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KT -- here's a comment I received from a woman who was tangentially aware of my involvement in this issue.

"Your hard work was not done in vain. Like what I said, this is just the beginning of this issue and people will be more aware than ever that a lot of lives are at stake and in pain. Keep doing what you believe in."

We need to keep on plugging. Particularly in Travis County, where your population, and most (all?) of the elected officials are supportive.
I know I will continue to try to work with getting more people to understand the issues involved here in Houston. I think so many people never see a gay person (they think), they just don't care because it doesn't affect anyone they know. What it means is that more people need to be talking about why basic civil protections for sexual minorities are so important.

That was a 52 point shellacking - 76-24%. Another way of phrasing would be "three to one plus one." So-called "gay" marriage, a fantasy and biological impossibility, is an extremely selfish and greedy thing for gays to demand; gays who, by definition, do NOTHING to create and raise the next generation of people. Beyond that homosexuality is dysfunctional.
My advice is to get therapy and try to become a heterosexual. Or just stay out of gay relationships. It is better to be alone than have a "gay" partner. Barring that, you (and every other "gay" person) can do yourself a HUGE favor by not primarily defining yourself by your sexual orientation but by other ways and aspects of you.
How about some respect for heterosexuals who get married and raise kids and who, with God's help, created all 6B people on this planet?
I'm glad you have a good dad. That's what it takes: a good MOM and a good DAD. That is how we got here. Prop 2's MASSIVE victory for Marriage and biological normality is a credit to a huge amount of blacks and Hispanics who were rabid on this issue. Check out precinct #122, a very black precinct that went 62-38% for Prop 2. My Hispanic maid's Isabel's church was preaching for Prop. 2.
Other than that, have a good day!

I know that I am incredibly proud of all the hard work that NNIN did. Nothing to be ashamed of in this vote. It was all about communication and education and the electorate was religiously "abused" by the regressive dividers. They want our state and our country divided. They thrive on that conflict. There is hope for tomorrow. We just keep educating the uninformed majority on this issue. It's a human rights issue, and you don't give up on human rights - ever.

Sonia

and it would have been worse if 1.5% of the voters did not think that they would be ending ALL marriage in Texas by voting for Prop 2, as that phony "Save Texas Marriage" group was yapping about.
and it would have been over 80% if Prop 2 opponents had actually openly advocated "gay" marriage instead of focusing on side issues like bashing Republicans and hyping Klan phone booth sized rallies.
What a wonderful result! And if you don't like it, just thank God your MOM and your DAD put you on earth so you can enjoy the rest of your days, which hopefully will be better for you, if not politically better!

Robert,
After KT wrote a very personal and emotional post, you have that to say? Sorry, but you're an asshole. Have fun next November.

Amendments can be repealed. Proposition 2's approval is certainly disappointing. One of my friends asked why I was dejected by the victory. After all, it doesn't affect personally since I'm straight. But you know what? It's posts like the one Karl-Thomas wrote that make me feel the way I do. It's that I have friends who are feeling crushed today because of yesterday's election. So, it does affect me personally.

If there's any silver lining, it's the knowledge that, yes, this amendment can be repealed. The problem is overcoming the attitudes exhibited by some of the proponents seen here, around the state, and around the nation. A lot of people have no contact with gays, and their perceptions of them are limited to the stuff spouted by the likes of Robert Morrow above, the Texas Eagle Forum, the KKK, and other similar groups. The people of the GLBT community that get hit with this, they're human beings. They're like me. They're like you. They aren't biological abnormalities, sinful hedonists, selfish egotists, or any of that. They're people, blessed with the same strengths and flawed by the same weaknesses as everyone else out there.

I feel for my friends and their friends and families. There's still work to, though. There's the truth to get out; there are perceptions and images to confront. There are minds to change. This is a setback, yeah. Still, there is much to do still. Over half a million Texans cared enough about this to go out and vote against the amendment. Compared to how something like this might have fared just ten, twenty, or thirty years ago, it's cause for a bit of hope. We just need to keep going.

Robert, you're truly a dick. Jesus hates you.

Okay, I shouldn't have said that. Jesus doesn't hate you. He's just really, really disappointed in your bigotry.

Robert Morrow,

Thank you for putting a public face to the 1.7 million people who voted for this amendment. You can be sure I will save your message and show it to anyone who asks me to describe the proponents of this amendment.

It's sad that you are so rabid to hurt gay people that you not only participated in this exercise, which was in many ways a ritual scapegoating of gay people, but you also hang around message boards so that you can write hurtful messages. Again, thank you for showing all of us the true face of this amendment and its proponents.

Simply stated,
If you are Christian, the perfect image of the Trinity is the martial embrase of the man and the women who become one flesh. The love between them, with grace from God, creates a third person, a child. Anything contradictory to this is an counter sign to the Holy Trinity. So you see, it is the act of homesexuality that is a sin (hate the sin, not the sinner). This explains Catholic Christian Theology and why the Church will NEVER allow marriage between a man and a women.
And this isn't a simple religous issue either, it goes against natural law, and if you try to establish a philosophical argument against natural law, you have already lost the battle, because it then shows that it is society's disfunctional tastes that tries to rationalize homesexual rights. Do you think Dawrin believed in homosexuality?
Jesus loves everyone, and if you are gay, unfortunately, you have a bigger cross to carry than the straight person.
God Bless and good luck.

