

Many of those contributions were made after Bell announced but before Gammage announced.  You can draw your own conclusion.


[ Parent ]
so stupid (3.00 / 2)
Name one piece of major legislation that Chris Bell supported and voted for in Congress that would reflect a "record of service overall to our Party."

Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
Rated 100% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes. (Dec 2003)
Voted YES on allowing reimportation of prescription drugs. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on small business associations for buying health insurance. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on capping damages and setting time limits in medical lawsuits. (Mar 2003)
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record. (Dec 2003) 
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record. (Dec 2003)
Voted NO on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004) Voted YES on end offshore tax havens and promote small business. (Oct 2004)Rated 93% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-labor voting record. (Dec 2003)

that's just a taste


[ Parent ]
Votes, not ratings (1.00 / 1)
I asked for votes. Not ratings. 

I do not believe the votes you cite counter his voting for the Bush energy bill or the bankruptcy bill. I suspect I am not alone in that belief judging from other comments on BOR I am not alone.  And who is to say he would have voted for or against the bills you cite had he read them.  By his own admission he didn't even read the bankruptcy bill before voting for it. He apparently just voted for it because he was told to vote for it.

Money talks. And Chris Bell listens. Republican money.


[ Parent ]
Uhhh... look (3.00 / 1)
Yes on importation of prescription drugs from Candada. That's a Big D issue. You asked for a vote. You got it.

[ Parent ]
You asked for one vote. (3.00 / 3)
And you got six.

You're never going to be satisfied. If Bell wins, and Gammage asks everyone to support Bell, you still wouldn't support him. You'd rather support Perry than Bell. You said so right here.

After Earle issued indictments on Delay, you spent a few months defending Delay. It wasn't until more evidence came out and it was "OK" to go after Delay that you spoke more adamently against him (sounds like something a lot of Republicans did, in fact).

Sorry if I never take you seriously, but your record of supporting Republicans discounts any and all credibility.

:)

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
You are hallucinating (3.00 / 2)
I have never defended Tom De Lay. I have pointed out that the corruption is on both sides of the aisle.  As has Ronnie Earle.

I don't support Chris Bell so I am not only a Republican but a Tom De Lay supporter.

As do most Bell supporters when you can't respond, you attack.


[ Parent ]
Nope (2.33 / 3)
You've come out in defense of Tom Delay lots of times on this blog. Selective memory, I guess. Also, the fact that you'd support Perry over Bell is pretty outrageous to me.

"As do most Bell supporters when you can't respond, you attack."

Your constant, incessant, relentless attacks are OK b/c they're against Bell? Don't think so. Also, nice job assuming who I support. Got any proof on that?

I'm not defending Bell here, btw. I'm calling you out for your BS. You've defended Delay, and you'd choose Perry over Bell. If anyone else did that, you'd label them a Republican.

If you can't take it, don't dish it.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
ugh (3.00 / 2)
Listen to Phillip and Matt. They've given you what you want, and I'm fully confident in your abilities to find what you are looking for, you just lack the personal motivation.

Give it a rest, you are not helping your cause.

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[ Parent ]
What cause? (0.00 / 0)
I simply want to see a Democrat win back the governor's mansion if possible.

Chris Bell talks about ethics and corruption in the Republican Party.  And yet once again, as you yourself posted with regard to his not having filed his personal financial disclosure report, he has proven he believes the rules and the laws don't apply to him. 

Bob Gammage talks about ethics and corruption.  In both parties.

That's what scares a lot of Democrats because he's talking about them.

I would also like to see a Democrat not only win back the governor's mansion but the legislature as well.

Bell talks about himself.  Gammage talks about the party.  Sums up the difference between the two candidates.


[ Parent ]
My "attacks" (0.00 / 0)
My "attacks" are based on verifiable facts as are the other "attacks" by others on this and other blogs.

And yes, I would vote for Rick Perry before I would vote for Chris Bell. At least you know where you stand with Rick Perry. You don't know where you stand with Chris Bell.  As indicated again most recently with his proposing a change in the "10 Percent" admissions policy and then retracting it two days later. Retracting it by deleting it I might add. Hoping no one would notice.

Quite a few did.  All over Texas.

And I have never defended Tom De Lay. Sorry you chose to interpret anything I have said as defending him.


[ Parent ]
Oh and by the way (0.00 / 0)
I meant major legislation that affects all Americans.  I meant major legislation like the energy bill and the bankruptcy bill.

The other bills were important. But not major.


[ Parent ]
HAH! (3.00 / 1)
BSnooks - the issues where I have a specific qualm are major, the ones that Bell voted on that we agree with are not. including prescription drugs.

Mwhahahaha. So transparent. You're a person with a personal beef with Chris that would support a Republican over him.


[ Parent ]
How could you vote for Perry over Bell? (3.00 / 2)
I'm having a real hard time deciding who I'm gonna vote for, or if I'm gonna sign a petition.  The 2006 gubernatorial election is the most interesting race I've ever seen, and no one knows how it will play out. 

But each time I read BOR, the Gammage folks are attacking Bell more than they're promoting their own candidate.  That's so lame.  Y'all claimed that Bell was weak, but then Bell came out swinging and pointing out Gammage's voting record.  Instead of getting organized and submitting media packets to the editorial boards, the Gammage people blasted the newspaper endorsements because they were impressed with Bell's media binders.  No shit.  I know Gammage is rusty because he hasn't run in a long time, but c'mon folks, this isn't your first rodeo.  If you can't get organized enough to send the editorial boards an in-depth media packet, then why should I have any confidence in your media outreach abilities?  Don't get me wrong.  I like Gammage's charisma.  I think the primary is healthy for the party.  But the fact that the Gammage supporters have turned out to be rather shrill, I'm starting to lean towards Bell. 

This primary could have been better and more engaging.  But it seems to have devolved into a 3rd grade pissing match in which personal grudges over-ride logical thinking.  Anybody who would vote for Perry over Bell, as BS claims, loses any credibility with me.  Sorry BS.  I admire your stubborness, and I find your posts entertaining.  But you're not winning over any undecided votes to your cause.  Bell ain't perfect, but he ain't as bad as you claim.


[ Parent ]
Yeah, should have taken the media packet (0.00 / 0)
OF course, that's not quite as dumb as running on a platform of ethics reform and FAILING TO FILE THE REPORT ON TIME.

That's right, boys and girls, Bell's report STILL hasn't been filed.


[ Parent ]
You're right, Trey (2.00 / 1)
That ethics filing was pretty silly.  I laughed when I heard that.

Here's my broader point:
I still might vote for Gamamge, but if I do, it will be a vote FOR Gammage...not a vote AGAINST Bell.  The Gammage folks certainly have lots of enthusiasm, so y'all should stress the positive.  I'm glad Gammage tossed his hat in the ring because it's forced the media to finally admit that there are actually Democrats running in the gubernatorial race. 

But I like Bell too.  He's a nice guy with some good ideas.  He's about as exciting as vanilla ice cream, but maybe in 2006, the voters will want some vanilla to wash down all the Republican corruption.


[ Parent ]
Yes, but... (3.00 / 2)
These questions are not new.

When Bell ran for mayor in 2001, he filled out the Harris County GOP's issue questionnaire:

Bell agreed with the GOP position 10 out of 13 times, leading veteran Houston pol George Strong to quip: "So Chris is what? A Republican lite or a Democrat lite?"

