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Obama's Possible VP Candidate Tim Kaine: Speech at the TDP Convention


by: Phillip Martin, Progress Texas

Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 00:51 PM CDT


Yesterday's article in the Washington Post that Senator Obama is "seriously considering" Virginia Governor Tim Kaine as his Vice Presidential candidate has gotten a lot of folks talking.

Primarily, the concern is that Kaine is about as far-from progressive as anyone could imagine. Virginia's top state-based blog, "Raising Kaine" helped elect Kaine Governor. Today, here's what they write about him, in a post titled, "Won't Get Kained Again":

Three years into the Kaine Administration, Virginia Progressives stand aghast at what it has become. From his repeal of the estate tax to his abandoned plan for universal Pre-K, to his opposition to embryonic stem cells, from his failed transportation plans to cozy relationship to Dominion Power and his reprehensible support of the Wise Coal Plant, the Kaine administration has fulfilled our every early fear and never failed to disappoint progressive Virginia.

(Hat tip to Open Left for the original post).

Wow. I mean, I don't want anything to do with Kaine. Nothing. I hope he isn't really considered on the ticket, and his name is being thrown out there to "feed the beast" of the media for another wek or so. Because someone who opposed stem cell research, supports the construction of coal plants, and apparently has no record of success on any public policy issue should not be our VP. 

With a mindset that Kaine is little more than a 21st century Joe Lieberman, I decided to go back and watch his speech at the Texas Democratic Party Convention in early June. After watching it, I came away thinking one predominant thing:

Tim Kaine is a perfect stump candidate for Vice President. Here's why:

  • He perfectly compliments the stateman-like persona of Obama's public speaking without even drawing a real comparison. He's young, exciting, and enthusiastic. He doesn't mind yelling -- but does so in a way that really fired me up. And while he's great on message, his oratory skills leave a lot to be desired. His repetitions were rather drawn out and forced, so while I liked what he was saying, I wasn't impressed with how he was speaking -- instead, I just felt fired up. Which is what you want from a stump candidate for Vice President -- especially a plain-spoken one that can go into the Appalachia country where Clinton outperformed Obama.

  • "Andando Con La Gente!" For about a minute (go to the 2:45 mark of the video) Kaine slips into perfect Spanish. It sounds authentic (re: not forced), he's comfortable in the language, and he weaves into it seamlessly. A stump candidate that can call up Spanish phrases at a moment's notice is impressive.

  • He speaks passionately about the importance of down-ballot races. Everyone thinks, "Kaine on the ticket helps Obama in Virginia." That may be true, but the more important piece is that Virginia on the ticket helps Obama in other conservative states. The Virginia story (Mark Warner, Kaine, and Jim Webb) is incredibly encouraging for red-staters like Texas, Montana, Idaho, etc.

    As a stump candidate for Vice President, Kaine would be expected to be a huge partisan -- but he can avoid his bad history on policy issues (he'll just be repeating Obama's, and unfortunately no one ever scrutinizes the Vice Presidential candidates that much) and just talk about winning down-ballot races. Then, every speech he gives in Obama's "50-state strategy" becomes a speech where he shows how passionate he is about down-ballot races. Obama appears in swing states, Kaine in likely McCain states, but either way, an audience feels good when they leave

Remember -- I started watching this video not liking Kaine. I already didn't like him because he (and his staff) were surprisingly and unnecessarily pushy backstage at the TDP convention (where I was volunteering). After reading about his policies, I liked him even less. Suffice to say, I'm really, really unexcited about any prospects of him as Vice President.

But if the only measuring stick is, "how good of a stump candidate for Vice President" would Kaine be, I'd have to say excellent. He can speak in Spanish, delivers red-meat to the base without becoming too partisan or overshadowing Obama, and can honestly tell a real-life story of flipping conservative states red-to-blue.

He's one of the worst choices for anyone who cares about policy, but is a damn good choice for anyone who only cares about politics. 

Given how well he compliments Obama on the campaign trail, progressive Democrats are going to have to work extra hard if we don't want Kaine and his long list of terrible, terrible policies as a Vice Presidential candidate. 

Watch Kaine's speech below: 

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I agree 100% (4.00 / 2)
I really do not want to see Tim Kaine as Vice President. The thought of him one day becoming the face of the Democratic Party worries me.

Thanks for writing this up, Phil.


It's STILL (0.00 / 0)
Gonna be Bayh, which ain't much better than Kaine policywise.

I don't think (0.00 / 0)
it will be Bayh. Obama/Bayh sounds funny.

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Raising Kaine (0.00 / 0)
Reading RK posts and comments gives insight to perspectives from fellow progressives in a red state with a moderate govenor. It must be hell for the VA left watching their Dem gov supporting right wing causes.  That feeling of being sold out by a Dem is painfully worse that being pooped on by the right.  
He sure do give good stump...

Remember George H.W. as VP? (0.00 / 0)
I am not that bothered by Tim Kaine as VP because I remember George H.W. Bush as VP.

Remember back in 1980 how George H.W. was your typical Yankee Country Club Republican before he was picked to be Ronald Reagan's VP.