Robert--

I met plenty of proponents of Prop 2 that were very considerate and empathetic to those who opposed the amendment. They advocated open-mindedness, and admitted they simply had a different kind of personal faith about this issue. Though they didn't make me change my mind, they made me speak out against those that de-humanized everyone who spoke out in support of Prop 2.

Then you showed up. F*** you.

When Michael Savage said that liberalism was a mental disorder, I laughed. But I am beginning to think he might be right.

Robert Morrow, born on June 20, 1964, is entitled to his opinion. Robert Morrow, 2901 Riva Ridge, Austin, TX 78746, is clearly stating the position of a vast majority of Texans. Just b/c Robert Morrow lives alone in a house off of Hwy 360 (Capital of TX Hwy) in Davenport Ranch, doesn't mean he can't sustain a meaningful heterosexual relationship b/c of underlying homosexual fantasies. Robert Morrow, (512) 306-1510, is just a dick.

If you want to e-mail this a**hole, his address is Morrow321@aol.com and his phone number is 306-1510.

Here's a flier he was putting out around Pflugerville.

http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/proprop2letter02112.jpg

I also have Robert's credit card number. I just ordered some really hard core gay porn. It's being delivered in his name to his church.

Robert - I am kidding. It's being sent to your office.

This is, of course, the same Robert Morrow who was handing out the endless amounts of rabid anti-gay materials during the spring city council elections. Notice his November "leaflet" is in the same style.

Damn good flier. We put them out in 3 precincts:

# 202: 67% FOR Prop 2, # 206: 66% FOR, # 226: 70% FOR. In all three precincts, the Prop 2 vote was significantly higher than the Bush vote there in 2004. Compare that to the rest of Travis where Bush got 42% vs. Prop 2 40%.
Plus voter turnout was significantly higher in Pflugarville than other suburb communities. The bottom line is the agenda of the Homo Left is a selfish, greedy, as well as dysfunctional one and a LOT of people agree with me.
Just because the overwhelming super majority of Texans voted for Prop 2 - "three to one plus one" - does not mean we are right; but we are.
Great, let's have another election on "gay" rights; I'm ready.

Where do you go from here, Robert?

Immigrants.

you know what robert morrow? this is where you are just simply retarded. this wasn't about gay MARRIAGE-it is already illegal, you schmuck.

you put your hate out there and show what a real loser you are.

times will change. this wasn't about homosexual marriage, it was about bigotry and hate. and yap all you want about your "massive" victory-that's like californians celebrating democratic victories and rubbing it in republicans faces...

congratulations. it was SUCH an uphill battle to pass this bullsh#t in texas...sooooo difficult.

i am sure jesus is really proud of you.

kt, great post. i am proud as hell of you. and your friends and family are with you. robert morrow is a useless piece of trash more concerned about what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms than if children in texas have healthcare or textbooks. way to go.

how many times do you think robert morrow has been ALL over gay.com? my guess is a lot.

The illegal aliens were rabidly FOR Prop 2. I know I campaigned among them. I'm not sure if you Democrats really want them to vote. As were the blacks for Prop 2. And the Hispanics. And 99% of the Republicans. And the churches. All 14 members of the Klan were for Prop 2, in a unity move with Danny Thomas, Austin's only black city councilman. Get the drift?
Why? because Marriage between 1 Man and 1 Woman is the foundation for society and raising children.

Robert -

You are an inspiration to us all. I am sending the porn to your church after all.

People of color... again.

Robert -

Can we allow gay people with children to marry? What if they promised to adopt or "create" a child while in a gay marriage?

I don't think you are married. I can't imagine why that would be, but what about people who are married w/o children. Shouldn't we annul their marriages?

Last question - do you think of young vulnerable and sensitive men when you masturabte or older stonger and more secure men?

Robert and his 1,718,513 friends can continue to push all the buttons they want, but those kids with gay parents will still wake up to those gay parents just like they did yesterday... and every day afterwards.

Amen.

I can just see the next t-shirt: "Liberal Texan and Hating It"

Trey and Robert are obviously not Compassionate Conservatives.

"I'm not sure if you Democrats really want them to vote..."

Of course you Republicans just bring them here for cheap labor. Illegally. Are you saying they voted? That's illegal too. Oh, I forgot. The law doesn't apply to Republicans.

"I don't think you are married. I can't imagine why that would be.."

What woman would have him? He sounds like Russell Yates. Live unto the Lord. In other words, women are good for two things. Cooking for the man and spreading their legs for the man. To make babies, of course. God forbid you should enjoy sex. Which most "Christians" apparently don't. If they did, they wouldn't care about anyone else's sex life. They'd be enjoying their own too much.

How do I know Andrea Yates was insane? If she had been sane, she would have drowned Russell.

Robert, I would turn lesbian before I let someone like you in my bed. What do you think of that?

One thing I've found through the years is that homophobic men are usually lousy in bed. Maybe because they really WOULD prefer to be with another man?

Why don't you curl up your flyers and stick them where the sun don't shine? You probably would find you enjoy it.

Robert Morrow once came across a pile of gay porn.

Then he wiped it off.