Google is a wonderful tool.  Here are the GOP questions and the GOP party line answer:


1. In light of increased property valuations, will you vote to decrease the City of Houston property tax rate? Party would say: Yes

2. Do you support the current term limit provision whereby no City of Houston elected official may serve more than 3 two-year terms in any one position? Party would say: Yes

3. Do you support a requirement that any government entity require a two-thirds majority to impose any tax increase? Yes says the party

4. Do you support a policy of non-discrimination in which everyone is treated equally as opposed to affirmative action policies that create special classes of citizens who are entitled to special treatment? Yes is the answer they wanted

5. Do you support privatizing, competitively bidding and/or outsourcing as many government services as practicable? Yes again

6. Do you support allowing a government entity to engage in a business enterprise in competition with a private enterprise? No would be correct

7. Do you support extending benefits to same sex partners of government employees? Hell no would be correct according to the HCRP.

8. Do you support the premise that the first call on tax funds should be adequate police and fire departments properly staffed and equipped to ensure the safety and property of the citizens? Yes says the party and also Orlando Sanchez.

9. Do you oppose the use of public funds, other than needed for basic infrastructure, to subsidize the cost of private facilities, such as stadiums, arenas, hotels and the like? Yes would be the party's position.

10. Do you believe government should take private property from individuals or companies for the "good of the community" without paying fair compensation? No, No.

11. Do you support the granting of public tax dollars for economic development in areas that are not economically disadvantaged? No

12. Do you support the right of City Council members to add items to the City Council agenda if approved by a majority of the members? Yes.

13. Do you support a binding referendum by the tax-payers exclusively concerning the construction of the proposed Metro Rail system? Yes on Metro 

Bell voted against the GOP on question 7, question 4 and question 9.

In other words, Bell agreed with the Harris County GOP on taxes, term limits, super-majority for tax increases, privatization of city services, government operations, prioritizing tax funds to specific issues, eminent domain, city eco devo funds to poor communities, setting the city agenda, and light rail.

http://www.political.com/analysis-arc/0409.html


[ Parent ]
Did you read the questions? (3.00 / 1)
Many, if not most, Democrats in Harris County would agree with most of what Chris Bell agreed with.

Are you anti Public transportation? Should you expect Bell to be? Should he not support the ability of council members to add resoultions? That's important if you've got a crappy mayor.

Are you for public seizure of property without compensation?

If you are implying that gammage is anti transit, pro-seizure of property without compensation and pro-ignoring our duty to protect the public. Then there is a good reason not to vote for Gammage.


[ Parent ]
Um, yes, I did (3.00 / 2)
You've got it exactly wrong on transit.  The GOP wanted to kill light rail.  Bell was apparently with them.

He supported a super majority for tax cuts, one of the top priorities of the GOP at the local, state and national level.

Do you rally think the GOP is anti-eminent domain?  No, this is about environmental takings.

Do you honestly think the Harris County GOP eanted to direct money to police and fire departments because they were gung ho about public safety and law enforcement and fire unions?  No, they wanted to a) embarass Lee Brown because of some deaths among fire fighters and, b) they want to put strings on funds so that they cannot be appropriated to other worthwhile endeavors. 

Did you just ignore the question about city dvelopment funds in low-income communities?


[ Parent ]
transit (0.00 / 0)
You're going to have to be clear on the transit thing. Your C&P job is confusing.

Bell said he supported a binding vote on rail (which is now mandatory by state low). As someone who worked for Cap Metro on the latest rail iniative in Austin I can tell you that having a vote is often the best thing, overall, for these types of projects. It allows great freedom (as Metro is taking advantage of) in adjusting routes.


[ Parent ]
Houston wanted rail (5.00 / 1)
Harris County Judge Bob Eckles, Tom DeLay and the Harris County GOP wanted a county-wide vote on rail.  They wanted to kill it by extending the vote to communities who would not have to use it or pay for it.  DeLay withheld federal funds for the project for years, even after referendums in the city showed strong majority support for light rail.

In 2001, the GOP was still trying to kill rail, and Bell was -- apparently -- with them.

Bell made an explicit, tactical choice in 2001.  He openly courted Houston Republicans in order to defeat a Democratic mayor.  He voted on council with them on key issues to undermine the mayor, and he publicly supported them on a majority of their issues to try to win their support to become mayor of Houston. 

These are facts.  He said it explicitly in a Houston Press profile when he was getting ready to run for mayor.  At the time, Orlando Sanchez was not in the race.  Bell was trying to be "Republican enough" to be the Democrat Republicans could vote for in a head-to-head match up with Lee Brown.  The profile states many times that a candidate with such obvious ties to the Republican party like Rob Mosbacher could not win, but a candidate who courts those same voters and business interests without those long-standing ties could win.

http://www.houstonpress.com/Issues/2000-09-07/news/insider.html

When Sanchez got in, Bell almost handed the mayorship of the largest city in our state to a young, ultra-conservative Hispanic Republican.  I have a problem with that now, and I had a problem with it then.

Again, if you believe a majority of Houston Democrats would agree with the stand of the GOP in that questionnaire, I think you would be quite shocked. 

Bell certainly was.


[ Parent ]
Matt... (2.00 / 3)
Don't bother. This is just ANOTHER shameless, sad attempt to jump ahead with voters by disparaging the opponent without offering any substantial reasoning we should vote for their guy. I guess we're supposed to believe that Gammage is some progressive savior because he says so?
Prove it! When I think of Gammage, I think of a certain Janet Jackson hit, circa 1987... What Have You Done For Me Lately????
Their big revelation is that Chris is in debt? Who the hell isn't? Sounds like a Democrat to me!


[ Parent ]
Funny (5.00 / 1)
Your candidate is running on a platform of ethics.  Do you think it is ok to violate ethics laws?

If so, please tell me.  Tell me which ones are the "real" ethics laws and must be followed, and which ones are "trivial" and ok to disregard.  That's a mighty slippery slope your stepping on to.

If you don't find it even interesting that a guy talking about ethics doesn't bother to follow the law, well, I don't know what to say to you.

I can tell you why I am supporting Bob.  Can you give me reasons why you are supporting Bell?  What is it that has drawn you to his candidacy?  Why did you get involved?

Most of the people involved in Bob's campaign are doing it gratis.  I quit my job to join this campaign because I agree with what Bob is fighting for and why.  I like that he is talking about what the Democratic Party believes in and I like that he says what he means.  For too long, Democrats have played on the edges and avoided talking about big themes and what we truly stand for.  We haven't done that for years, and it wasn't happening in this race either.  I'd rather stand up and fight for what we really believe in -- better schools, expanded access to health care, good jobs with a good wage, the environment -- than try to be all things to all people.  I don't want a candidate who speaks softly.  I want a a candidate who carries a big stick and is going to swing it at the Republicans.

This wasn't exactly a glamour campaign that was going to get a lot of campaign staffers rich.  We're here and working because we believe in the man AND what he is trying to do for the entire Texas Democratic Party.

Those are some of the reasons I and many others are backing Bob.  Tell me, why are you backing Chris?


[ Parent ]
Gammage is a genuine Texas Hero!! (5.00 / 2)
I challenge anyone on Team Bell to name anything Bell has done that makes them proud. Bell will do and say anything, then even CHANGE what he did and said if its politically expedient.

If anyone on Team Bell accepts the challenge they should be VERY careful because whatever issue they choose, Bell will most likely change his position within a few days.

Republicans are terrified of Gammage being the Democratic nominee.

People like Delay, Rove, Perry and our President just have no clue how to deal with an honest person.

They are stunned when someone refuses to lie for money or power. These people will in Chuck Colsons words, "run over their grandmother" for power.

With them its NEVER about honor.

If you have an opponent who is a hero, McCain, Murtha, Kerry, then you SMEAR him.

You ridicule his years as a POW. No honor.

You attack ALL Marines in order to smear one Marine. No honor.

