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Van de Putte: Obama's "Still Got a Lot of Work To Do"


by: David Mauro

Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:00 AM CDT


Even as polls show Barack Obama doing very well among Hispanic voters, state Sen. Leticia Van de Putte (D-San Antonio) is "still concerned about the enthusiasm level [for Obama] in her predominantly Hispanic district," the San Antonio Express-News reported.

Have those wounds, particularly the hurt feelings of older Latinas who saw their own struggle in Clinton's historic candidacy, had enough time to heal? Does it make a difference now that the buzz out of Washington, D.C., is Clinton almost assuredly won't be Obama's running mate?

“If you drive through my district, those Hillary signs aren't coming down yet,” said Van de Putte on Friday. “My hope is through the convention and shortly thereafter to make them (Hillary supporters) feel more comfortable.”

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It is a tougher problem for Obama as his race against Republican John McCain is tightening in some national polls. Older Latinos, particularly those of Mexican-American descent in the Southwest, tend to be solid Democratic voters, so any lack of zeal for Obama within any sector of the community could be problematic for his candidacy.

“I really believe they're going to vote for Senator Obama,” Van de Putte reasoned, “but I want them to have the level of engagement and excitement they would have had for a Hillary Clinton ticket.

“I think it will take a while,” she said.

Local political consultant JoAnn Ramon has built a career on cajoling area Democrats to vote straight-ticket in partisan elections. And she sees the same hurdles for Obama among “more experienced” Latinas in her South Side stomping grounds.

“The Latinas have been very adamant,” Ramon said. “If (Obama) doesn't take Hillary, they're going to skip that race on the ballot.”

The 64-year-old Ramon conceded that even a party loyalist like herself needed “a grieving period” to get past the end of Hillary's presidential candidacy.

“It's hard,” she said.

What Obama needs, Van de Putte and Ramon agreed, is for Clinton to vouch for him in person in heavily Hispanic areas. And it must go beyond the featured role that Clinton will be given at the national convention.

“You've got to believe it to sell it,” Ramon said. “Hillary is really going to have to say something, and she's really going to have to campaign for him.”

Van de Putte said it helps, but it's not enough, to simply acknowledge that Obama emphasizes the same priorities as the larger Hispanic community — education, health care and the economy.

To hear it from Hillary's lips, on the stump, could make all the difference in the world ...

For various reasons, it seems unlikely that Hillary Clinton will be the vice-presidential nominee. I hope she is still well utilized by the Obama campaign to do outreach to groups that overwhelmingly supported her during the primaries.

Democrats will have to work hard to hold on to the voters that JoAnn Ramon speaks of: Hispanic women who plan to skip the presidential race if Clinton is not on the ticket. South Texas Chisme wrote yesterday that he will not be voting in the presidential election, either. 

While this is not as bad as the seemingly irrational Clinton supporters who have defected to McCain, it is important to have complete Democratic unity for victory in November.

Also, Hillary Clinton will be campaigning for Obama in Nevada and Miami, FL later this month in a continued effort to reach out to Hispanic voters on behalf of Obama. 

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I find it completely irrational (5.00 / 4)
that voters would have developed such an obsession with a single candidate that they would be unwilling to vote their principles in one of the most important elections in our history.

Now, whether that's understandable irrationality - well, that's another question. But this year, for those who consider themselves Democrats,"skipping the race" on the ballot because your first choice lost the nomination, is certainly an irrational decision and entirely self-defeating. If you believe in what Hillary claims to stand for, handing victory to McCain through inaction makes no sense at all.  


I completely agree (5.00 / 3)
I hope that the more Senator Clinton campaigns for Obama the more obvious this becomes.  

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Not to mention...What the heck is she talking about? (5.00 / 2)
There is no evidence they are 'skipping the election' or voting Republican.  Latinos selected Barack Obama for president over Republican John McCain by 66 percent to 23 percent in a recent nationwide survey by the Pew Hispanic Center.  How much Hillary campaigns for Barack in Latino districts is up to her not him.  How is that "still a lot of work to do" for him?

[ Parent ]
I don't think Obama can clean this up, he's not the right person to do it (0.00 / 0)
it may likely hurt him if it doesn't get cleaned up, but he is the wrong person to do it. in fact i would argue that he can't, unless by fixing the problem you mean allowing himself to be bullied into putting a former rival on the ticket to keep the PUMA crowd on board.

what are Leticia Van de Putte and Hillary going to do to fix this?

I don't mean to rehash the primary, but I haven't seen nearly the level of vocal, out front, active support from Sen. Clinton or her surrogates that we were promised toward the primary. just a bunch of statements about how the two step system is awful and "by the way, how exactly IS Obama going to fix this mess?"

maybe those were just hollow "i'll call you" kind of statements, but I expect all of them to make good on them, and I haven't seen it yet.

Clinton's surrogates should quit asking how Obama is going to fix the division and GET TO WORK DOING IT!

