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The Texas Misstep…


by: liberaltexan

Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 06:53 PM CDT


( - promoted by Karl-Thomas Musselman)

This morning the Advisory Committee on the Texas Democratic Party Convention/Caucus System met at Austin Community College to, according to an email from the Texas Democratic Party Chairman Boyd L. Richie, "studying the current convention/caucus system. Furthermore, based on the testimony taken at these meetings, the committee will then consider this feedback and possibly make recommendations for changes."

This has been a difficult issue for this blogger to take a firm position on, in part because that the caucus system is one of the reasons that I became involved in Democratic politics. However, it would be disingenuous of me to ague a position without honestly examining the system and giving an honest assessment. Which has led me to this position: the Texas Democratic Party primary system of caucuses and ballet voting is a flawed misstep.  

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One of the problems with the current primary system is that it dilutes votes, and it takes away from the importance of a voter casting their single vote. The saying is often heard: one person, one vote. By using this two part system you are penalizing people that in many cases cannot participate in the caucuses.

Another problem with the caucus system is voter disenfranchisement. The caucuses tend to lend towards participation by more affluent white voters. Caucuses are held in the evenings after the polls are closed, during which time those people that are employed in the evenings cannot attend. This also affects elderly voters, disabled voters, single parent voters, and voters living overseas just to name a few. Here in lies the problem; for a party that prides itself on being the party that defends the rights and liberties of minority groups they are same party that is stifling their voice.

Proponents of the dual caucus and voting system have used the argument that the system was created to increase voter turnout and encourage participation. This year 2,874,986 votes where cast in the Texas presidential primary, 839,231 votes where cast in 2004, 786,890 votes where cast in 2000, 921,256 where cast in 1996, and 1,483,047 where cast in 1992. The almost 3 million votes cast had nothing to do with the system used, and everything to do with the people of Texas (and the rest of that county) speaking out for change.

According to the United States Election Project, voter turn out in Iowa increased to 236,000 in 2008 from 122,193 in 2004 and 61,000 in 2000. However, caucus states had a lower percentage of voter turn out than non-caucus states. Iowa and New Mexico had the highest percentage in caucus states (16.3% and 11.2%), while New Hampshire and California had the highest percentage in non-caucus states (52.5% and 41.7%).

The sour grapes argument, that the opposition to the system is mainly Senator Hillary Clinton supporters who are bitter about the primary, is nothing but divisive and diversionary. Those who support Barack Obama, such as this blogger, should feel fortunate that the Democratic Party has been able to unite behind one candidate. Whether or not the primary system is right or wrong has nothing to do with whether or not you supported Senator Obama or Senator Clinton.

The primary system needs to be changed. The Texas Democratic Party must adopt a system of primary voting only. Precinct conventions should be held on the Saturday following the election in order to give everyone an equal opportunity to voice their opinions on local issues and elect precinct delegates.

According to David Mauro, of the Burnt Orange Report, Texas State Senator Royce West said at the committee meeting that there will be four or five hearings over the next three or four months throughout Texas.  Local county Democratic Party leaders should organize meetings on their own in order to provide more input to the committee.

Texas Democrats need to speak out. We need to write our Democrat Party officials, we need to speak out at the committee meetings. We need to make sure that we protect the rights of our fellow Democrats.

Should Texas Democrats really be proud of the President Bill Clinton quote, "Texas is the only place in America where you can vote twice in the same election without going to jail"?

If this year is truly about change, then we need to correct our misstep and step into the future of a truly Democratic Texas Party.

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Flawed logic, sir (4.00 / 3)
The two step has strengthened our party.  Participation in the delegate selection caucuses gives voice to those who often have nothing to give but their labor.  

It's patronizing to say that only affluent white voters have a real chance to use the caucus.  Working class whites are by far the majority of the white population in Texas.  Yet every precinct convention I heard about had the biggest mix of people you could ever imagine.