You ridicule his wounds. No honor.

You even wear "cute little band-aids" with a Purple Heart emblem to your national convention. No honor.

These people have no honor and they dont even care if we know it or not!

Republicans are 100% in support of having Chris Bell as the Democratic nominee.

If Chris Bell is the nominee, the general election is over. Rick Perry wins. A sad day for both Texas and America.

And YES, Gammage is also a personal hero of mine.

MtClint


[ Parent ]
couldn't have said it better myself... (5.00 / 1)
Thank you, Jeremy.


[ Parent ]
SANE isn't (0.00 / 0)
If they gave Bell a 100% pro-peace rating, they somehow ignored his vote for the original Iraq authorization.

[ Parent ]
Bell did not vote... (2.67 / 3)
For original Iraw war resolution. He was not serving in Congress yet.

[ Parent ]
He did, however, support the war (5.00 / 1)
Bell didn't vot for the war and no one has ever claimed that he did. Bell started claiming his 'position was the same as Wes Clark's positon",  When challenged as an untrue statement, they removed the statement from the Bell's site.

Tho' he didn't vote for the war, he nevertheless supported it in March 2003:

The Houston Press
March 27, 2003
Caught Between Iraq and a Hard Place

 
Another Democrat and former councilman, 25th District Congressman Chris Bell, took the opposite tack days earlier, at an antiwar vigil in  Karl Young  Park in southwest Houston. Bell backed the impending attack as justifiable to protect national security and eliminate the Iraqi regime's weapons of mass destruction. While he may have won some brownie points with the White House, the message was not what the Democratic crowd had gathered to hear.
 
Bell's manner as well as the substance of his remarks antagonized several listeners. According to one, he "was just annoying and seemed to be dropping names and shutting off people who tried to ask him questions. I thought we had some old Republican from Arizona talking to us instead of a Democrat."
 
Dale Napier, chair of the Democratic Anti-War Group, had invited  Bell to the vigil and called his decision to attend "courageous." On the other hand, Napier says many were so miffed by Bell's stance that they boycotted a Bell fund-raiser and considered joining the Green Party.
 
The Harris County Democratic Party steering committee tried to balance support of the military with the antiwar stance of its majority. It passed a brief resolution stating "while we support the men and women in all Branches of the Military…the Harris County Democratic party opposes a pre-emptive war against Iraq without the support of the United Nations Security Council."

http://www.houstonpress.com/Issues/2003-03-27/news/insider.html 

http://tinyurl.com/9cnud 



[ Parent ]
that's right... (5.00 / 1)
he just campaigned on support for President Bush's war of choice.

That's the same war that isn't polling so well even in Texas at this point.

If we're going to win we need someone like  Gammage.


[ Parent ]
From your own blog (3.00 / 2)
http://tinyurl.com/oturz

"I think these funding statistics go a long way towards explaining Bell’s  seemingly anomalous energy and bankruptcy votes.  When it counts, Bell’s natural constituency is the special interest groups who usually give to Republicans—not your average Texans."

Didn't object to someone else saying it, did you?

Anyway you look at it, no matter how you frame it, no matter what you call it, the point is there is a lot of Republican money behind Bell.


[ Parent ]
You may be right, but ... (5.00 / 1)
Did Bell ever resign his membership in the Texas Lyceum?  You know, that Republican leadership group in which he is/was the only "Democrat" to be invited in?

[ Parent ]
Thanks, Wanderer, for the heads up (5.00 / 1)
Bell isn't listed anymore as a 'director",  He's considered an alumni.

Just got through reading the Chronicle's archived story" Elite club polishes Texas' rising political stars from Houston Chronicle's JSC News From Home

Thu. Jan. 30, 2003

http://tinyurl.com/rr66u

Since it's an old story, some may object, but it certainly brought a lot of threads together for me.

I've posted more in the Ka'Ching journal.

http://tinyurl.com/n9m55


[ Parent ]
Perry's bad hair day (3.00 / 1)
Hey fellow Democrats, while you're so busy fragging each other, did you see Perry stammering about trying to respond to the bipartisan TSTA poll that showed him out of touch with a majority of Republicans on education funding?

TV coverage showed him trying to explain how he would raise teacher pay without any new money, but it was humid outside and his hair was really bad. Then he looked up and told the audience: "I'm proud of Texas, are you?"

Do us all a favor and remember who's the real enemy, please.


The Real Enemy (3.67 / 3)
The real enemy are those Democrats who embrace this "new mainstream" which believes compromise with the Republicans is the way to go.  As Bell's voting record in Congress indicates he will and as the endorsements of him by major newspapers use as a basis of the endorsements. 

Two of his "compromise" votes will impact all Americans until the "old mainstream" takes back the Congress and rescinds both pieces of legislation and returns public interest to both the bankruptcy code and our nation's domestic energy policy.

These "Republicrats" are the real enemy. They are the "new mainstream."

While they may not be Republicans, they certainly are not Democrats.


[ Parent ]
Bipartisanship (3.00 / 1)
This is something I posted under the "Bipartisanship is dead" journal. Read thisn and tell me that moderate Republicans and conservative Democrats are the "real enemy":

The only reason Democrats have a shot this election cycle is because of bipartisanship. The reason we don't have a voucher program in Texas is because of bipartisanship. The reason that taxes haven't already been raised for 90% of Texas families is because of bipartisanship. The reason that we have a better-than-even shot at passing a real education bill in the upcoming special session is because of bipartisanship.

I don't think the merits of bipartisanship are the philosophical divide in Texas politics. The biggest divide is where you draw the line between voting your district and taking a stance. Because there are six or seven conservative Democrats in the House whose districts voted 65% or more for Bush in 2004. Some of those Representatives are in areas that gained more than 90% approval for Prop 2 county-wide. Accordingly, some of their voting records are more "conservative" than Republicans.

Yet, those Democrats vote the right way on education issues, tax issues, and health care issues. What's more it's those conservative Democrats - and their counterparts, the moderate Republicans - that actually broker compromise and get things done (or keep some of the worst bills from ever actually coming up), because they actually listen (instead of just shouting) to one another.

If it weren't for their bipartisanship, we'd all be in a lot worse shape.



Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

[ Parent ]
Compromise requires that each side... (4.00 / 2)
give some ground. That's not happening. What you saw in the Lege with Hochberg's plan can be called bipartisanship but it was really enlightened self interest. If they'd not done what they did they would be facing a grassroots R challenger in the primary and a strong, very bold D in November.

90% of a district may have voted for Prop 2 but that doesn't make it right. In many cases the job of a Rep is to REPRESENT their constituents and sometimes that requires them to do something that may be unpopular. I'm so sick of these assholes bithcing about voting their districts, with the non-stated objective being to hold on to their seat. Does anyone get how completely devoid of any kind of integrity that is?

People are SICK of pandering and that's really what all this is. The amazing thing is that so many people in positions of the authority have such a tin ear for what's really happening in this state.

Perry is going to lose. It's going to happen. It's either going to be a Democrat or Strayhorn. If the Democrat is indistuingishable on positions from Strayhorn then she will win. It's that simple. People, even in deep East Texas, are PISSED and ready to throw EVERYONE under a bus.

One other thing, I wish everyone would stop being scared to shit of Leininger, Nau and Perry. The sooner we start talking about these assholes and making them household names the sooner we'll poison the funding well.

Compromise is great and extremely beneficial. Going along to get along is NOT. Unfortunately, many have the two confused.



[ Parent ]
Conflation of process and outcome (0.00 / 0)
Bipartisanship is not a 'Yea' or 'Nay' vote per se, rather it is a modicum of mutual respect and a recognition that people of good conscience can disagree about the best solution to a policy question.