The "lot of work to do" is not Obama's but Hillary's and other surrogates like Van de Putte


[ Parent ]
The party needs to get over the Clintons (1.00 / 2)

The fact that there seem to be numerous pockets of voters who would vote for McCain as an alternative to Hillary illustrates the problem.  Hillary Clinton, who by some counts voted with the Republican leadership 85% of the time in her Senate career, is way too divisive and right-wing for the party to successfully build the coalition of grass-roots working people, minorities, seniors, students (you know - the huge American majority that gets labeled by both Republicans and DLC Dems as "special interests").  Her nasty playing of the race card, her courting of Richard Mellon Scaife, and her backhanded endorsement by Ann Coulter show that the party needs to purge the Clintons if it has any hope of becoming a true majority party again.

I'm still convinced that the Clintons are going to work to undermine Obama in every way possible, so that Hillary can make a run for the presidency in 2012.  I think it would be far better, and more in keeping with her actual voting record, if she made that run as a Republican, not a Democrat.



What counts? (0.00 / 0)
You say that "by some counts [Hillary] voted with the Republican leadership 85% of the time in her Senate career."

I'd be very interested in seeing these "counts."

The party doesn't need to "get over the Clintons."

Just like some former Clinton supporters need to get over their irrational support of McCain, you too need to get over your irrational hatred of the Clintons.


[ Parent ]
umm (3.00 / 1)
Obama won, the primary is over. In case you missed the memo, we're about "unity" now. Trashing the candidate that 49% of Democrats supported doesn't get the the stragglers on board any faster.

And seriously, calling her a Republican is about the same as people saying they'll vote for a Republican instead of Sen. Obama.  In fact, it's legitimizing that numskull idea.  "Well people are saying I voted for a Republican in the primaries, I guess I'll go ahead and vote for the Republican in the fall."

It's time to move forward.


[ Parent ]
I'm just saying... (5.00 / 1)

Sure, move forward, but don't forget to watch your back.  

 


[ Parent ]
Still waiting to see what "counts" you were referring to (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Here are the numbers (0.00 / 0)
David if he won't produce it I'll help out.  Here's an article from the Washington Post on Clinton's and Obama's records in the Senate. Granted it does say they have the briefest voting records in the Senate as of 1/1/2007.  However up to that point they voted with Democrats more than 90% of the time.

I think you are correct that there is a Clinton hatred in the post that needs to be understood. I would suggest to lassiter that if you are going to promote an idea back it with real facts and not untrue allegations. For your composition and attitude I give you a "1." (Heck, it's almost time for the Olympics. I got wrapped up in the 5 rings moment.)


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Well, that was part of the problem... (0.00 / 0)

I certainly won't dispute that.  The main problem for the Dems is that the Senate Democrats also voted with the Republican leadership most of the time (war funding, wiretapping, PATRIOT Acts I & II, Supreme Court nominations, you name it).    

I regret I can no longer find the website that compiled the 85% figure, but it was based solely on votes recorded on the thomas.loc.gov website and linked to the appropriate thomas.loc.gov page to show each vote.  

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.


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Now that's a different story (0.00 / 0)
I think that's more of the story you are trying to bring out but don't lay it all on Clinton. To help you out with the votes here's the raw data as compiled by the Washington Post.  According to the latest data she has voted with a majority of her Democratic colleagues 97.2% of the time, pretty much a Democratic in my mind.

Now you are probably right in that the Democrats may have voted with the Republican leadership but don't call her a Republican as if she broke from the ranks. That's half the story and doesn't do anything for furthering the debate.

BTW, Obama has voted 96% of the time withe the majority of Democrats but doesn't have as much time in seat as Clinton.

So I might be able to give you the 85% (I haven't done the math) but that doens't make her a Republican, especially based on her track record with the Democratic majority.


[ Parent ]
But why single out Clinton? (0.00 / 0)
I thought she voted the right way on FISA, has the same voting record on war funding as Obama, and has a good record on Supreme Court nominations.

If you had said "Senate Democrats" need to show more backbone I would have agreed. But to single out Clinton is not only intellectually dishonest but, at this point in the election season, extremely counterproductive.


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Let's hope this is just the beginning (0.00 / 0)
I expect Clinton to campaign for Noriega and Obama in South Texas before November.

[ Parent ]
i sure hope you're right (0.00 / 0)
we really need her here in Texas for the down ballot races, not to mention New Mexico, Colorado, hell the whole Southwest

[ Parent ]
Joann Ramon speaking for "experienced latinas." (5.00 / 2)
I guess that means "experienced at skipping presidential elections over identity politics?!?"

Quick, someone hire Joann to solve the problem she's creating...


Van de Putte - "Obama's still got a lot of work to do" (0.00 / 0)
I like both Clinton & Obama and wished they could both be on the ticket. However, getting a Democrat in office is more important than crying over spilled milk. I understand that many wanted Clinton as our touch bearer. I admit that I was torn between the two and only made my decision in the booth as I prepared to vote in the primary.

But showing up as one force in November is vital. I can see it now: the same people that refuse to vote for Obama now will be the same people who will complain and raise 'cain' later because McCain messed up something beneficial to them. So much for party unity..

I was thinking - how would people have acted if Clinton got the nomination and not Obama? Would the Obama supporters act the way Clinton supporters act now?  


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