Seriously, Robert, I truly wonder about you conservative males who get your panties in a bunch over gay marriages, which have nothing to do with you and do not affect you in any way. You are so far in the closet that I hope you have a high beam flashlight of some sort. you are a bigot, pure and simple. Shame on you and your comments to K-T.

It's too bad, really. Your hard-on and energy for destroying homosexuals and making their lives suck could just as easily be directed towards, I don't know, ending world hunger and improving education. But, let's face it: poverty, education issues, and the environment just aren't as hot as the thought of two guys spreading a little legally-sactioned Santorum. I guess it takes a bigger man to get hard over the cuts in CHIP, the lack of a living wage in Texas, and election reforms.

It takes a big man to admit he is small. Thanks, Robert, for your openness and candor, and for being an inspiration to all of those hung like a lightswitch.

"So you see, it is the act of homesexuality that is a sin (hate the sin, not the sinner). This explains Catholic Christian Theology and why the Church will NEVER allow marriage between a man and a women."

What Robert doesn't realize (besides the fact that he said the Church will not allow marriage between a man and a woman) is that everytime he masturbates he is in fact committing an equivalent sin. Mortal sin is mortal sin. It doesn't matter if you have 1 or 100...you still go to hell without sacramental confession and absolution. So according to his rubric, he is just as deviant as any gay person. Remove the splinter in your own eye before telling everyone else about their own.

When will we put Prop. 10 on the ballot?...the "Robert Morrow will have tons of free time because his favorite hobby is illegal" amendment.

I held off for as long as possible Robert.

I was so lucky to have traveled the entire state during this campaign. I was fortunate to watch KT work his magic at UT (how did you do there by the way? Oh yeah... KT and Marti organized circles around your vicious hate).

You may have been a part of the ill conceived victory last night, but you also mobilized over 100,000 new voters. You were instrumental in registering new voters against hate and discrimination.

You think you saw victory yesterday. I instead look at this state and see promise. I see a state ready for a new vision. We created organization structure in Abilene, Waco, Tyler, Lubbock, the Valley, and other parts of rural Texas.

All I can tell you Robert, you found your nemesis and it is the future of Texas. When great political minds and organizers like Nick and KT and Glen Maxey and the 30,000 volunteers you inspired are the ones that defeat your hate… will you move? Will you just give in?

I didn’t think so…

I can honestly say that your hate has inspired me. I will not leave Equality Texas (formerly LGRL) until we have made the in roads needed to secure the house and senate.

The youth are against you. The progressive community is getting stronger in Texas every day, and they are against you.

The majority of constitutional election voters voted for the amendment, but in we have paved the way for change. I am encouraged and I stand more resolute today than ever before.

In the end, Robert, you support hate and discrimination and we LIBERALS stand in support of the human population. All of it.

This is a long post now, but I tell you Robert, that the road ahead of you has become more difficult.

Burnt Orange Readers -

I am active in the local Republican party and I voted for Prop. 2 -let's get that out of the way.

But Robert Morrow is considered an embarrassment to the local Republican Party and is a rogue agent whom we cannot control; much in the way Democrats cannot control Lyndon LaRouche.

We are considering censoring him and putting a warning out about him to political campaigns to steer clear of him and to be prepared to denounce him.

Morrow is not from here (Michigan or someplace) and some in the local GOP have tried to track down stories about him having a troubled past.

Unfortunately, he cannot be controlled short of locking him up in Shoal Creek Hospital.

He may end up being a local political fringe character the way Jennifer Gale is or Leslie, just in a different light.

Believe me if we could get him to move away or something, we would - the e-mails he sends out are very, very disturbed.

Robert, you didn't address someone's question. Where do you go from here? What's next on your agenda? Keep us in the loop, big man!

"Robert, you're truly a dick. Jesus hates you."

Posted by Fine Bottled Water at November 9, 2005 07:58 PM

"Okay, I shouldn't have said that. Jesus doesn't hate you. He's just really, really disappointed in your bigotry."

Posted by Fine Bottled Water at November 9, 2005 07:58 PM

So, you presume to speak for Jesus Christ? May I remind you that the Messiah is God in the flesh. So, you're speaking for God? Is that right?

Andrea Meyer:

"Seriously, Robert, I truly wonder about you conservative males who get your panties in a bunch over gay marriages, which have nothing to do with you and do not affect you in any way. You are so far in the closet that I hope you have a high beam flashlight of some sort. you are a bigot, pure and simple. Shame on you and your comments to K-T."

Conservative males don't wear panties. That's the gay males that you're so ardently defending.

"It's too bad, really. Your hard-on and energy for destroying homosexuals and making their lives suck could just as easily be directed towards, I don't know, ending world hunger and improving education. But, let's face it: poverty, education issues, and the environment just aren't as hot as the thought of two guys spreading a little legally-sactioned Santorum. I guess it takes a bigger man to get hard over the cuts in CHIP, the lack of a living wage in Texas, and election reforms."

By the same token, gay males could be working towards solving all of those problems, rather than spending all of their time and energy looking for gay sex partners. Nosy liberals that waste their time, and energy telling everyone else how to live, and what to do-- could better spend their time and energy to solving the worlds problems, too!

"It takes a big man to admit he is small. Thanks, Robert, for your openness and candor, and for being an inspiration to all of those hung like a lightswitch."

