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"Read My Lips- I Don't Know"


by: Karl-Thomas Musselman

Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 10:30 AM CDT


For the last few days, I've heard repeated claims that Kinky is all over "the issues" with everyone linking to his rather light on the 'issues' page.

His campaign can't decide- is he a comedian or a candidate? Should we make an endless string of wisecracks or actually talk about policy?

Well, that's pretty simple as was made clear in Friedman's so called "worst interview" from the other week.

But while many opponents say Friedman is thick on jokes, they also say he is thin on the issues.

"I'm not serious about some issues," Friedman said. "I don't think people really, you know, I don't think they want to hear a bunch of rehearsed crap."

Considering I've heard his campaign jokes about a dozen times each now, you wonder who's got a whole stock of rehearsed lines.

In the interview, getting beyond the quips to learn details of what Friedman would do as governor on critical matters could be a challenge.

"I favor remember the Alamo," Friedman said when asked about his stance on immigration.

Friedman said he had no "specific plans" when it came to the issue in Texas.

"I can give you, 'Oh, I'd do A,B, C and D;' that's nonsense," he said.

Nonsense. Yeah, because when bills are actually passed in the legislature, they don't have to actually write anything down that's specific at all. They just wander around talking about various 'non-specific' plans.

Texas homeowners pay the highest insurance rates in the nation. Yet, as the interview went on, Friedman was low on details to cut them.

"I'd get the career politicians," he said when asked what he would do to lower homeowner insurance premiums. "I'd kick their [expletive] out of politics. That's what I'd do."

But while kicking politicians out, Friedman said he would like to put back in the Ten Commandments and mandatory prayer for students in Texas public schools despite court rulings to the contrary.

So after Kinky kicks the career politicians out, which I assume will happen either by ordering them to leave the state for Ardmore or locking himself inside the Senate chambers, then what? He lets them back in? What?

Or, we could wait to have some effective legislating from the man of explatives.

"All the little issues you're talking about are all (expletive)," he said. "It's all (expletives). That's the key. Okay, I mean, you can talk about, 'And I would deregulate this; and my plans is to give a seven percent raise on the textbook.' It's all (expletive) because the people who are doing this are crooks and they're corrupt and they don't give a (expletive) about the people of Texas. That's the truth."

It's pretty clear. Kinky isn't running to talk about issues. He's like the Energizer Bunny- he's running, and running, and running... with no end or purpose in sight.

In the debates, why not just use this for all your live responses?

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Every politician has stock phrases and lines. (0.00 / 0)
For example, how many times have you heard Chris Bell say he's big on Texas? Just because Kinky's are more quoteworthy than Bell's doesn't set him apart from other candidates in this race.

There are plenty of things Kinky takes seriously. You can find those things here:

www.kinkyfriedman.com/issues


Kinky's Issues Versus Votes (0.00 / 0)
I've read Kinky on the issues and thought that he sounded pretty liberal.  Even his priorities on the page you sent could easily be pulled from the Texas Democratic Party Platform. 

So why on God's green Earth did he vote for George W. Bush in 2004?  Every problem he mentions on that list has been exacerbated by Bush.  Since Kinky has no other political experience, his most significant political statement was this vote for Bush.

Last week I sent Kinky's campaign the following email:

Dear Mr. Friedman,

I am a Democrat, and I supported John Kerry in the last presidential election.  I am currently an undecided voter for the 2006 gubinatorial race, but I have a simple question for you:

Given what you know now about Iraq, Katrina, the Medicare Drug Plan, etc., do you regret your vote for George W. Bush in 2004?

Sincerely,
XXXXXXX
Arlington, Texas

I have not yet received a response.


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From the Dem platform? (0.00 / 0)
I'd argue that many elements of Kinky's platform could only be part of a Democratic platform in a universe where the Democratic party of Texas knew what the hell it stood for. Gay marriage, abortion rights, alternative energy, criminal justice reform - these are all thing the current Democratic party runs from like they came bearing tainted spinach. Which is why they don't deserve to hold the Governor's mansion.

