Burnt Orange Report

Abu-Ghraib is the dark side of this war and exposes, so tragically, that we have no moral authority concerning Iraq, and that the war is only counter-productive in that it will create more international resentment and hence terrorists.

The right wingers will surely consider such commentary "anti-american" and advocate a "love it or leave it" position. On the contrary, I love my country dearly and I love the principles for which she stands. It pains me to no end to see the leadership of my country abandon these principles and drag the good name of American through the mud.

Wake up, America's name has been dragged through the mud. It is NOT patriotic to deny this reality. It IS patriotic to see that our good name has been tainted, realize what it takes to correct the problem, and advocate change.

I love my country too much to allow those responsible for Abu-Ghraib to disgrace my country without a fight.

Note the similarity to Lyndie England's pose: the thumb's up gesture.

England : I was instructed by persons in higher rank to "stand there, hold this leash and look at the camera". And they took a picture for PsyOps and that's all I know ... I was told to stand there, give the thumbs-up, smile, stand behind all of the naked Iraqis in the pyramid [have my picture taken].

That's an excerpt from Jon Ronson's column in the Guardian, 10/30/04.

Part One is here

Jon Ronson's story is interesting enough. True? Appears to be. Yet it also links in with Major Weirdo Ed Dames, the remote viewer that's a fave on Art Bell's show.

Note the similarity to Lyndie England's pose: the thumb's up gesture.

England : I was instructed by persons in higher rank to "stand there, hold this leash and look at the camera". And they took a picture for PsyOps and that's all I know ... I was told to stand there, give the thumbs-up, smile, stand behind all of the naked Iraqis in the pyramid [have my picture taken].

That's an excerpt from Jon Ronson's column in the Guardian, 10/30/04.

Part One is here

Jon Ronson's story is interesting enough. True? Appears to be. Yet it also links in with Major Weirdo Ed Dames, the remote viewer that's a fave on Art Bell's show.

Karl, your comment was factual until you supposed..."one with a gun to his head". The GI and the "prisoner"'s left leg are positioned at about the same angle, with the left side of the stomach on the bed behind the GI. Unless this guys 10 feet tall and a contortionist, the guy he's sitting on head is not under the towel. I don't know whats under the towel, I don't know where the GI's left hand is, or whats in it. The two pictures on BOR do not indicate a gun to the head. A third photo not shown here has a gun in the picture, but no abuse. In fact, these "prisoners" appear to be relatively unhurt; where's the blood? Pardon me if i'm not upset here with these pictures your showing, where's the abuse? There must be something else, something more for the Navy to investigate this. These pictures, the four of them shown over at MYWAY.com, look normal to a war environment.

Lets not let our political motivations infringe upon our war effort.

Go to the local mall. Look at the first little kid and mother, ask yourself, is this GI pictured their father/husband? Look at the first elderly person, ask yourself, is this GI your son? Look at the first teenaged,twentysomething person, is he your brother?

Its easy to fight against war when your not envolved. Byron's father has been envolved somewhere in the past, Andrew's is about to be. Perspectives change with envolvement. Abuse is wrong. Abuse is wrong in war too. Sometimes things happen. War is abuse, but wars happen. John Kerry knows this.

Go Look at the beginning of "Saving Private Ryan". About twenty minutes in, when the Americans get up on top of the hill and are shooting Germans in the bunkers/trenches. See the scene when serveral Germans are trying to surrender and the soldier shoots them, because he could not understand what they were saying. If that were photo'ed today what would the reaction be? Those Germans, one could have been my father. He was serving at Cherbourg, luckily he was captured there too. He did his POW here in America, at camps in Opelika and Montgomery, Alabama. These camps were not the Holiday Inn, but he still imigrated back here at first chance after repatriation. I'm sure that many of these people on the other side would too.

We Americans are not the enemy. Individuals who do abuse prisoners are the problem. These individuals will be attended to.