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Texas Lawmakers Putting Guns In Science Labs, Health Clinics


by: Katherine Haenschen

Wed May 20, 2009 at 00:49 PM CDT


By allowing guns in buildings on college campuses, Texas lawmakers are knowingly allowing guns in the many different kinds of facilities found on a campus. While SB 1164 sailed through the Texas Senate yesterday and today, several sensible amendments to exclude particular facilities on campus failed resoundingly. Let's take a look at all of the places on campus where a majority of Texas Senators think we should have guns:

  • The On-Campus Health Center. UT's Health Services center is located in the Student Services Building, which would now allow concealed guns inside. So while we don't allow guns in stand-alone hospitals here in Texas, now you can bring one into your on-campus medical provider. They did exempt teaching hospitals today, however. So I guess guns are dangerous in some educational/medical settings, but not others.

  • The On-Campus Mental Health Center. Just a few floors up from health services in UT's SSB is mental health services, which will now allow concealed guns on the premises. Now, maybe a suicidal student with a gun in Mental Health will actually have a chance of getting the help they need before it's too late. But I'd rather the student not have a gun in their hands in the first place.

  • The On-Campus Science Labs. Especially the ones filled with highly reactive, highly explosive chemicals, in which an accidental firing can cause more than just mere death. This one is particularly rich with irony: the UT Dallas Chemistry lab prohibits food, drinks, cigarettes, short sleeves, shorts, and sandals in the lab, due to the inherent danger of the chemicals used therein. But explosive firearms? Bring 'em in!

(Ed. Note: After posting yesterday I received word from folks involved with this bill--final language has not been written yet, but apparently it will not permit guns in bars as I previously stated. However, the language does not yet make clear about science labs, campus health clinics, or on-campus charter school facilities and other facilities with children.

Two other reasonable amendments failed, which suggests that this is more about the ideology of putting guns everywhere than it is about safety.

One amendment would have allowed students to request a room without guns in it. Now tell me this--if concealed guns are all about personal liberty, what about my personal liberty to be in a room without guns? As an instructor, do I not have the personal liberty to work in a classroom where I know I won't get shot? Not in Texas!

One other failed amendment, authored by bill co-sponsor Sen. Lucio, would have allowed the Coordinating Board to change the law if they studied the issue and realized that safety was getting worse on campus. This is a pretty reasonable amendment: if guns make campus less safe, let's reconsider. Its failure, however, suggests that Lucio and other supporters of guns in schools don't actually care about campus safety. They just support the ideology behind extending the gun rights.

The fact of the matter is, this isn't about safety. This was never about making campuses safer for students, teachers, or anyone else. Campus already is safer: 93% of violent crimes against students happen off campus.

This bill is about extending the influence of the NRA and the conservative policies they support, pure and simple.

So, argue all you want about how we really, really need guns in campus chemistry labs and mental health clinics. The fact of the matter is, those of us who will be most directly impacted by this bill oppose it overwhelmingly. University administrations, faculty, staff, public safety officers, and students across Texas oppose guns in campus buildings. Rather than listen to us and the reasons why we don't want or need guns, Texas lawmakers are being swayed by the extreme end of the gun lobby, who refuse any reasonable, sensible limits on carrying guns.

In the six semesters I have worked as an instructor and teaching assistant here at UT, handling up to 75 students per semester on my own, I have never needed or wanted a gun in my classroom. I haven't wanted or needed a gun in my hands, or in those of my students. Many of my students have been 21 years of age or older, and legally eligible for a CHL. And frankly, if most of them can't remember to do their reading and pass their quizzes, I question whether they have the maturity and intelligence to handle a concealed weapon after only one day of training.

I've had students try to intimidate me, I've had students who seemed unstable due to stress, lack of sleep, family problems, you name it. Thanks to this bill, now I have to worry that if I refuse to change the student's grade or accept the late assignment, they might just pull out a gun. Frankly, I just don't see how that benefits anyone.