It takes a big mouth to say so much, while saying so little. Nothing but insults to the sexuality of conservative men here. I can tell that you're one of the more "open-minded, enlightened liberal thinkers!"

Hollis - Jesus would vote no on discriminating against people.

And perhaps you should turn your Interweb sarcasm meter up a notch, okay?

Actually, it seems like you already have it on ten, what with statements like this: "[n]osy liberals that waste their time, and energy telling everyone else how to live, and what to do." Kettle, pot, say hello.

"Robert, you didn't address someone's question. Where do you go from here? What's next on your agenda?"

Looks like I can answer my own question: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-prop2_10tex.ART.State.Edition3.8f34f72.html

"I am active in the local Republican party and I voted for Prop. 2 -let's get that out of the way."

Let me guess, you go to ALL of the Republican parties and shake hands with people, and that is how you define being "active" in the local Republican Party, am I right?

"But Robert Morrow is considered an embarrassment to the local Republican Party and is a rogue agent whom we cannot control; much in the way Democrats cannot control Lyndon LaRouche."

Local Republicans should be embarrassed. Not by an activist like Robert Morrow, but by their own piss-poor level of activism for the Party. Travis county Republicans are largely "country club" republicans. Have a cocktail and get over yourself!

"We are considering censoring him and putting a warning out about him to political campaigns to steer clear of him and to be prepared to denounce him."

The fact that you presume to "censor" anyone is an indication of how far to the left the Republican Party has moved in recent years! We still have a Constitution in this country, and that Constitution recognizes Free Speech as one of the basic Rights of American citizens! So, go censor yourself!!

"Morrow is not from here (Michigan or someplace) and some in the local GOP have tried to track down stories about him having a troubled past."

Another indication of how the Republican Party has declined! You're engaging in "the politics of personal destruction" -- just like the Dim-ocrats!

"Unfortunately, he cannot be controlled short of locking him up in Shoal Creek Hospital."

Another indication of your Nazi mentality. You want to CONTROL him! On top of that you want to throw him in an insane asylum-- just because you don't agree with him. Adolf Hitler would be proud.

"He may end up being a local political fringe character the way Jennifer Gale is or Leslie, just in a different light."

The Republican Party will end up in the same position, if it doesn't purge itself of Nazis-- like you!

"Believe me if we could get him to move away or something, we would - the e-mails he sends out are very, very disturbed."

Yes, judging from you previous comments you are a VERY, VERY "disturbed" individual! You will fail miserably in establishing your "new order."
Seig Heil, baby!

"Hollis - Jesus would vote no on discriminating against people."

Again, how do you know? Are you claiming to be divine?

"And perhaps you should turn your Interweb sarcasm meter up a notch, okay?"

If you can't take the heat, then log off!

"Actually, it seems like you already have it on ten, what with statements like this: "[n]osy liberals that waste their time, and energy telling everyone else how to live, and what to do." Kettle, pot, say hello."

No, I have it set on 2. Believe me I can do A LOT better! I was merely stating the obvious. Go back and re-read the post.

The only fun thing about being in such a red state is watching Republicans fight amongst themselves when one deems the other to be insufficiently to the right on any given issue. I suppose it happens on the left, too, but I can't recall a Dem calling another Dem a Nazi. Good stuff.

Anyone think Hollis is Robert's new online name?

"Again, how do you know? Are you claiming to be divine?"

Are you claiming to be divine by believing (which I assume you do) that Jesus wouldn't support gay marriage? No? See, it's a matter of interpretation. People can disagree. And that doesn't make them a Nazi.

"If you can't take the heat, then log off!"

Uhh, what? I thought it was "take your ass out the kitchen."

"The only fun thing about being in such a red state is watching Republicans fight amongst themselves when one deems the other to be insufficiently to the right on any given issue. I suppose it happens on the left, too, but I can't recall a Dem calling another Dem a Nazi. Good stuff."

Hold on to that thought. The Dim-ocrat Party's primaries are promising to be at least as interesting as the Republicans.

By the way, I've left the Republican Party. I am a Conservative, and I will be voting Constitution Party in the next election! I am not Robert Morrow, but I did work with him on Prop 2. So, put that in your crack pipe and smoke it!

"Are you claiming to be divine by believing (which I assume you do) that Jesus wouldn't support gay marriage? No? See, it's a matter of interpretation. People can disagree. And that doesn't make them a Nazi."

I don't presume to know how God would vote(either way), because I'm not God. You must think you are God, because you are so quick to throw down the premise that Jesus is pro-gay! Can you perform a miracle, or something to prove that you're truly divine?

People that talk about "controlling" other people, and throwing them in asylums, because they don't agree with them-- are most certainly Nazis. If the shoe fits, wear it.

"If you can't take the heat, then log off!"

"Uhh, what? I thought it was "take your ass out the kitchen."

Are we baking bread, or debating on line?

If the Constitution Party elects anyone to anything in Texas, you may consider that my miracle.

Thomas states that Rob Morrow is not representative of the Travis County Republican Party. Whatever.

Here's an excerpt from a little note I got from Tina Benkiser, the Chair of the Republican Party of Texas:

"Our enemies are hard at work ... a loud, hysterical and _radical minority who support same-sex unions_ ... _polygamy_ ... and a variety of _unnatural acts_ . (ellipses in the original).