Partisanship by and of itself is not necessarily bad either nor mutually exclusive from birpartisanship.  There were few more ardent partisans than Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan yet they shared a camaradie and mutual respect we would be well served by today.

And if bipartisanship is votes like the one referenced in the link below, we are better off if it is dead!

http://www.burntorangereport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=247


[ Parent ]
The reason that Democrats have a shot (3.50 / 2)
this election cycle isn't bipartisanship.

Its the peculiar mechanics of a 3 or 4 candidate race coupled with the fact that there is finally a backlash against the corrupt and corrupting practices of the right wing of the Republican party (oh and the overweening ambition of Carol 4+).

You referenced in your post in the other thread, 2 outstanding legislators, Bill Ratliff and Pete Laney.  What's killed their political careers?  Bipartisanship?  the Democrats standing up for Democratic values?

Nope, it's the 'shove it down their throats' attitudes of the Republican movers and shakers.

Democrats -- not Republicans -- are the ones who keep trying to 'go along to get along'.  It's killing us.

Do you think Leininger or Perry is interested in bipartisanship?  Do you think Craddick understands the meaning of the word? Not only do they not believe in the concept, they'e even trying to kill off all the moderate Republicans who agree with the idea.

Until the Democratic Party can win control again there just won't be any bipartisanship.  It's fantasy to believe anything else.


[ Parent ]
Come on... (3.00 / 1)
What happened in the Leg. last session opened the window for Bell, Gammage, and Strayhorn. I don't think I'm living in a fantasy world to think like that, either.

If Perry had passed a school finance bill, then he'd be sailing free. Gammage, Bell, and Strayhorn wouldn't be able to say "Perry's failed five times in the past three years to pass a school finance bill" if the folks on both sides of the aisle didn't stand up to the Legislature. Damn straight Democrats stood up and led the way, but the votes came from both sides of the aisle.

Of course Leininger and Perry aren't interested in bipartisanship. But heroes like Ratliff and Laney were. I want Democrats to win everywhere, but right now - at this moment - there is value in those moderate Republicans out there. Democrats can yell and scream all they want - without those moderate R votes, we'd be sunk right now. Because you can't yell and scream your way to being right when you flat out don't have the votes. You have to be willing to work together.

You know who said that? Read here:

That's why I don't like [liberal and conservative] tags, because they don't mean anything. They're just words people use to stigmatize other people. I don't like ideologues of any stripe, because those are people that aren't willing to sit down with anyone and listen to any views but their own.

-- from Part II of my Gammage interview.



Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

[ Parent ]
But you're talking about AFTER the election (5.00 / 1)
when legislation gets passed.

Democrats, moderate Republicans and even traditionally conservative Republicans of good faith have actually been bipartisan when law gets made -- in the past.  The current Republican leadership is trying to kill them off.

What does this have to do with THIS primary election?

My Democratic friends have always described me as being a 'moderate' Democrat -- not a 'flamin' liberal'.  So don't try to label me that way.

Candidates who want to look like a Republican and still wear the label "Democrat" aren't going to inspire Democrats to vote for the party ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BALLOT.

When voters don't see a clear choice, (let me emphasize CLEAR CHOICE) they'll go with the status quo -- the Democrats lose.

Winning in November will require Democrats to inspire other Democrats to stand up for Democratic candidates.  It won't be enough for candidates to say "I'm a lot like the other guy."


[ Parent ]
Damn (0.00 / 0)
Why is everyone jumping on my ass for trying to have a discussion.

I'm not calling you anything! I'm not labeling you anything! Did I say you were a flaming liberal? Jeez...

I agree that for the primary we need a strong Democrat, and when we elect and nominate candidates we want them to represent our Democratic principles.

"Winning in November will require Democrats to inspire other Democrats to stand up for Democratic candidates."

No joke. Why do you think I asked Gammage and Bell how they plan to do just that?

Ease up. I was just saying that there is value when we go pass those laws to have folks like that in the House. I wasn't talking about the Governor's race.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
How about (0.00 / 0)
From now on, I'll never write about anything that doesn't involve Gammage or Bell, b/c God forbid we talk about anything besides that...

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

[ Parent ]
Phillip, I like you (5.00 / 1)
I really do.

Went to school with a (second cousin?) of yours -- MaryEllen.

Liked her too.

Worked in Dallas with Perry's sister Milla (she got all the brains in the family).

This is a watershed year for Dems in Texas.  If we can't carry this one -- with a strong candidate like Gammage) we may as well kiss it good-bye for a decade.

It's not a 'bipartisan' year -- we've been 'bipartisaned' to death.


[ Parent ]
Thanks (5.00 / 1)
And I agree. But we're going to have to be bipartisan in a couple months if we want to pass our version of the school plan.

You're right about our shot at the Governor's race, though. I absolutely agree.

I was actually more bothered by what Snooksie was saying about the other stuff than anything else.

I'm done with this for the day.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
Fine, we'll visit it then... (0.00 / 0)
for now, it's time for blood. Today's R's have never had to fight against mean Democrats.

Phillip... I get where your coming from. However, the R leadership HAS to be beaten and badly. We have to take off the gloves and get old school mean. It's just that simple. If the moderate R's were so concerned about it they should have dealt with their trash long time ago. Instead, they took checks from him. Screw them.


[ Parent ]
Don't think (0.00 / 0)
Casteel and Geren took money from Leininger, but I know what you're saying.

And I absolutely agree that we got to get mean.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
Oh, come on Phillip (0.00 / 0)
if Perry had passed that plan, beating him and everyone that voted for it would have been easier.

[ Parent ]
That'd be Worse (3.00 / 1)
If he had passed that plan, then we would have been in even worse shape. We'd have vouchers. Everyone would have paid higher taxes for two years. We would have implemented school reform policies that were BS, and we would have lost all momentum we'd built since 2003.

Screw how it would have affected our campaigns. It would have been BAD POLICY.

We want to pass our plan, b/c it'll help families, taxpayers, parents, and children. That's it, bottom line. The fact that we stood up AND WON is helping us. Helps us in the press, in the general public opinion, and in our actual lives.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
Warren posts on Bell lack accuracy, credibility (2.50 / 4)
Jeremy Warren wrote:
You've got it exactly wrong on transit.  The GOP wanted to kill light rail.  Bell was apparently with them.

Truth:
Bell has always been a proponent of rail. He debated John Culberson on the bond referendum on KPRC TV in Houston on behalf of METRO and the pro-rail groups on the eve of the bond referendum which brought rail to Houston…He kicked his ass too.

Jeremy Warren wrote:
When Sanchez got in, Bell almost handed the mayorship of the largest city in our state to a young, ultra-conservative Hispanic Republican.  I have a problem with that now, and I had a problem with it then.

The Truth:
Bell didn’t hand the race to Sanchez at all- that assertion just shows Jeremy’s lack of understanding of Houston politics. Bell did run against Brown- it was a non-partisan race. But if Bell were not in the race- Sanchez would have won in the first round. Ultimately, Bell endorsing Brown in the run-off prevented Sanchez from winning the Mayor’s office.

Jeremy Warren wrote:
“I have a problem with that now, and I had a problem with it then.”

Oops…
He obviously didn’t have THAT much of a problem, because I know for a fact that Jeremy Warren came to DC and asked Chris Bell’s staff to hire him.  They declined. Now he runs around trashing Bell for money…not so credible. 