Remember how his positions changed during the eight years as Reagan's VP to match the new evangelical/anti-government mainstream of the Republican Party.

The same will happen with Obama's VP.


No way! (0.00 / 0)
Look, heaven forbid that something happens to Obama, but let's say it did, could we stand another 3 or 4 years of Republican like government?  Seriously.  Somehow we have got to recover from this disastrous corporate takeover of our country and Kaine is going to do nothing to help this.  We need someone with the same ideals and forward thinking as Obama to put our country on the track to recovery.

used to work for Kaine (4.33 / 3)
Feel he needs to be defended a little. I've worked in campaigns in Texas and Virginia. People there are disappointed with him, on the transportation bill, stem cells, and his kowtowing to the utilities. It's really bad when the GOP brings up your transportation bill to spite you and none of your Democrats back you up on the vote. Part of his problem is that he will never be able to get past the Mark Warner legacy. In Virginia you only get one term. The GOP in Richmond got run over by a smart Mark Warner on budget and tax issues, and vowed to never be charmed again by another Democrat. Tim wanted a legacy but had to settle for half a loaf on transporation which was a failure, and the pre-k bill. The moderate Republicans who helped Warner didn't feel the loyalty to help Tim, and most of them retired and many were replaced by arch conservatives. But thank god there isn't a Governor Jerry Kilgore around.His best moment was the leadership he showed during the Va Tech tragedy.

Tim's political talents are enormous. He won counties in Virginia in 2005 that are the equivalent of a Democrat winning Williamson, Fort Bend, or Tarrant here in Texas. Even Mark Warner couldn't win Virginia Beach. Where Mark was a natural in the rural areas, Tim Kaine is a natural among the office park suburbanites and urban dwellers.He kept together a huge political infrastructure in Virginia, invested big money into the voter file, and field programs for the top races in 2007. Top tiered candidates for the House and Senate had paid Field Directors and canvassers.I know campaigns here would love that.

Having watch the last couple of days of coverage, I think this is a trial balloon, and that he won't get the nod. It will probably go to Bayh or Sebilius. Kaine will likely be considered for Attorney General, Secretary of Education, or maybe even Ambassador to the Vatican in the Obama Administration, but I'm getting ahead of myself. He deserves criticism and he's received it in Virginia, but if he was on the ticket, you could put him in the heavily catholic areas in the midwest, and in the southwest where he and Richardson stumping for Barack, they'd be unstoppable.  


Thanks (0.00 / 0)
I tried to make clear -- in my reflections on how great a speaker he was -- that he was clearly a skilled politician. Though I think the comparison you're looking for is more like Congressman Chet Edwards (not D's in Williamson, Tarrant, etc.).

Thanks for the comment. Good stuff.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


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I listened to him (0.00 / 0)
He doesn't sound southern at all. He needs a better haircut.

he grew up in (0.00 / 0)
Suburban Kansas City. His wife and in laws all have that thick SW Virginia accent.

He (0.00 / 0)
could use some of that.

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I like Kaine as VP because he helps in Virginia and Missouri, (0.00 / 0)
because he helps with Catholics and Evangelicals, because he helps with Spanish speakers, because he brings experience dealing with tough housing problems, because he supported Obama very early and they are obviously friends, because his experience is outside the Beltway, and mostly because he would fill a support role rather than crowding Obama's spotlight.

Kaine is way too moderate for my taste as a presidential candidate (but not to the right of Bayh or -- on most issues -- Richardson), but he's fine in a support role and he would make Obama's ticket stronger.


Look at history (0.00 / 0)
Chances are that if Obama wins, Kaine will one day be the Democratic nominee for president.

If he's "too moderate" to be president, than he's "too moderate" to be president.


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Look at history (0.00 / 0)
Chances are that if Obama wins, Kaine will one day be the Democratic nominee for president.

If he's "too moderate" to be president, than he's "too moderate" to be president.


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Ideologically, Kaine is very comparable to Gore in '92. By the (0.00 / 0)
time it came for Gore to run on his own, he had grown politically and many of his views had matured toward a more progressive perspective.  Now, just 8 years later, he might be too liberal to win a national office (still not liberal enough for my taste, but perhaps already too liberal for the electorate).

Kaine shares Gore's capacity to mature in a progressive manner.  Besides, Obama IS NOT going to pick anyone who's on the liberal half of the party, so if we're going to have a moderate VP candidate, we may as well have one who can help us win.


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Brings up a fundamental question... (0.00 / 0)
With the VP having no inherent powers and only being as powerful as the POTUS lets him be, should his policy be more important than his politics?  Gore and Cheney are examples of very powerful VPs who got through policy initiatives.  George HW Bush and Dan Quayle are examples of VPs who spent their entire time touring Zambia and shaking hands.  Obviously, for McCain, there is a VERY real risk his health won't allow him to finish one term.  With Obama, that does not seem to be a remote concern.  The flipside to this is, exactly how important POLITICALLY is a VP? In my opinion, at BEST they deliver a state...