If they defeat Proposition # 2, homosexual civil unions, lesbian marriage and a panoply of bizarre and perverse acts are destined to _become the law of the land in Texas_."

Readers, make up your own minds about the Republican Party of Texas and the supporters of Proposition 2. Republicans, if you don't like it get off your butts and take your party back. But don't tell me this sort of rhetoric is an embarrassment to the Republican party.

"You would not believe how many good old boy Texas cowboys I have slept with," said the angry homo to me the other day on the phone. This same man is a single ADOPTIVE father here in Texas. How was this man allowed to adopt a child here in Texas? Do you think it was in the child's best interest to be "raised" by a sex-crazed homo. I don't.
I sure have gotten a lot of unsolicitated phone calls and emails from angry homos recently for whatever reason. And my email address has been signed up for lots of homo web sites, most of them about finding homo sex or "gargantuan" this or that. This from the people who are supposedly interest in getting "married," having children, adopting kids, etc. Lots of material for future campaigns.
Google "Mr Rubber International 2006" and tell me if you think homosexual weirdos need to be given the rights, benefits and privileges of marriage. That is what has been popping in my mailbox recently. What a joke!
Here is the web ad for "gay.com" at the Burnt Orange Report. A picture of a man with red undies on his ankles and the promise that someone will find something "BIG" there:

"Gay.com - Free!

You could be missing something BIG! Meet hot guys online. Millions of active members, plus the latest in gay news, gossip and entertainment. Find men near you, and see what else you've been missing."

Get the picture? All about finding and acquiring dysfunctional homo sex and NOTHING about creating or raising children, an EXTREMELY important job. By definition, homos DON'T have kids. Pick up a local copy of TXT: all about men not wearing shirts, acquiring homo sex, and complaining about wanting certain phantom, absurd rights.
I am against anti-sodomy laws and I don't hate gays, but Homo Left political agenda sucks and you will find no love for it here.

I always enjoy when the right gloats on their victories, but that takes it a little too far. Robert Morrow, YOU have NO right to tell me what I can and can not enjoy as a citizen of this country. I also do not believe 5% of Texas can tell me I can not get married. Yep, thats right. 10% of the population just voted to keep me from marrying. Where is the other 90%? They usually stay home because of stupid shit like this on the ballot. Whats more ironic and that upsets me is that there is a theory that 10%of the population in society is gay. Had every gay person actually got off their ass and voted, the vote may have gone the other way. When so few people vote on issues like this, I simply call it pathetic. It even looks pathetic on the people on the right that they could only muster 2 million people to support them in this large state. But you know what, they won. And that is sad.

As of this evening, I will be a Democratic precinct chair in Denton County, and will from here on out do everything in my power to start making sure STUPID SHIT like this doesnt ever come up on my ballot again. The bully pulpit will end.

Karl, you live in a great area of Texas like I once did in Chapel Hill in NC. But liberal enclaves need to help the rest of the conservative wingnuts in the state they reside in. Keep up the good work!

That's your absolute weakest argument yet, Robert. There are millions of dating services for men and women that have nothing to do with having a baby and raising children, and PUH-LEAZE do not act like the porn industry is limited to homosexuals. That industry is a problem, to be sure, but ignoring the millions of sex sites that feature men and women "not trying to raise a child" --

You're not even trying to make sense anymore. Give it up.

"If the Constitution Party elects anyone to anything in Texas, you may consider that my miracle."

The Constitution Party won't elect anyone this time around. By 2016, Texans will be SO fed up with the Republicans and Dim-ocrats that they will come running to the Constitution Party. That's assuming that the second Civil War hasn't started by that time.

Harigree,

We need a parody about now...

"That's your absolute weakest argument yet, Robert. There are millions of dating services for men and women that have nothing to do with having a baby and raising children, and PUH-LEAZE do not act like the porn industry is limited to homosexuals. That industry is a problem, to be sure, but ignoring the millions of sex sites that feature men and women "not trying to raise a child" -- You're not even trying to make sense anymore. Give it up."

You want to talk about weak argument? Your's takes the cake! Here's an excerpt from a Move On.org e-mail that will shed some light on what gay "marriage" is really about:

"Here's one last reminder of why you should oppose Prop. 2, from Texas MoveOn member Gary Gano in Houston:

"Texas law already (unfortunately) defines marriage to be between one man and one woman. This constitutional amendment serves no other purpose except to further harass and marginalize a specific group of American citizens, namely gay Americans. It will codify discrimination for the first time in the state constitution. This amendment will also prevent Texas cities from enacting legislation supporting partner benefits for government employees. Please vote down this vicious and unneeded legislation!"

Thank you for your support."

In other word, gays want heterosexuals (who are already burdened with paying to raise and support children)-- to pay the gay's health care expenses associate with HIV/AIDS, and other STDs! That's YOUR lifestyle choice, so it's YOUR responsility to pay for YOUR OWN health care!!!

Tina Benkiser is representative of the modern Republican woman. Still a Stepford Wife. With liberated twist. Or is that just twisted liberation?