The importance of the single vote?  For goodness sake, where did that come from?  I've never heard of any of the people claiming advocate abolishing run off elections in favor of Instant Runoff Voting--why is it so important for Party affairs?

Granted, it would be a good idea to move the precinct conventions to a Saturday (preferably with the primary as well todrive up turn out) but other than that and improving sign in procedures the two step remains one of the better features of our Democratic Party.


What? (3.00 / 1)
I've never heard of any of the people claiming advocate abolishing run off elections in favor of Instant Runoff Voting--why is it so important for Party affairs?

Not sure about that statement. Maybe you could break it down or fix it. If it says what I think it says, you are comparing runoff elections to the precinct conventions? Well, that's just a big stretch. But maybe you're not saying that.


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Some would argue both disfranchise voters (3.00 / 1)
One can make strong arguments that both potentially disfranchise voters.  One eliminates some voters who can't show up at two different events and the other eliminates choices from voters who do show up for the second event.  

What strikes me as odd is that some folks are suddenly totally opposed to the one form of disfranchisement but nothing else that has the same effect.

I don't doubt the sincerity of those pressing their beliefs but I do question the timing of the posts.


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Can't you absentee and/or early vote (3.00 / 1)
for a runoff election? I don't think you can compare runoff elections to precinct conventions.

Where did you come up with this?  


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Not always possible (2.00 / 1)
Military voters sometimes get shipped out with little or no notice.  Parents of sick children sometimes don't have time to do anything.

My point is that supporters of abolishing the two-tep seem awfully dedicated to the idea of only having to do one thing: vote in the primary.  Their concern doesn't seem to carry over to its logical conclusion--if it is so important to vote only once then why are they not urging that consistently?

It just makes me question their motives.


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Well (3.00 / 1)
What would be their motives? Maybe you could explain that better.

Again, I don't see how you can compare runoff elections with primaries and precinct conventions. There are no delegates selected in a runoff. This is just not comparable. Totally different.


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Right about one thing (3.67 / 3)
The sour grapes caucus slayers are divisive.  Caucuses this cycle allowed us to break out of the "it's your turn to kiss the ring and be the nominee" trap we've been in since 1980.  The consequence?  We'll probabaly win this time.

You probably should stop using the term "sour grapes". (3.00 / 2)
I am motivated to change the caucus by ideals, not "sour grapes". Calling people "sour grapes caucus slayers" is what is potentialy divisive, although silly name calling doesn't affect me. Nothing can divide me from my party or from my goals of electing a Democrat to the White House.

We will win this time for the same reasons that we won back the U.S. Congress in 2006 and picked up seats in the Texas Legislature - the voters prefer Democratic solutions and positions on major issues and are fed up with the failures of Bush. We will win because people want an end to the Iraq disaster, they want affordable and universal health insurance, and they want an improved economy.

The times that our nominee won the presidency since 1980 were 1992 and 1996. In 1992, we also won because voters were rejecting the failures of a Bush administraion and favoring Democratic solutions.


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The Two Step will be History (3.00 / 2)
The Two Step you will be phased out..count on it. It even violates DNC rules. Use a caucus or a primary, but not both. Your personal experience with the two-step does not change the fact that it is undemocratic.  In most years, the caucus is attended by a small % of the electorate in Texas and tips the balance of power to party insiders to choose the nominee. The Two Step process can be used by the party to choose individual party members advancing to the next level, but not to determine a delegate count for candidates. The two-step places an unfair hardship for those with disabilities, single parents, the working poor..etc...the list could go on. Voting should be easier for people to participate not harder. Democrats should insist upon this, not create a system within our own party that divides the power of the vote based on who is more capable of giving their time.

Why? (4.00 / 3)
1st  Step is a poll of the general public. 2nd Step is a poll of the "troops".  By "troops", I mean the volunteer base for a successful fall campaign. The potential of undemocratic power of  the "Super Delegates" is what needs to be restrained by the National Democratic Party, not the Texas Two Step.