That said, I can't tell you why Kinky Friedman voted for Bush, not being Kinky Friedman.


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Have Your Read It? (0.00 / 0)
First off, none of those topics are the on issues page you sent.  But, I will give Kinky credit for putting them on the faq page.

That said, here is the TDP Platform

For abortion rights, check out the section on "Choice and Family Planning."
For altenative energy, check out the section on "Economic Security: Providing Good Jobs in a Growing Economy," "The Environment," and "Energy."
For criminal justice reform, check out the sections on "Public Safety," "Juvenile Justice," "Adult Corrections," "Sexual Assault and Family and Domestic Violence," and "Capital Punishment."

The only one not on that list is gay marriage, but here is what the it says:

"We believe our Constitution is intended to protect our freedoms; Republicans seek ways to ignore or deny those protections.  Democrats believe our Constitution is intended to prohibit discrimination in all forms; Republicans wish to make it a tool of discrimination."

Honestly, I'm not in love with this document, and I would prefer it to be more bold. 

Unfortunately, Kinky's supposedly bold positions cannot be reconciled with his vote for Bush.  Without this reconciliaton, no one should believe their authenticity.


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Abortion rights? You realize, don't you, that Perry and Strayhorn also (0.00 / 0)
agree that abortion should remain legal. That's also as far as Kinky's "pro-choice" position goes so he's no more and no less "pro-choice" than Strayhorn or Perry.  In fact, Kinky is LESS "pro-choice" than Perry or Strayhorn because he he has agreed on Dan Patrick's live radio talk show that Kinky would sign Patrick's "trigger bill" which would provide that if the Supreme Court overrules Roe v. Wade abortion shall immediately become completely illegal throughout Texas with no exceptions for rape, no exceptions for incest, no exceptions for the life of the mother, no exceptions whatsoever.

Strayhorn and Perry would not commit to signing Patrick's bill, and Bell pledged to veto it, but Kinky told a huge conservative radio audience he'd sign it.


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Strayhorn and Bell (0.00 / 0)
To be honest, while I've heard Strayhorn and Bell say they support abortion rights (with restrictions) Kinky's the only one whose been strongly and unambiguously in support of a woman's right to choice from the beginning. He's certainly the only candidate with that sort of language on his website.

I'm a little wary of Strayhorn and Bell on this, as theoretically Perry supports abortion rights "with restrictions." I think we can all agree Perry's definition of "with restrictions" is unacceptable I'd like to hear both Bell and Strayhorn be much more upfront about where they stand on a woman's right to her own body.

In any case, Kinky screwed up when he was on Patrick's show; the campaign's been completely upfront about that. Kinky remains, as always, the strongest advocate of abortion rights in this race.


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Bell On Abortion (0.00 / 0)
Kinky remains, as always, the strongest advocate of abortion rights in this race.

Are you serious?

Chris Bell on abortion


Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)

Abortion rights supporters back Bell for governor

Twelve prominent female supporters of abortion rights, including attorney Sarah Weddington, who argued the landmark U.S. Supreme Court case legalizing abortion in 1973, have endorsed Democrat Chris Bell for governor.

Cornyn: Expect Texas Bush boost; Bell: Anti-abortion law won't fly

Democratic candidate for governor Chris Bell said Friday that he would veto proposed attempts to pre-emptively outlaw abortion in Texas in the event that the U.S. Supreme Court overturns the landmark Roe v. Wade decision.

A Houston-area candidate for the state Senate has promised to propose a so-called trigger law during the next legislative session.

"I would veto that," Bell told The Associated Press. "I think the majority of Texans are still pro-choice. I don't think they're pro-abortion, but they understand that there are instances where that very painful choice is going to have to be made."

And finally, as I keep saying, the most important decision Kinky has made on a women's right to choose has been his vote for George W. Bush for President in 2004, which was an implicit vote to put Alito and Roberts on the Supreme Court.


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Kinky promised not to veto (0.00 / 0)
the trigger bill on Dan Patrick's show.