Metro (5.00 / 1)
Metro is a can of worms for every politician regardless of whether they  opposed it or supported it.  Some Houstonians are happy with it. Some are not.  Most agree the focus of rail is to benefit the developers and stadium owners.  Not the public. And for that reason most are not happy with the bait-and-switch tactics used to get voters to approve it. Not to mention the very confusing propositions that confused most voters. Saying you supported rail raises the question of which proposition you supported.  Or opposed.

The current "debate" about extending the line west along Richmond or Westpark is just an example of how the voters were promised one thing and then given another. Reality is the poor are relegated to the buses.  Everyone else gets rail. I'd be careful if I were a politician at this point claiming I was for rail.

As for Houston politics and its "nonpartisan" races, the reality is everything you can say about a particular race is probably both true and false. It's all about money in Houston. And power.  Not about anything else. And someone may back one candidate one day and then another the next. There is more covert operation in Houston elections than there is in the CIA.  Friends quickly become enemies. And vice versa. Depends on how much money is changing hands. And which hands the money's going into. On which day.

There were lots of questions raised just the same about Chris Bell during that mayoral campaign. Then, as now, the questions were more or less ignored and the people raising the questions were attacked and vilified. Seems to be the modus operandi of the Bell campaigns. Ignore the message.  Destroy the messenger.

I do have to ask if Jeremy Warren asked or was asked.  Big difference.



[ Parent ]
Depends on How You Ask (2.00 / 2)
"the people raising the questions were attacked and vilified."

Why it's OK for you to attack and no one else to attack is still - and always will be - beyond me.

By the way, I wasn't attacked when I asked Bell about the bankruptcy bill in my interview. I think I've gotten the only answer from that. Maybe because I wasn't attacking when I asked the question.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
Where's the answer then? (3.00 / 2)
"I think I've gotten the only answer from that."

Bell said among other things that he voted for the bill because it would help victims of domestic violence.

I asked just how it would help them. I have yet to see an answer. As far as I can see it will just further victimize them.  All these "100% ratings" he has by the way don't include any ratings on these type of women's issues. Why not?

Reality is when he told you that, it just sounded good. The way his speech to the Houston Forum about changing the "10 Percent" admissions policy just sounded good.  Until Rodney Ellis and John Whitmire read it.  Then I guess it didn't sound too good.

You probably weren't attacked because you didn't do any followup on his answers. Just sat there and like the good Bell supporter just took it all down and then put it together and published it as if that constituted "news" when in fact it didn't.  Learn to probe a little deeper when doing interviews.  In this case, you should have just worked off a press release or a media kit.


[ Parent ]
Give me a Break (3.00 / 1)
My interviews weren't good enough, huh? Then why'd you write this?:

Phillip gets a "A"

Your inclusion of two of the most argued about questions raised of both candidates just makes both interviews that much more balanced.

Both have now responded to the questions raised. And we can draw our own conclusions.

Get. Off. My. Back.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
You got an "A" (1.00 / 1)
But then the issue of his answer came up. So go get another "A."


[ Parent ]
I'm not (5.00 / 1)
your servant. Get it yourself.

Thanks, Texas_Kat. I'm glad some people remember that we're still college students, have jobs, have classes, are writing our thesis, and are trying to enjoy our lives...

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
Not a declared Bell supporter (5.00 / 2)
Phillip's done a good job in trying to stay balanced in all this and he's never indicated that he's a Bell supporter (so far as I've ever seen).

I don't always agree with him, but he's neither an investigative reporter nor a full time journalist.

Even then, he's done a credible job asking questions and should be commended.  I don't think Bell had ever admitted not paying attention before.

If some of the Media had asked hard questions before now instead of running with the 'Bell meme', I doubt we'd even have to have this conversation.

So lighten up. 


[ Parent ]
You're in the know - Bell's vote on Bankruptcy 'reform?' (0.00 / 0)
You are clearly knowledgeable and connected on the inside of the Bell camp, any insight into the vote for the finance lobby's bankruptcy 'reform' bill?

More information in my journal here:
http://www.burntorangereport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=247


[ Parent ]
Wow (1.00 / 1)
Eric, I am a Democratic consultant an offered my opposition research services to Bell in 2003 as he got ready for 2004.  I didn't ask his "staff to hire" me.  I offered to help him as I offered many other Democrats in state and federal office in 2003 and 2004.  He didn't hire our firm.  Alma Allen did. 

My statements above are 100 percent correct.  Unless Bell is stating that the GOP questionnaire that he filled out is incorretct.  So, why did he side with the GOP on their rail question (and nine others)?  Because he was trying to get their votes.  If he was so strong on rail, why did he tell the GOP he was with them?

I also stated that Bell "almost" handed the mayorship of Houston to a conservative Hispanic Republican.  Or are you claiming that Sanchez is "non-partisan".  A straight up, head-to-head between Brown and Sanchez would have been a Brown victory. It was Bell's siphoning of Democrats while Sanchez held the base GOP that made the race a toss-up.  Don't take my word for it, go read what George Strong and Craig Varoga were saying amd writing at the time.

You honestly expect us to believe that it was Bell's endorsement of Brown that prevented Sanchez from winning?  Please share whatever it is you are taking.


[ Parent ]
For goodness sakes.... Eric Burns... (0.00 / 0)
Long time, no talk to....former communications director for Chris Bell in DC.

How's the weather?


[ Parent ]
interesting... (0.00 / 0)
and how much are you being paid by the Bell campaign to carry water for Chris?

Jeremy's never tried to hide who he is. Why do you?


[ Parent ]
I don't think he can get paid.... (0.00 / 0)
he's on somebody else's committee staff at the moment.

He's been here before when Chris needed 'communications' help.  Wonder what that means?


[ Parent ]
get a clue...stop eating your own (2.33 / 3)
Someone wrote up in the string that:

"Republicans are terrified of Gammage being the Democratic nominee.

People like Delay, Rove, Perry and our President just have no clue how to deal with an honest person."

I don't think they are exactly quaking in their boots over the juggernaut that is the gammage campaign. And I hate to break it to baby Snooks, but they don't sit around talking about the Dirty 30 from years back either. No one does- except Gammage- which is ,in part, why he is losing the race. Just read all the major paper endorsements of Bell and they basically say exactly that.

But you gammagites seem to be a particularly vindicitive and nasty crew.

You claim to want Democrats to win- but dems step up to the plate you trash them horribly and try to spin ridiculous conspiracy theories and engage in character assasination of the worst kind.

It is really sad. Most Bell supporters I know( me included) respect Gammage for his service, they just think he isn't the guy for this time and this race...but you gammageites don't give others their due, and your venom reflects poorly on your candidate and his campaign.

the bottom line is the Republicans aren't scared of Texas Democrats right now. They should be- but as a group they are arrogant and overconfident...and that is the best weapon we have as the democratic party in this race.

So lets end the fantasy role playing that bush is sitting at 1600 pennsylvania right now ringing his hands about bob gammage. not happening.

And lets take a lesson from the R's and stop eating our own all the damn time...it is getting really old.


Unbelievable (3.00 / 2)
"...and engage in character assasination of the worst kind."

What character assassination has anyone who supports Bob Gammage engaged in? All I've seen are legitimate questions raised about Chris Bell which Bell and his campaign and his supporters continue to ignore.  The real character assassination in this race is reflected by the letter the Dirty Dozen signed off on that misrepresented facts and implied that Bob Gammage was not pro-choice and would not defend a woman's right to choose.  A very important issue at this time given what is happening in South Dakota.  And one that deserves attention by all Democrats. Attention on facts. Not on misrepresentations.

Again, the modus operandi of the Bell campaigns seem to be ignore the message and destroy the messenger.

You seem to take the curious attitude that once Chris Bell announced, no other Democrat should have challenged him.  As already pointed out, quite a few reacted to that announcement by sending checks to Carole Strayhorn.