What I find interesting about these "Stop the Homosexual Agenda" people is that while they talk about the "sanctity" and "spirituality" of traditional marriage and relationships, they inevitably focus on the sexuality of non-traditional marriage and relationships which they try to attack by associating the same thing they do in bed with perversity. The real perversity is on their part through the association. Which makes me wonder if the real problem is not that they feel guilty about what they do in bed but rather that they don't do anything in bed anymore and simply resent the fact that someone else might be.

Ask any psychiatrist worth their $250 an hour and they will tell you this is all classic sexual repression. They ain't getting any in other words. Which is why they focus on those who do.

I wish someone would remake "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" but with a slight change in the story line. Rather than dealing with a black man and a white woman about to be married, dealing instead with two men about to be married with their fathers shocked and then opposed and then their mothers trying to find ways to make it right. Using the same lines. Particularly the ones about how when men grow old, they lose their passion. And forget what passion and love and life is all about. And how they envy those who haven't forgotten.

That would be the best counter to these bigots possible.

Of course the Tina Benkisers and Robert Morrows are probably still opposed to interracial marriage although they would probably never admit it. They would be labeled bigots. Which is what they should be labeled for their opposition to homosexual marriage and they should hang their h heads in shame. Instead they take pride in their opposition to it. The way they once took pride in their opposition to interracial marriage. Marriage is nothing more than a ceremony recognizing committment. It has nothing to do with God. It has to do with the two people committing to each other.

The odd thing is that many of the arguments made about homosexual marriage were made about interracial marriage as well despite some saying they weren't. They're right there in the dialogue of "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner."

Hollis,

Your argument is very week. People choose to smoke. Smoking causes cancer. Cancer patients receive health care paid for by non-smokers and smokers, alike.

Same goes for people with STDS, heterosexuals and homosexuals suffer from AIDS. Do not use the tired argument that AIDS is a "gay disease." At the end of 2003, the 88,815 adult and adolescent women with AIDS, 63% were exposed through heterosexual contact.

Baby Snooks: The odd thing is that many of the arguments made about homosexual marriage were made about interracial marriage as well despite some saying they weren't. They're right there in the dialogue of "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner."

It's sad how quickly people have forgotten, isn't it? They are the same arguments. It is the same thing.

Baby Snooks:

I have no doubt that a person who can't deal with reality would enjoy engaging in the escapism offered by the movies.

I just want you to explain, why it is a good thing that insurance premiums will go up acorss the board to pay for health care costs of so-called "domestic partners," in treating the STDs commonly associated with the gay lifestyle?

Am I somehow, morally obligated to pay for the health care costs associated with someone else's lifestyle choice? That will be a hard sell. I don't like paying for health care costs associated with smoking, or drug abuse either.

The point is simply-- it's MY money! I earned it, and you didn't! If you want to "contribute," then go right ahead and do it. I choose not to spend my hard-earned money on other people's stupid lifestyle choices. They knew the risks.

"Your argument is very week. People choose to smoke. Smoking causes cancer. Cancer patients receive health care paid for by non-smokers and smokers, alike.

Same goes for people with STDS, heterosexuals and homosexuals suffer from AIDS. Do not use the tired argument that AIDS is a "gay disease." At the end of 2003, the 88,815 adult and adolescent women with AIDS, 63% were exposed through heterosexual contact."

As I stated in my last post, I don't like paying for health care costs of smoking or drug abuse either!

As for the heterosexual women that have been exposed to AIDS-- we have bi-sexual men, and I.V. drug abusers to thank for that statistic.

My argument remains: Why should I be punished and forced to pay for other people's stupid lifestyle choices? Liberals always talk about what's fair and what isn't-- Well, what's fair about that? Is this somehow "leveling the playing field" to penalize me for being a heterosexual, non-smoking, non-using male? I think not.

"I just want you to explain, why it is a good thing that insurance premiums will go up acorss the board to pay for health care costs of so-called "domestic partners," in treating the STDs commonly associated with the gay lifestyle?"

They won't go up any more than they will for the health care costs for all the "domestic partners" in treating the STDs commonly associated with the straight lifetsyle.

One area I would like to see receive more money is free mental health care. You're a prime example why. Bigotry is a mental illness as well as an affliction of the soul.

And is Hollis Manly your real name or just wishful thinking on your part?

Baby Snooks:

"They won't go up any more than they will for the health care costs for all the "domestic partners" in treating the STDs commonly associated with the straight lifetsyle."

That's NOT true, and you know it! Married straights don't frequent bath houses with the intent of having anonymous, casual sex with multiple partners in a single evening. Married straights don't tend to abuse drugs at anywhere near the rate of homosexual males. It is common knowledge that most gay men abuse drugs as a prelude to the un-natural act of homosexual intercourse. As a result of drug abuse, and promiscuity, gays have higher rates of STDs.

"One area I would like to see receive more money is free mental health care. You're a prime example why. Bigotry is a mental illness as well as an affliction of the soul."

The same is true of liberalism. Besides, I'm not a bigot. Unless you can make the case that I am a bigot based on the fact that I don't want my insurance premiums to go up.

"And is Hollis Manly your real name or just wishful thinking on your part?"

Nope. Not wishful thinking. I'm a Manly man! Why did you bring it up? Are you running low on ammo, and find yourself resorting to cheap shots, and name calling? Try a little harder to make a reasoned argument for your pro-gay stance.

"I'm a Manly man!"

What I thought. Another homophobe.