As someone who owns a womb, that doesn't sound like a guy who's going to be protecting my right to choose.

At the very best it sounds like a pandering polician, and at worst, it sounds like a fundie who wants to get the 10 commandments back in the schools as well.

Oh, wait...

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Yeah, Kinky fucked up. (0.00 / 0)
It's really that simple. Again, nowhere on Bell's website does he mention supporting abortion rights. Because there's no votes in being upfront about that when you're a Democrat.

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Stop lying (0.00 / 0)
Here.

Here.

Here.

Here.

Here.

All spots on his website. Took me 1 minute to actually look and find that.

It's one thing to debate -- it's another to troll through a website and purport lies. You've been pretty good about it, but I've seen a number of instances (like this) where you're just straight up lying.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


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Where in those links (0.00 / 0)
Does Bell say "I support a woman's right to choose." That's the language on Kinky's website.

This is what we get from Bell:

"I know a lot of people who are pro-choice, and I know a lot of people who call themselves pro-life. But I don’t know anyone who is pro-abortion. Nobody likes abortion. We’re all comfortable saying that abortion should be safe, legal and rare, but Democrats should not be shy about saying just how rare we think abortion should be."

I tend to think Bell's probably a staunch a supporter of abortion rights. But I'd like him to avoid this sort of language. I'd like there to be one point on his website where he just says - a woman's right to her own body is sacrosanct. And I'd like people not to have to sort through his speeches to find some semblance of that idea.


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First link (0.00 / 0)
My goodness, Bell says in the first link:

Let me say right off that I am pro-choice. I voted 100% with NARAL when I was in Congress, and I did it because it was the right thing to do.

Meanwhile, Kinky voted for perhaps the most anti-choice president in U.S. history in 2004, which put two of the most anti-choice justices, Alito and Roberts, in the Supreme Court among many other anti-choice justices at lower levels. 

How do you reconcile that?


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Wrong Reply (0.00 / 0)
Opps!  This comment was meant to be a reply to yours.

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You misquote Kinky on reproductive choice (he's right of Perry) (0.00 / 0)
You say
"I support a woman's right to choose." That's the language on Kinky's website.

Show me where.

Kinky's website says "Kinky believes in a woman's right to choose."  It's in third person because Kinky didn't write it or say it. This might be a minor point in some contexts, but you switch the quote to first person and then praise Kinky's candor. That's shameful.

I don't mind debating the merits of the candidates, but you are either deliberately misstating Bell's and Kinky's positions on abortion or you are too uninformed to understand the issue of reproductive choice.

Bell has not only said he supports a woman's right to control her own reproductive destiny but he's also actually voted consistently in favor of protecting that right time and time again.

Saying you're "pro-choice" is like saying you're "pro-education" or "pro-improved-healthcare."  Most politicians in Texas - including most Republicans - and most voters are in favor of all those goals.  Rick Perry is against banning abortion, Kay Bailey Hutchison is against banning abortion, Carole Strayhorn is against banning abortion, so bragging about Kinky's claim to be "pro-choice" is not very much to brag about.

The real pro-choice issues are what restrictions the candidate will support and which he or she will oppose.

When you praise Kinky's "candor" on reproductive choice, you show your ignorance of his statements on the issue (as contrasted with Laura Stromberg's statements on Kinky's website). 

Here is a good example of Kinky's "candor" when he speaks for himself (as opposed to when Laura speaks - thinks? - for him):

BURKHARDT: Adjacent to Kinky's ranch here in the Texas hill country is his Utopia Rescue Ranch for stray dogs. If he were governor, he'd make Texas a no kill state, no euthanizing unwanted dogs. And under a Friedman administration, declawing cats would be illegal.

FRIEDMAN: Special place in hell for anybody who declaws a cat.

BURKHARDT: As for other issue, his positions are a little hazier. Take abortion.

FRIEDMAN: And I'm not pro-life, and I'm not pro choice. I'm pro football!

BURKHARDT (on camera): Now that's evasive, man, that's evasive.