That in itself doesn't exactly signal overwhelming support for Chris Bell.


[ Parent ]
Oh Horsesh!t - take a cheap shot then cry foul (3.00 / 2)
Puhleeeeze...

Sorry you can't take a counterpunch, but when the Bell camp started down this rock throwing road they must not of looked at their own glass panes.

Starting with the choice issue and continuing with FISA, we have two issues where Bell supporters made heinous distortions of Bob Gammage's service to Texans and questioned his credentials as a Democrat.

Its too bad you aren't down with the sound of glass breaking, but y'all should of looked at your house before picking up that first stone.  One thing about the energized grass roots and net roots working for Bob Gammage - we aren't afraid of a fight and we sure as hell are not going to lay down for the crap the Bell camp has been serving up.


[ Parent ]
Well, I've never been impressed with Chris... (1.00 / 1)
except for once and that was only related to his ability to keep speaking for hour after endless hour.

Nasty? Snarky, maybe, but not nasty. You'd be crying right now if I was REALLY nasty. Chris has always been whiney. I guess it runs in his staff as well.



[ Parent ]
bankruptcy/ANWR (2.00 / 2)
This is my opinion only...While I enthusiastically support Bell, I don’t speak for him or his campaign or work for him...

First, the version Bell voted for in the 108th didn't get signed into law- that was a slightly different bill. The version in this congress did-which quite a few Dems supported still. 

The bankruptcy bill has been a tough deal for a lot of Congressional Dems and it is more a commentary on how screwed up this republican run congress is than on the members personally 

During the 108th Congress- the only noise about the BR bill was from a lot of reform groups and credit unions supporting the bill. The really damaging impact of the bill just wasn't realized in Washington on a wide scale. I am not saying NO ONE  knew it- I am saying it just wasn't widely understood that way. 

And to be truly fair, There were some reform and consumer protection measures in the bill that were heavily touted-as I recall.

But it was and is a bad bill overall...and that is not an excuse for anyone- just an explanation of what was happening in DC at the time.

As someone who has worked on the hill- I would submit that, particularly under this republican leadership, there is a lot of misinformation on these bills and a lot of bad choices for dem membes to face. it didnt used to be that way.

They dont allow debate- they dont allow amendments. they hold votes open. they bring up bills no one has even read...they ram them onto the floor without committee hearings.

It is much worse than anyone realizes.

Bell's vote was one he would take back I would guess. A lot of good dems would say that about this bill. I don’t have as much sympathy for ones who voted for it this time- but even some of those folks are good democrats overall. Everyone in Congress has a few they want to take back- there are just so many and members often have very limited info. 

The important thing is that it was just one series of votes- not a career of votes for a bad issue, or a set of six different bills over the course of a congress- that would indicate a problem folks should be really worried about.

I would imagine Bell is very sensitive to the problems with the bill that got passed this congress and I think he worries about the impact of credit scoring and the continued consolidation of the finance industry and the fact that it gets harder and harder to get out from under mounting debt for working people. I have always seen him to be a passionate consumer protection advocate.

The other thing I see gammageites try go after Bell for is ANWR.

That is a direct misrepresentation of Bell's position...

and what is funny is when they go after bell on that vote- they are also going after other dems like chet edwards, sheila jackson lee, gene green, martin frost and a host of others- who all voted just like bell did.

most texas dems voted against ANWR twice on stand alone votes. But they did vote for the overall energy omnibus package- which is a HUGE bill that, being Houston members or from an obvious energy state like Texas, would have been ridiculous for them to oppose.  The R's snuck the ANWR line in at the end- it was one line of a bill that was hundreds of pages long- and the ANWR language got pulled in Conference...which everyone knew would happen anyway. That is why almost every major Texas Dem voted for the energy bill.

A vote for that bill was not a vote for ANWR

Gammage’s people try to spin it to suggest Bell supports ANWR- but even Jeremy Warren knows that isn't true.


There were so many consumer measures (3.00 / 2)
That virtually every consumer orgainzation urged the bankruptcy bill's defeat.

You and Bell are trying to have it both ways.  You attack Gammage for votes 30 years ago (and completely twist them, by the way.  The "voted against affirmative action" attack couldn't have been more false), and then cry when we point out the very real and very recent votes of Mr. Bell.

Bell early on said you can't run on your record and away from it.  Words to live by.

Today, the Bell camp all but cried that we are pointing out that he hasn't filed his personal finance statement.  As if complete mis-steps and violations of the law WON'T be pounded on by Rick Perry and the Republicans if he wins the nomination.

If you don't like being criticized for your votes and for failing to follow the law, tough. 


[ Parent ]
Please (5.00 / 1)
I have said over and over again that Bell voted in favor of the Bush/Cheney Energy Bill, which included drilling in ANWR.

You can spin all you want, but you can't change the fundamental fact that he voted for the Bush/Cheney Energy bill.  That it offered big oil companies $37 billion in tax breaks AND that it opened the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling.

Please let me know how any of the above is false in any way. 


[ Parent ]
Not JUST about ANWAR, worse than that (5.00 / 1)
$37 billion in goodies for the energy industries, relaxing pollution rules, allowing free drilling on public lands and in the ANWR?

One of the worst environmental bills in recent history? 

This bill was a gut-check for both parties.  207 Republicans voted for it, only 17 voted no.  Only 40 Democrats voted for the bill - 157 Democrats
voted against it.  It took Democratic defectors to get the bill out of the House, and it might have become law if a coalition of Senators hadn't gagged over its noxious provisions and blocked it.

The League of Conservation Voters called the energy bill "a witches brew of harmful environmental policies, corporate giveaways and  blatant pork barrel spending."

According to the LCV in its 2003 Scorecard,  "a loose coalition of pro-environmental and true fiscal conservative Senators, have thus far partnered to derail its passage, but their efforts have succeeded only because of overreaching by Republican leaders. 

A provision in the "energy" bill that would have allowed the producers of the fuel additive MTBE to escape liability for health  and economic ramifications of their product, coupled with  subsidies for shopping center developments under the guise  of “green bonds”.

Dubbed by Arizona Senator John McCain (R) as the “Leave-No-Lobbyist-Behind” bill.

You're right, it wasn't JUST about ANWAR.  It was much bigger than that.


[ Parent ]
I LOVE it when... (3.00 / 2)
legislative aides 'splain things to the simple folks back home, don't y'all?

He voted for the bill. Period. Bob doesn't get to run from his record and neither does Chris.


[ Parent ]
How many voted "No?" (0.00 / 0)
How many Democrats voted "No" on these two bills? They voted "No." So why didn't Chris Bell?  If you don't believe something is right, you don't vote for it. But he did. End of subject as far as I'm concerned.

And I'm tired of hearing about how Bob Gammage voted against federally funded abortions 30 years ago. Some Democrats thought that was wrong then. They think it is wrong now. That does not make them "anti-choice." It just means they believe people who go around screwing like rabbits should either stop screwing around like rabbits or pay for the abortion themselves.  And I'm one of them who believe that. The point is, he voted according to how his constituents felt 30 years ago. And shouldn't have "regretted" the vote. Chris Bell, however, did not vote the way his constituents felt 30 years later.  Or do constituents simply not matter when they become central to the argument you are attempting to make?

I'm more worried about what is happening in South Dakota. And what might happen when what is happening in South Dakota makes it to the Supreme Court.  And what worries me are the public statements about "reducing the number of abortions" that Chris Bell has made. We need a governor who will protect the right to abortion in this state. Unlike the governor in South Dakota. Bob Gammage doesn't talk about reducing the number of abortions. He just simply talks about the right to abortion.  Like I said, the difference between these two men is the difference between day and night.  Gammage is like a forecast for a bright sunny day. Bell is like a forecast for a dark dreary night.