Karl I am so proud of you for being the most amazing activist I know!

The fact that your message board is filled with arguements and rants from people whose only goal seems to be making it known that they think difference is wrong ... is dissapointing and truly upsetting. But it is one thing for a few people to post on your wall with this agenda; I am still in shock that the people of Texas have ignorantly chosen to vote for this ammendment. Now thousands and thousands of tax dollars are goping to help the Texan's scream 'i really really hate fags' a little louder.

Ignorant and confused people like this make me very sad and to think that they are representing Christians in Texas ... is just tragic.

but more important to me, I love you and think your posts are always well thought out, intelligent and honest.

Apparently Robert knows more about homosexual pornography than me. What the heck is TXT?

"The Constitution Party won't elect anyone this time around. By 2016, Texans will be SO fed up with the Republicans and Dim-ocrats that they will come running to the Constitution Party. That's assuming that the second Civil War hasn't started by that time."

Oh, yeah, the second Civil War. How's that happen again?

That's your absolute weakest argument yet, Robert. There are millions of dating services for men and women that have nothing to do with having a baby and raising children, and PUH-LEAZE do not act like the porn industry is limited to homosexuals.

No, actually, gay.com is not just one of many "dating services": it is a featured advertiser on BOR. BOR is therefore sanctioning its content and purpose, which is obviously promiscuous homosexual sex...not monogamous gay life partners.

Sorry x. Try reading the BOR advertising policy which hasn't changed in over a year.

Finally, acceptance of advertisement on the Burnt Orange Report should not be considered an endorsement by the Burnt Orange Report or its writers unless otherwise noted.

It hasn't been otherwise noted for any ad in quite some time.

"Oh, yeah, the second Civil War. How's that happen again?"

You'll see.

Bottled Water,

You know the same way the last one happened. Bigotted Southerners make Congress extremely partisan and center their campaigns on one issue and one issue only- "states rights".

Their rich, white, landed, slave-owning constituents (now played by evangelical social conservatives) start talking all their mad smack about secession after they lose an election, and how one "heterosexual" southern man is worth 10 liberal yankee homos in battle.

The states of the old Confederacy plus Oklahoma(that right there should tell you what side of history you're gonna be on) and some of the plains states vote to secede. All liberals, minorities (who you gonna go into war with now guys?) and GLBTers promptly leave. After a couple of years of dicking around, the US lays the smack down leading us into Reconstruction- the sequel (its motto? Gettin' it right the second time).

Fast forward 100 plus years later and we find the descendants of the Confederacy v2.0 still proudly waving their (losing) flags, continuing to spout off their 'heritage not hate' motto, and have revisionist conservative Southern historians vehemently arguing in their ivory towers that the Civil War II was most definitely not about gay rights, but about the Sunbelt, suburbanite fear of losing their way of life to the hegemonic North.

Baby Snooks"

I'm a Manly man!

"What I thought. Another homophobe."

That's what I thought too. You can't make a reasoned argument for heterosexuals picking up the bill for health care costs associated with the homosexual lifestyle. All you can do is engage in name-calling. Liberals are anything but "open-minded, enlightened, and tolerant thinkers." A liberal's "tolerance" doesn't extend to people that disagree with them. Thank you for showing the true face of liberalism.

"You'll see."

You don't want to tell me? Or I just called you on making up complete nonsense?

Cinci, that sounds awesome!

Cincinnstus:

No, it will be more like this:

A frustrated Republican constituency will mostly stay home on election day 2008, giving Hillary Clinton an easy win of the Presidency, and handing control of the Congress back to the Dim-ocrats. The rabid left-wingers that control the Dim-ocrat Party will waste no time in throwing off any pretense of favoring the Representative Republic form of government.

The liberals will immediately move to establish their socialist/communist ("Utopian") form of government, by first repealing the 1st and 2nd Amendments to the Constitution, and making "sedition" (previously defined by liberal dim-ocrats in 1994 as "writing, or calling your representatives") a capital offense. This will immediately be followed up by a repeal of the 4th Amendment, and the key provision of the Constitution that forbids quartering of foreign troops in the homes of American citizens. U.N. "peacekeepers" will immediately be deployed to major U.S. cities to quell the resulting riots.

It's not hard to imagine what will happen next. That is a more likely scenario for the near future, and that's what I am fighting now.

"You can't make a reasoned argument for heterosexuals picking up the bill for health care costs associated with the homosexual lifestyle."

They have to pick up the bill for health care costs associated with your lifestyle as well.

Wow. If he hadn't done so previously, Hollis just eliminated himself from ever sitting at the adult table during another discussion/debate.

Hollis, if that is what you *truly* believe, then you are officially bat-shit crazy.

"They have to pick up the bill for health care costs associated with your lifestyle as well."

According to one of the other all-knowing leftists in a previous Conservative males "don't get any." So, how is it that my lifestyle will lead to me contracting STDs at a higher rate, than gay males?

"Wow. If he hadn't done so previously, Hollis just eliminated himself from ever sitting at the adult table during another discussion/debate."

I always get a kick out of liberals referring to themselves "adults." The transition of power from Clinton to Bush PROVED otherwise (missing W keys on keyboards, "porn bombs" on computers, childish nasty messages left on computers, offices trashed, thefts of govt. property, etc.)!