Here's another example of Kinky being evasive on reproductive freedom (compare his answers to Bell's to see who's evasive and who's candid):

Are Texas laws too restrictive for adult women? Would you favor adding new restrictions or repealing current ones?

Bell: The informed-consent requirements should conform to mainstream medical knowledge, which refutes the link between breast cancer and abortion. Medicaid births cost Texas several hundred million dollars a year; let's spend smart and reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

Friedman: I have mixed feelings on parental notification. On the counseling requirement, I'm not sure, but I know the less I talk to social workers, the better. No issue with the public-funding restrictions, but I would want to investigate further.

Perry: The governor has worked hard to increase the role of parents and guardians in the major life-changing decisions of their young daughters, and minor abortions have dropped significantly. He recently signed a parental-consent law because he believes it will save young lives by further involving parents.

Strayhorn: Declined to answer.

Should abortion be legal in cases of rape, incest and to protect the life of the woman?

Bell: Yes.

Friedman: Of course.

Perry: Yes.

Strayhorn: I know there are those extraordinarily tough circumstances where heartbreaking choices have to be made.

If you want to read about Kinky's latest statements on abortion, which put him further to the right of Perry or Strayhorn, check out Dan Patrick gets Kinky on KSEV or Texas Gubers on Abortion.

P.S. I didn't like you any better when you were Baby Snooks.


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Wrong on both counts (0.00 / 0)
You think that's the behaviour of someone who's gonna stand up to entrenched power in the capital?  He can't even stand up to a bully radio host.

Kinky was pandering, just like a hack politician, because he didn't want to drive away Patrick's audience.

And Chris Bell on Choice, right here.

Specifically about the same trigger law:

said that he would veto any proposed “trigger law” legislation that would immediately outlaw abortion in Texas in the event that the U.S. Supreme Court overturns its 1973 ruling in the Roe vs. Wade case.

Anti-abortion trigger laws have been adopted in some form by a number of states including Louisiana, Missouri, South Dakota, and Kentucky. Dan Patrick, a Republican candidate for state Senate from Houston, has vowed to propose similar legislation in Texas. Patrick, who believes Roe vs. Wade will be overturned, has said “I want to have a law on the books as soon as the Supreme Court acts."

"I would veto that," said Chris. "I think the majority of Texans are still pro-choice. I don't think they're pro-abortion, but they understand that there are instances where that very painful choice is going to have to be made."

Chris told the AP that abortion rights supporters should help find ways to make abortion as rare as possible. "But to make it illegal, that's not the road to go down," he said.

Now, I really do need to go. I can't believe how late it's getting.

TTFN.

Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.


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Bush vote (0.00 / 0)
Voted for the devil he knew rather than the devil he didn't?  (Apologies to H. Chavez)

I agree with you. How anybody could have voted for Bush in '04 is beyond me. Uh, 60% of Texas?  Crikey!


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Kinky kicking ass (0.00 / 0)
Kinky's gonna spend so much time kicking politician's asses, he's not gonna have any time to be governor.  And anyone involved in politics is a politician, so Kinky is a politician just like all the other folks, he should accept that.  It sounds nice and all to pissed off voters that he's an outsider and hates dirty politicians, but you gotta work with these 'dirty' people to get stuff done.

At least Kinky's honest (0.00 / 0)
Kinky may not have all the answers, but at least he doesn't deceive people into believing he does.  The Republicans on the other hand will lie through their teeth to get you to vote for them.  Then, when all is said and done, they deny everything.

I remember to this day when Rick Perry said education in Texas was his top priority.  Then one of his first big budget cuts was to education.  How does that make education a priority.

Thousands of Texans pay for specialty license plates each year under the impression their money will help whatever cause the plates support.  Yet, not even half of what is suppose to be designated for a special cause, goes to that particular cause.  It's moved and manipulated to balance the budget. 

The Texas Lottery commission touts that eight billion dollars has been given to Texas education in the past eight years.  If memory serves me, didn't the lottery begin more than eight years ago?  So where is the rest of the money?