"But they did vote for the overall energy omnibus package- which is a HUGE bill that, being Houston members or from an obvious energy state like Texas, would have been ridiculous for them to oppose."

Who do they represent? The oil and gas industry or the people who elected them? This bill was not in the people's interest. It was in fact only in the interest of the oil and gas industry.

We didn't send them to Washington to represent the oil and gas industry. We sent them to Washington to represent us.  And anyone who voted for this did not represent us.


[ Parent ]
FYI... (3.00 / 1)
Is Perry going to do what a majority of Texans want? Nope. Will Snooksie vote for Perry if Bell wins? Yup. Is that hypocritical? Not in the world of Snooksie. Read below to find out why.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

[ Parent ]
fight fair- not dirty (2.00 / 2)
well, all i am saying is there is fair fighting and there is dirty fighting and most of the stuff i see on this site is either:

1. factually wrong or misleading

or

2. it is really nasty and offensive, like...suggesting bell is a republican. or going after DEMS who gave him money. or attacking his wife.

these guys (bell and gammage) SHOULD argue over votes and positions- that is a campaign- and that is what i see bell doing.

i see gammage's people( not necessarily him) using nasty stuff everyday- just look at any baby snooks entry.  Jeremy Warren even threw out the tired old lame law license stuff that is meaningless. He also suggested bell owes back taxes which is a lieor that bell isn't ethical

people here have tried to discredit bell's ethics complaint- which makes them look stupid- but they do it anyway. do i really need to continue?????

what is said about gammage... he took bad votes(which he did- a bunch of them) and that his time has come and gone.... which is a matter of opinion and certainly not a negative or personal attack

there have been TONS of negaitve personal attacks on Bell and i think that sucks for a bunch of suppossed democrats and I think baby snooks sucks especially for being nasty and wrong 90% percent of the time.

THAT is what i am saying.

and BTW- i remember GAMMAGE starting the fight- not Bell. When gammage got in the race- he started making snarky comments about Bell.  and ya know what- who cares? that is poltics- but y'all are something else here on BOR- some of you should really look in the mirror...baby snooks and a few others especially.


I'm curious as to what you are talking about (5.00 / 1)
Admittedly I don't follow every little development in either campaign, but I don't remember Gammage saying anything snarky whatsoever about Bell until after Bell used his oppo research team to try to portray Gammage as anti-choice. 

I got that one in my email because at first I tepidly supported Bell and I signed up for his emails.  However, I liked Gammage better when he decided to run because I found Bell to be totally uninspiring--unlike Gammage.

As far as I can remember up to the point of being smeared by Bell on that one issue, Gammage aimed his campaign totally at Perry, not at Bell.

(See Houston State Rep. Debra Danburg says, "Bell Painted False Picture" of Gammage record on Choice - Gammage has a Strong Record on Choice)

http://tinyurl.com/nwld7

That distorted email, however, made me angry enough to start looking further into Bell himself and what I saw was not reassuring.

See my comment titled  "Two Things" at:
http://tinyurl.com/bd7lb


[ Parent ]
SBerta - that's right... (3.00 / 2)
nice to see I'm not the only one with a clear memory.

Texasdem1 - you guys opened the door. In fact, we were content to focus exclusively on Perry. All it got us was the retard love letter from Liz and Sarah, via Bell's distribution list.

Did you think no one was going to call bullshit on it?


[ Parent ]
Damn, you are stupid... (3.00 / 2)
it wasn't Bob making those comments. IT WAS DAMN NEAR EVERY DEMOCRAT IN THE STATE WHO'S NOT ON BELLS PAYROLL.

If anything Bob's been unfailingly nice to Chris but that's not good enough for him, is it?

Whine-o-matic. Get over it.


[ Parent ]
Whine-o-matic? (1.00 / 1)
Mr. The Trey, I need lessons from you in retort and rhetoric.


[ Parent ]
Gammage ran against Perry until Bell letter (1.00 / 1)
Y'all are coming off kind of whiny after turning it into a punchfest...  Bob basically ignored Bell until the first of the smear by proxy attacks from the Bell camp.

So now you know you're in a brawl.  Doesn't do much for the level of the debate but none of us are inclined to take any crap and some of us do some damn fine research on the web (props to SBertha!).

I suggest a little mirror time on item #2 - are the most offensive items the ones you don't have an answer for?


[ Parent ]
More like right 90% of the time (1.00 / 2)
I would point out that 90% of the time I've merely pointed out what is in black and white.  You want to know what the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct stated in the letter to Chris Bell since you obviously can't read? I suggest you contact the Democrats on the committee and ask them.

And what was stated in that letter pretty much has been borne out by his campaign for governor. Including his obviously being motivated to file the ethics complaint against Tom De Lay for one purpose. The purpose stated in the letter. To provide a platform that would give him a political advantage in another run for public office.

You don't know personal and nasty. I could get extremely personal and nasty.  And probably give Karl a heart attack before he deleted it. I don't know either of the Bells apart from meeting them one time. But because of a personal situation involving them, I have nothing nice to say about either of them. Neither do quite a few other people because of that situation.

I'm looking only at Chris Bell the politician. Nothing more. At his record. At his public statements.  At his actions and the way he has conducted his campaign. 

Again, I would vote for Rick Perry on those three bases before I would ever vote for Chris Bell.


[ Parent ]
NEWS: Warren trying to prep Bell for general election (2.00 / 2)
and BTW- Bell can take a punch. he is taking them- just as he has before- and just as he will continue to... and he will win this primary and everyone on this blog knows it.

And maybe Jeremy Warren is right...all his attacks will season Bell up for the big fight against Rick Perry in November.

Thanks Jeremy


i'm... (0.00 / 0)
afraid Bell will win...but I don't know anyone voting for him in my cirlce-o-friends.

That at least makes me feel better...


[ Parent ]
Don't believe it for a second (5.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
I, (3.00 / 2)
for one, hope you are right Texas_Kat.

Gammage has excited me like no other Democrat has in my 6 years of voting (except Max Sandlin, of course) and in a race that is all about keeping the Democrats together, who better than Gammage?

Snooze-fest Bell can't keep a room awake, let alone Democrats together.


[ Parent ]
Part of the Bell 'stratrergy' (3.00 / 2)
is to bootstrap that crappy DMN poll into something serious. No one in their right mind believes it was significant.

For instance.... did it sample higher turnout areas (like the Cuellar-Ciro race) more or were the calls 'evenly distributed' based on a previous campaign (probably the 2004 race).

How did they screen "likely Texas Democratic primary" voters? All self-identified?  Were they working off a DDD list?  What?

Low turnout races are about ground organization, not casual voters. This is likely to be a low-turnout race in most areas.

It's why "names' on an endorsement list don't matter unless the 'names' bring volunteers and actual feet on the street.  Endorsing organizations usually bring along volunteers.

Look at Sweetwater. It's only a few voters, but it's a microcosm:

http://tinyurl.com/kxy38

A total of 144 people have voted in the primary election as of Wednesday, Feb. 22.

Early voting began on Tuesday at the County Clerk's office. A total of 109 people voted in the Democratic primary. Thirty-five cast their ballots in the Republican primary.

We have volunteers all over the state... even Sweetwater. :)


[ Parent ]
OK (0.00 / 0)
Find me another poll that has a 20% sample of likely Democratic primary voters. That's a huge sample for just a paper to have. Normally you don't get that unless you're doing targeted polling.

Just saying, is all...


Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
Take it for what it is (0.00 / 0)
May be close on the 4 way race.

Probably wildly off on the 2 way race.

If you want to debate the difference between 'worthless' and 'virtually worthless', fine.

I'm hoping Bell believes the numbers, myself  ,)


[ Parent ]
Yeah (0.00 / 0)
Speaking of numbers -- did you all see the TSTA poll? Did anyone? I only for four comments, and I don't know if that's b/c no one read it, or b/c no one needed to argue about it...

There was some seriously good stuff in that poll for Dems...

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
Yes, I saw it (0.00 / 0)
It's something Bob's actually been talking about -- before the poll.

Texans tax themselves all the time (via bond issues for instance), when they see a need and can directly help solve a problem.

At the risk of it becoming a campaign commerical, we need to (as he said) get all options on the table, including the dreaded 'incometax' word.

Why does that word scare politicians so badly?


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Read our lips - No more taxes (0.00 / 0)
Most people are taxed to death as it is and any way you present it, the people of Texas will look upon a state income tax as just another tax on top of the other taxes and, well, thanks but no thanks.  Were it to replace another tax, perhaps. But as another tax, well, forget it.

Hate to say it but the only tax the people of Texas will support at this point is a franchise tax on those who don't already pay the franchise tax. And I don't care what the polls say. If anything it shows how unreliable polls are.  Go ask ten people on the street if they would support a state income tax. 

The message to send to Austin is the message Austin has sent to us - if you can't live within your means, lower your living standard. Most of us have lowered our standard of living.  Those of us who pay the taxes.  The ones who don't pay the taxes are the ones enjoying this wonderful economy. Made wonderful for them by the constant free ride given them by the Texas legislature.

And then there's waste. Does anyone really know how much of our tax dollars is wasted by the legislature in its appropriations?  Austin is just as adept at pork barrel funding as Washington.  Has anyone ever really looked at how much taxpayer money goes to study, say, the mating habits of cuckoo birds in our state parks? Conducted of course by some university professor whose brother-in-law is a major contributor to the representative who slipped it into the appropriations bill. To the tune of $5 million. 

Far more is wasted there than the Enterprise Fund.  Little things that in themselves don't seem like much. Until you add them all together. And realize you could probably subsidize student tuition for a semester or two at our state universities with the money.

Most of our larger cities hire lobbying firms, for instance, to represent them in Austin.  Why don't the mayors represent the cities instead? Isn't that what we elect them to do?  Does anyone really look at what our cities spend on lobbyists and outside law firms and all sorts of "studies" for things that really don't need to be studied?

As for education funding, if HISD is any indication, there is quite a bit of waste in our public education funding system. And the legislature just wants to add more money for the districts to waste. What that really comes down to when you talk about raising property taxes or sales taxes to pay for education. If the state isn't paying enough per the courts, well, then the state should simply live within its means.  That means the legislature should get their priorities straight. 

Giving themselves a pay raise and using the excuse that they "had" to give the judges a pay raise is not reflective of a legislature that has its priorities straight.  Judges don't do too badly.  They didn't need a pay raise. Neither did the legislature. The legislature should have told the judges, and themselves, that the state could not afford a pay raise and they could look elsewhere for a job if they didn't like it. Isn't that what most of us are told in this wonderful economy?

They cut funding to a program to subsidize electric bills for the poor which is still being paid for by every ratepayer in this state. They cut the program but kept the money for themselves.  I think Sylvester Turner and Senfronia Thompson spoke out.  The rest of them just sat there and said nothing. Most of them probably trying to figure out how much they could divert to their buddies and their brother-in-laws. To study, say, the mating habits of cuckoo birds in our state parks. 

Do you really think we are going to trust them when they say a state income tax will actually lower our taxes?  No way. 

They give billions of dollars of revenue away each year to special interest groups. By excluding those groups from taxation.  When those people start paying taxes, then maybe we will talk state income tax.  Until then, good luck trying to get the people of Texas to approve it.

"Texans tax themselves all the time (via bond issues for instance), when they see a need and can directly help solve a problem."

Used to.  In Houston, several of those bond issues are reportedly close to default.  Makes some of us a little wary finally of bond issues. 

We are tired of the tax and spend philosophy.  We want some cash and carry finally.  No more credit. 

Promoting a state income tax will probably be Carole Strayhorn's undoing.  I hope it doesn't prove to be Bob Gammage's undoing as well.

 


[ Parent ]
I've... (3.00 / 1)
Did you even look at that TSTA poll? This wasn't some half-ass poll. It had an extraordinarly accurate sample of how voters breakdown statewide. It was done by two of the most respected pollsters in the country. One Republican. One Democrat.

Oh no! Nevermind. One Republican, one Democrat. A Republican touched it. It's automatically a terrible poll. Unless Rick Perry made, in which case you might support it. Right?

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
I've (0.00 / 0)
Did you even look at that TSTA poll? This wasn't some half-ass poll. It had an extraordinarly accurate sample of how voters breakdown statewide. It was done by two of the most respected pollsters in the country. One Republican. One Democrat.

Oh no! Nevermind. One Republican, one Democrat. A Republican touched it. It's automatically a terrible poll. Unless Rick Perry made, in which case you might support it. Right?

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
OK, Snooks... you don't get it... (2.00 / 1)
WASTE IS EVERYWHERE from private companies to the public sector. It's a human thing, get over it.

Oh, and try running that bullshit about waste in front of a bunch of teachers these days. I don't think you'd make it out of the building unharmed. Rep. Brown is learning all about that right now. If it's not the primary, then it's the general but the bitch is going down.

As for your keen insight on the mood of the populace, the polling is very solid. It's time for the debate, and Gammage is just the guy get a majority on board.


[ Parent ]
So is corruption (0.00 / 0)
Corruption is a "human thing" also - so I suppose we should just get over it?

Again, go ask ten people on the street if they would support a state income tax. 


[ Parent ]
yeah, that too... (2.00 / 1)
Humans beings aren't perfect. Government is run by human beings. Therefore, government is not perfect.

It doesn't mean we should root out the waste and corruption. What it means is that we should not indict the entire system because of minor problems. You seem to be an advocate for throwing the baby out with the bath water. That's not a solution.


[ Parent ]
No I don't (0.00 / 0)
I advocate taking the baby out of the bathtub and throwing the bathtub out along with the bathwater.


[ Parent ]
Street fight! (then block, precinct, district, county, state!) (0.00 / 0)
Low turnout elections CAN be driven by a ground game - organization, inspired volunteers and oh yeah, an @ss kicking candidate to get the troops fired up - because then the personal contact drives the voting behavior.

And oh my goodness we are some inspired volunteers!


[ Parent ]
Shoeleather & sweat equity (0.00 / 0)
While the percentage bet is where the money is, the ultimate currency of elections is NOT the almighty dollar.  It is the vote cast by the individual citizen, who are a curious and sometimes ornery lot who do what they want and not always what the overpaid consultant says they will.

And when that happens it is almost always because of "blood, sweat, tears and toil," a real shoeleather campaign where votes turn on personal contacts by people in a particular community to other people in that community.  It ain't easy and it's no sure thing but it HAS been done...

And most successfully by candidates who can personally and directly inspire everyday women and men to get involved, get politically active and get out the vote.  THAT is the kind of campaign we are participating in for Bob Gammage.


[ Parent ]
I know of five people in Travis County... (5.00 / 1)
who are voting for him. I met the fifth one today. His wife, on the other hand is voting for Bob.

You know, it's amazing when you look at a county like Travis to see just about every progressive organization endorse Bob. Did anyone in Austin metro endorse Chris? Maybe Mike Krusee?


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