So, where does this leave me.  Quite simply, I am bored by Biden and scared by Bayh (let's just avoid all B names... shall we?.  I'm underwhelmed by Kaine.  In my opinion, the Obama campaign has gotten stuck in the mud as of late.  They went from being a major movement/happening and are now unable to keep that momentum going.  Of course, the convention will jumpstart the campaign, as they always do.  However, picking someone unexpected yet monumental could do it sooner.  I'm STILL stuck on Claire McCaskel as the IDEAL choice (brings a swing state, is articulate, is tough, and is part of the "new politics" paradigm).  She's clearly an outsider and reinforces the change message.  

What about the fourth in the "so-called" short-list... Sebalius?  Well, underwhelming in her state of the union response, doesn't bring Kansas with her, and almost as boring as Biden.  

Of course, to return to the original subject of my post, all of this is discussing SOLELY the politics of the decision... so how important IS the policy?  It was obviously the ONLY reason Bush chose Cheney.  If it IS policy we want, who really delivers an articulate Democratic policy with the gravitas we'd want?


A state and a perception (0.00 / 0)
David there's a lot of meat in your post. I agree with you in your position regarding delivery. I would add another aspect to the VP position.

The POTUS is the primary target of policy and position. However perception that the VP might need additional credentials to fill out the office as a whole (POTUS and VPOTUS). In other words, while we will never expect the VP to really push policy, in the election we're sure going to look at them to provide that "trusted" voice to the president.

So voters will assess the ticket in general at some point and that point may be a critical time to have a solid ticket. Having Sebalius would definitely have an issue with name recognition. Then again, having a B___ might have too much recognition by the voters. So maybe a Kaine is a good one to put in the middle. I agree that the Obama campaign has kind of bogged down lately.  Hopefully after the selection the campaign can get in convention mode and then in full force campaign mode.

We seem to have stagnated in the summer. Maybe the kickoff of football season will be a good motivator to get people back in the spirit. Something's gotta get our blood going.


[ Parent ]
McCaskill? (3.00 / 1)
She has been in the senate for a year and a half. I think we can do better than that.

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McCaskill is better than that (0.00 / 0)
Having personally known Claire for 14 years, talking about Claire only in terms of her Senate service does not reflect all of Claire's experience prior to going to Washington.

Prior to becoming a Senator, she was a state legislator, then the Prosecuting Attorney for Jackson County where she started the first drug court in the state, then State Auditor for 8 years.  While she doesn't bring foreign policy experience, she brings as much executive experience as anyone else being mentioned on the short list.


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I like McCaskill fine (0.00 / 0)
but that doesn't mean she is our best choice to be vice president.

In the last two elections, she has one narrow win and one narrow loss. It is hard to argue that she would help substantially in Missouri and she is not well known nationally.

She is a good senator, but she just doesnt have the record that at this point that I think a vice president should have.


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We all know your choice... (0.00 / 0)
While we ALL know you want HRC to be the VP nom, it looks increasingly likely that that simply will not be the case.  So, with that option off the table, we have to vet some other options.  Claire brings in a new leadership/change/anti Washington presence... the same image Obama brings to the table.  For me, that reinforces the message and brands the Obama campaign even further as "the change ticket."  

If we wanted to go with the most experience and ideological purity (policy wise), we'd pick Ted Kennedy.  I LOVE Ted Kennedy, but I think we can all agree that's not the right direction for us to go this time around.  


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Not to mention (0.00 / 0)
Kennedy has a malignant glioma (probably glioblastoma multiforme) and most likely 12 months to live, at the outside.

That makes him a pretty poor candidate for VP.

You know who I'd like to have seen as Veep? Wellstone. Sniff. He's got even more challenges than Kennedy.

Just please god do not let it be Evan "Lieberman Lite" Bayh.


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Don't assume (0.00 / 0)
I was a big supporter of Sen. Clinton during the primaries, but this is Barack Obama's decision to make.

I understand what you're saying about McCaskill, I just think that it would be foolish to have two senators on a ticket with a combined 5 years senate experience.

I know they both have impressive accomplishments outside the senate, but it would give too much of an opening to the GOP to peg them as inexperienced.

A few potential VPs I'd like to see (but don't seem likely) are Wes Clark, Brian Schweitzer, Ted Strickland and Russ Feingold.


[ Parent ]
that should say "Don't Assume." with a period. (3.00 / 1)
There are plenty of reasons not to think McCaskill is our best bet for VP and none of them have to do with my past support for Hillary Clinton.

I want Obama to pick someone who will help him (1) win the election and (2) govern effectively and successfully.


[ Parent ]
That worried me (3.00 / 1)
for a second. :-)



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Picking Clair McCaskill as VP (0.00 / 0)
would tick off a lot of female Clinton supporters.  Tim Kaine, I believe, is anti-choice.  One theory I read is that Kaine is being floated a trial ballon so that we'll all feel relieved at whoever he does pick, 'cuz that person would certainly be more acceptable than Kaine.  I would like Obama to pick someone more experienced and truly progressive... Wes Clark comes to mind.  

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