Taxes from sporting goods was suppose to go to our state parks.  When was the last time the parks system saw any of that money?  They haven't in many, many years.  I've seen state parks in Oregon, Washington, Virginia, and Florida.  Compared to those, ours suck.

Kinky may not have all the answers, but he doesn't lie about having all the answers.  Believe me, many of the top CEOs in the nation will be the first to tell you they don't know all the answers.  In the military, I would much rather have a commander that is willing to admit he doesn't have all the answers than have who lies to you and says he does; only to lead you down the wrong road to an ambush.


Not having all the answers is acceptable. (0.00 / 0)
In a leader.

Not having a plan for getting them is not.

Kinky has rehearsed one liners up the wazoo, but not a plan.

Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.


[ Parent ]
a plan? (0.00 / 0)
Maybe he has a plan to get a clue to get a plan to get some answers?

Or, with wasting less time, we could just elect Chris Bell. I find that route far more efficient to undoing the damage caused by Rick Perry.

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Kinky is NOT honest (5.00 / 1)
On Wednesday, September 13, 2006, the Dallas Morning News published an Associated Press interview with Kinky Friedman. Kinky tried to downplay the racist nature of his recent unfortunate comments saying that the black hurricane refugees in Houston from New Orleans were "thugs and crackheads":

Friedman last week said he would provide $100 million to Houston, or any other city facing similar crime problems, so Houston could hire 1,200 new police officers to deal with crime and weed out the "crackheads and thugs" among the thousands of Katrina evacuees from New Orleans who relocated to Houston.

Roundly criticized as a thinly veiled attack on blacks from Louisiana, Friedman said Wednesday his proposal "was not in any way racist."

"How can you possibly regret that, telling the truth?" he asked. "I am not a racist, I am a realist. ... I never said what color their skin was. .... I'm smarter than that."

Yet on September 9, 2006, Guillermo X. Garcia with the San Antonio Express-News Staff reported on a question-and-answer session with Kinky and directly quoted him:

In answer to a question, Friedman said the comments do not indicate that he holds racist views. Rather, he said they demonstrate his ability to take on a subject the other candidates won't touch.

"Racism was here before I came around," he said. "I am just trying to bring up these issues within the (expletive) society."

Later, he said: "As it happens, the crackheads and thugs who remain in Houston after Katrina happen to be black; that's fact."

This latest lie follows Kinky's previous lies about his past claims that he vote for Ann Richards and Al Gore and against the  Constitutional Amendment rejecting equal marriage rights.  Here is one such false claim:

Susannah McNeely: ... after your bid for Justice of the Peace in ’86, you said you were leaving “that worthless tar baby that is politics” to the young people. What happened that changed your mind and prompted you to run for governor of Texas?

Kinky Friedman: Nothing changed my mind, that’s still correct. This is not a political campaign. It’s a spiritual one—a spiritual calling.
...
SM: So does this idea of the honorable cowboy have anything to do with why you threw your support behind President Bush in this last election? You did, didn’t you?

KF: Yes. I did in this last election, but I didn’t vote for him the first time.

SM: Who did you vote for in 2000?

KF: I voted for Gore then. I was conflicted. . .but I was not for Bush that time. Since then, though, we’ve become friends. And that’s what’s changed things.

SM: So it’s your friendship with him that’s changed your mind about having him as president more than his specific political positions?

KF: Well, actually, I agree with most of his political positions overseas, his foreign policy. On domestic issues, I’m more in line with the Democrats. I basically think he played a poor hand well after September 11. What he’s been doing in the Near East and in the Middle East, he’s handling that well, I think.

Kinky statements about his past votes have proven false based on Kinky's public Kerr County voting records:

"Quite often, I did not like my choices," Friedman was quoted as saying in Friday's Dallas Morning News....

"The voting record doesn't look strong, but my voting record is better than Dick Cheney's," he said....

According to Kerr County voting records, Friedman voted in the 2004 presidential general election but not in any other contest since 1994.



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