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Same arguments. (4.40 / 5)
The two-step places an unfair hardship for those with disabilities, single parents, the working poor..etc...the list could go on.

Largely bullshit, and largely irrelevant as well. Of the 193 people at my caucus in a rural county, you'd be hard-pressed to classify ANY of them as "affluent", most of them were working parents, lots of elderly, several disabled, etc. Of course not everyone can make it, but that's not the point of the precinct conventions.    

As I've said before,  the two components are measuring different things. Those who can and do make it out to caucus are also going to be more likely to volunteer, pound pavement and whatever else it takes to win in November. It's meant to quantify the depth of a candidate's support. And again, if you don't think that should matter, look no further than our last two nominees.

I'm all for moving the primary and/or caucus to a Saturday, reducing the caucus share to 1/4 or maybe 1/5 or whatever, and fixing the archaic sign-in process, but the problems with the caucus system in Texas this year stemmed from the leadership vacuum (deterioration of the local party structure in nearly 2/3 of the state) and neglect by the party in updating and streamlining the process.
The simple fact that we chose some of our nominating delegates based on their supporters' level of commitment is not wrong in and of itself, IMO. The fact that we had so many vacant chairs and so few local party officials who understood the rules of the process and were trained to run it fairly and properly IS wrong, and is what we should really be working to rectify. People who dislike the 2-step make many strong arguments, but the "undemocratic" one misses the point of the whole thing.  


Free Speech..Right to Assemble..Right to Petition?? (3.00 / 2)
There are plenty of ways to show your activism and "get involved". Do not use the Two Step as the only way to participate. i am glad your caucus went well, my did too for me. But the problem exists for the multitude of people THAT WERE NOT THERE. Your arguments totally miss the point. The systm used should not be what works for you and me, or even the party really, but what upholds the integrity of equality of opportunity in the participation and the counting of votes. You just danced your last "Two- Step"

Well, I will make sure I am there (4.25 / 4)
to advocate to keep the Texas Two Step.  I am all for party building and using any tools made available.  The turn out this year was historical and will probably not happen again for several decades but the gains in names and people willing to step forward are incredible.  359 people signed in at my precinct caucus and many of them are still working on campaigns and getting Democrats elected.  We did not all agree on who we supported for President but we damn sure agreed that we hated what Republicans have been doing to the country.  

Doing My Part For The Left,Left Of The Rainbow

We are unified on direction and policy! (3.00 / 1)
Our discussion is really a matter of rules and procedure within the party. My position on the Two-Step has nothing to do with the primary struggle. I really liked both candidates and had a difficult time deciding. I would have been happy either way. We had two great candidates. As we move forward, without doubt we will unify to elect Democrats in Texas once again! But as an internal process I will advocate against the Two-Step. It is un-necessary. The marginal cost higher than the added benefit!

Devil's in the details (2.50 / 2)
I agree with Robert about understanding what that marginal cost of scrapping the primacaucus before we just go in there and drop it.

As I stated in another post it seems all of the caucus haters just have one thing on their minds, get rid of the Two-Step. We've had some good discussion on what might happen after but statements like "it is unnecessary" are way too simplistic for something as big as this.

I hope the committee is taking inventory on what really occurs during the primacaucus process and making sure any options have homes for these things. I'm talking about delegate selection at the grassroots level, introduction of resolutions, inventory of TDP participants, etc. Those are real items that occur. Sure the process for achieving the outcome may not be the best but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Short sighted actions like this will create a situation worse than we currently have. In talking to a few active Democrats in other states I'm finding the delegate selection process is not a pretty as I'd like. It's more about a few insiders getting their invitation to the big party called the Convention.

That kind of process is a 180 from what we currently have and more of a regression into a party of the few. While most everyone in Texas and the nation for that matter only see the two vote process when they hear about the Two-Step they never hear about the other things that occur during the process. I think that's what the supporters of the process want to be addressed before we kill the caucus.


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