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December 08, 2004You thought "f**k the south" was over?By Nathan NanceGuest post by Nate Nance The Gadflyer's Fly Trap has an interesting post today about the Democratic Party's national ambitions. Essentially, it explains that whenever the DLC kvetches about us not being a "national party" like the Republicans, that we give up the south and that's why we lose, they are just being idiots. The GOP is not a national party either, since after all, they totally gave up on campaigning in the Northeast and West. I get really tired of hearing some of the DLCers moan and groan how we need to be like the Republicans. I've even heard some Democrats saying things like "we should give up abortion, it'll play better to conservatives in the Heartland." and "we need to protect the party from those on the left." Excuse me? I'm Catholic and I hate abortions as much as James Dobson and Jerry Falwell, but the last time I checked, the Supreme Court said it was a right that American women have and I'm going to do my damndest to make sure a woman that wants an abortion can get one. And we are "the left." If you're not even slightly left-of-center, maybe you're in the wrong political party. If everyone else in your party disagrees with you, maybe you're really a Republican and would be happier with them. I mean, look at Zell Miller, he's happier now. I believe the key to Democratic victory is spending time and money to turn battleground states into blue states. Period. The more of the states we don't have to fight over later, the better. And we can do that by grassroots party building and GOTV efforts by party faithful. Infrastructure people! We don't need to be Republican-lite, which is why I want so desperately for Howard Dean to get the party chairmanship. He may not be as liberal as I am, but he knows he is a Democrat damnit! And he's gonna act like it. This is a guest post by Nate Nance. Nate is a sports/news clerk at the Waco Tribune-Herald and writer/editor of Common Sense a Texas-based Democratic Web log. He can be reached at nate_nance@yahoo.com. Posted by Nathan Nance at December 8, 2004 07:15 PM | TrackBackComments
Can you compare abortion rights to sterolds, cigarettes, and alcohol? Posted by: peter at December 9, 2004 10:10 AMWow ... worst post ever. Totally void of any substance. Built upon a straw man argument that falls apart once compared to reality. And serves the mere purpose of patting one's self on the back for the meager ability to type. Bravo! Now, if you can actually show us a quote or two from the DLC about how we need to become Republican-lite, I will quickly renounce my affinity for the group's progressive outlook on world affairs. Re: Abortion, I'm curious if you accept all Supreme Court rulings as vociferously as Roe v Wade? And please tell us what you would believe if the Supreme Court were to overturn Roe v Wade? Would you accept THAT ruling with as much force as you do at present? As one who is non-Catholic and pro-life, I'll stick to my principles and faith while urging our party to accept both sides of the argument while finding constructive ways to minimize abortions, teen pregnancies, and seek improved ways to make life healthier, more meaningful and full of opportunities for those that are born into this world. Oh lord ... does that make me a Republican, now? Posted by: Greg Wythe at December 9, 2004 11:26 AMYou would like to make Zell a Republican. Proud member of the DLC, intro'd Gov. Clinton in 92 at the convention, big role in 96, ran the plank cmtee for ALGORE, all those awards for educational improvement in Georgia, Governor of the Year, and now he's a Republican. Lifelong Democrat thru the system and you call him a Republican. You'd throw JFKennedy our way today too! He wouldn't like todays party. Y'all are right today, they are all wrong. Comments from the 'desert' here in 'Jesusland" Posted by: peter at December 9, 2004 12:31 PMA rising tide raises all boats. It's ridiculous to just pour money into battle ground states. First, that fs us over in the South and we're stuck with piss poor legislatures and governors who do just as much damage to our families as Dubya. Second, although popular votes doesn't matter, it gives the perception of momentum. If Democrats compete nationally and have a national message, everything else will naturally fall into place. Posted by: Jake at December 9, 2004 03:44 PMWell, Nate, isn't party of Dean's platform for Chair that we would put money into all fifty states and not just blue or swing states? How does this help Texas if all the time and resources are being spent on infrastructure in Blue and swing states? I'm a bit surprised that you support Howard Dean for chair if you disagree with his premise for running - that we need to spend money and resourses in Red, Blue and Swing states. At least that's my view... Posted by: Byron_LaMasters at December 9, 2004 03:59 PMOh, and don't take my comments as an endorsement of Howard Dean for Chair either... I think Dean has the right ideas, but I don't think that he's the right person to carry them. I think Simon Rosenberg has the right ideas, and I'm not sure he's the perfect messenger, but he's my first choice right now. It'll be interesting to see the race develop though. Posted by: Byron_LaMasters at December 9, 2004 04:02 PMI'm finally getting around to answering comments, so don't take my silence as anything more than I'm really busy and really lazy at the same time. Byron to answer you first, I support Dean because I think he frankly is big enough to lead the national party. I'm not opposed to putting money in Red States, I mean 40% of Texas voted for Kerry and we do need new leadership for Democrats in those areas. My thinking involves a divergence from the party under the DNC and presidential campaigning. I don't want a Democratic nominee campaigning in the South because it is a waste of resources when we know he's not going to win Georgia or Alabama. Over the longer-term, with the right kind of party leadership, that might become a different story, but for now it just seems silly like sending Cheney to Hawaii the final week. As for the abortion thing, obviously I don't agree with every SC ruling, but they do sit and make judgements. I think some of their judgements are more from a political ideology than reasoned interpretation of the Constitution, but this isn't a perfect world. If the Court sat tomorrow and decided that Roe v Wade needed to be overturned, that would be that. There might come a time later when a different set of justices could reaffirm it, but that's later. I think the smarter way to do things is proper education so that kids know what the consequences of their actions are, mature discussion with their parents and readily available contraceptives if it goes that far. protected,safe and rare as long as it is legal. Posted by: Nate at December 9, 2004 06:47 PMPost a comment
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