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Nice "bulleted" list, hahahaha, but... (0.00 / 0)
I believe one of the biggest contributing factors the United States' has to gun violence is the educational prohibition and boogieman tactics that many parents, a good portion of the Democratic Party, the media, movies, and 24-hour news stations portray. Believe it or not you are surrounded by guns on a day-to-day basis; at the mall, movie theater, on the street, maybe even unknowingly at home. Instead of a "oh my God it's a gun, run for the hills!" mentality, how about we embrace and educate children to adults about gun safety.

Only then may we possibly create a culture of understanding instead of fear and intolerance towards firearms. Because who knows, you may just want to know how to use one someday.    


But honestly (0.00 / 0)

This is much akin to the laws forbidding possession of marijuana.  Despite the law on the books, anyone who chooses to carry marijuana generally will be carrying it.  Same with concealed weapons.  You have absolutely no guarantee that your preschool faculty members aren't packing, even without this law.  Without having metal detectors in every doorway, a ban is utterly unenforceable anyway.  So while this is certainly grandstanding for the NRA base, I don't think it changes a single thing in real-world terms.  

You took the words out of my mouth (0.00 / 0)
I see this debate as much ado about nothing. A crazy with a gun can already get on campus and shoot his teacher. That will not change if SB 1164 passes.

After the concealed handgun license bill passed way back when (1994?), supporters predicted that crime would go down and opponents predicted mayhem in the streets. What actually happened? Not much. The same thing will happen if the CHL license is extended to campuses - nothing. A couple of students and teachers will keep a handgun in their backpack - big deal.


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With all due respect... (0.00 / 0)
Ms. Haenschen, your argument of personal liberty to lecture in a classroom without a weapon present, does not hold water.  Practically every law passed takes away someone's personal liberty.  I am sure you support the smoking ban in Austin, but "what about the business owner's personal liberty to allow smoking in his/her establishment"?  Where were people such as you, when we were taking the business owner's personal liberties away?  You speak of the evils of ideology, but it seems that your views are in fact, skewed by your own ideology.  It is all about perspective...

cant believe it (0.00 / 0)
i'm just glad my kids are through with college.
and texas reb, smoking or not in a restaurant is hardly akin to carrying a gun in a mental health center.  you can go some place and smoke at your leisure, but you cant even know if someone sitting next to you waiting for MH services is packing a gun...
if i were a university prof in texas i would quit.

Reply to "Can't believe it" (0.00 / 0)
Will you please explain why one citizen needs to be aware that another is exercising a constitutional right?  Liberals love to complain when someone's supposed constitutional right has been limited, in any way.  It is interesting that abortion, something the Supreme Court had to make up a new right in order to cover, can never be limited, according to liberals.  However, the right to keep and bear arms, spelled out in the Bill of Rights because our founding fathers felt it was imperative to a free society, should be severely curtailed. The key words are to "bear arms."  It does someone no good to "keep" a gun in their home, unless they can "bear" it and protect themselves outside of their home.  Further, someone who is going to bring a gun into a healthcare center is not concerned whether the gun he is carrying is legally allowed in the center.

Fear mongering and half-truths, as usual. (0.00 / 0)
I have to admit that you are right about one thing.  In my opinion, this is about "ideology" - The ideology of removing nonsensical restrictions on my basic rights that serve not to make anyone safer, but only to mollify your hysteria.  I can assure you, contrary to your accusation, I am not against reasonable restrictions on my freedoms.  I just have yet to hear an argument against SB 1164 that passes that test.  It's just a lot of "what if"s that ignore the facts and "ew, guns are icky and make me uncomfortable."

Tell me, if you are so in favor of the amendment that would have allowed the law to be changed as a result of a study, why do you completely ignore the already-existing mountain of evidence that shows that concealed carry is safe?

Finally, please stop embarrassing yourself by saying that suddenly you'll have to worry about being shot.  Every time concealed carry rights have won additional legal protection, that's been one of the chicken-little counter-arguments, and without fail, it's turned out to be wrong.


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