"Hollis, if that is what you *truly* believe, then you are officially bat-shit crazy."

It's no more absurd/less comical, than the theory of Cincinnatus. Does he still get to sit at the "adult" table?

Haha. Cinci's post was clearly not meant to be taken seriously. He was, in essence, making fun of you. So he gets to sit at the adult table.

Finally, acceptance of advertisement on the Burnt Orange Report should not be considered an endorsement by the Burnt Orange Report or its writers unless otherwise noted.

Karl, such a boilerplate disclaimer is not the point. The point is the impression given to a visitor of your site. It betrays the most insidious lie of the homosexual agenda, which is that supposedly as high a percentage of homosexuals as heterosexuals desire permanent monogamous relationships. That's a crock of shit. The typical homosexual lifestyle - as exemplified by your illustrious advertiser - is perverted sex with as many anonymous partners as possible...from that lifestyle AIDS was foisted on humanity. That in itself speaks for the immorality of it.

zzzzzzz.

"Haha. Cinci's post was clearly not meant to be taken seriously. He was, in essence, making fun of you. So he gets to sit at the adult table.

I see. Say, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona that I'd be willing to sell you at a very reasonable price! Interested?

zzzzzzz.

Great comeback to the debate. I hope you're not paying too much for your tuition, because how ever much it is, you're not getting your money's worth.

(Doesn't realize KT's not debating him)

Misguided, pro-gay BOR readers:

Well, it's been real kiddies. Don't take any wooden nickels!

Hollis, I'll see you at the Constitution Party convention as we celebrate the party's ascension to power! Or maybe during the second Civil War, battling the dastardly UN troops called in to quell the masses revolting against the tyrannous liberal devils.

Either way, take care!

Any of you handful of folks that continue to think everything in this country is made worse by homosexuals care to comment on the divorce rate in this country? Or the high numbers of spousal abuse? Or the children with one mom and one dad that shoot up schools? Or church leaders that molest children? Or a Republican President whose entire approach to AIDS in the 1980's was, "I don't have it!"

Or how about the children of divorced parents that succeed in life? Or the children of interracial parents that succeed in life? Or children raised by gay and lesbian couples that succeed in life?

Homosexuality poses absolutely no danger to anyone, and you don't hold moral supremeacy over any group of people. No one holds moral supremeacy over anyone. Trying to say otherwise is idioitic, and everyone would appreciate if you stopped insisting otherwise.

Karl-T, thank you for your post. I am very proud to know you and to be associated with you!

No one holds moral supremeacy over anyone.

What an ignorant assertion. Society itself wields moral supremacy over everyone.

And our state society voted 76-24% that homosexuality is an abomination.

"zzzzzzz."

with only 7 characters, kt has the best response to the robert morrow's and the "x"'s. you know i think robert morrow is a schmuck, for sure. but give the guy some credit-at least he puts his # on his flyers and such. a-hole, dickhead, whatever. but at least he gets out there and makes his opinion known.

(not to be seen as being in morrow's defense ONE BIT.)

whereas with "x", he wouldn't even have the balls to put his name on his posts. most bigots and religious zealots don't. robert is an exception.

Karl-T & tomm,

"Karl-T, thank you for your post. I am very proud to know you and to be associated with you!"

If you love Karl-T so much-- why don't you marry him!?! Oh...wait. You can't now. *Snicker* Sorry fellas. I almost forgot!

Hollis, that steps over the line. Tomm in texas is my father.

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Point one, I think that K-T, Glen Maxey, and others active in the gay community have just proved that they do, indeed, spend their time doing something else besides "looking for gay sex partners".

Point two, you accuse "nosy liberals" of telling everyone else how to live---um, I think you have us confused with the conservatives (on both the R and D sides) who like to legislate Americans' daily activities right down to what happens in the bedroom. You see, we really do believe that people are capable of making rational decisions on their own. We are not in the business of telling Americans who they can and cannot sleep with.

It seems that the progressive community does a lot more to improve the world and solve its problems than the conservatives like Robert Morrow and yourself who spread bigotry and hate. We don't spend all of our time discriminating against groups of people when there are more important, constructive things that need to be done.

If you are concerned about my questioning of the sexuality of persons such as Robert Morrow and yourself, who seem borderline obsessed with all things homosexual, perhaps you should reflect for a moment on how that looks--you know, individuals such as yourself and Robert Morrow obsessed with all things homosexual.

Want to protect marriage? How about thinking about changes in our society to lower the divorce rate. I doubt that the "threat" of gay marriage has led to heterosexual couples divorcing. I think that the fault there stems more from factors such as adultery, abuse, neglect, "irreconcilable differences", etc. I'm sure that Adam and Steve down the street have nothing to do with heterosexual America's marital woes. Instead of gaybashing, conservatives can probably do a lot of good looking at societal trends in divorce, and asking some hard questions about why Americans are divorcing after two years while still paying off the $50,000 wedding.

(Before I get flamed, I want to say that I am not against people getting divorced--other couple's marriages have nothing to do with me. And no one knows exactly what goes on in others' relationships--sometimes, divorce is the only option, and that will make each person much, much happier.)

As an aside, my liberal parents who have no issue with gays marrying will be celebrating 30 years this spring.

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So very true, Hollis. So very, very true.

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