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Challenge to SD 29 Delegation Officially Filed with TDP


by: carmelita

Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:16 AM CDT


(This would be an appropriate step in getting the El Paso SD-29 delegation properly adjusted to the right delegate allocation and correct the incorrect at-large distribution there.   - promoted by Karl-Thomas Musselman)

Obama supporter, Black Democrats of El Paso President and former Family Court Judge Don Williams and El Paso County Democratic Party Chair Danny Anchondo were guests on a local talk radio program Saturday morning to discuss the March 29 convention in SD29, during which Williams announced he intended to officially challenge the seating of the El Paso delegation to the State Democratic Party Convention.  

Mr. Williams opened his remarks by stating that he is first and foremost a Democrat, that he would vote for the Democratic candidate in November, and that this dispute is, largely, a "family" dispute.  As with any family that has disputes, we Democrats are, first and foremost, a family that unites in common purpose.

But he went on to say that as a 50-some odd old black man, he had some serious issues with oppression, and he characterized what went on at the Senate district caucus as "oppression."

He then stated he had filed and intended to pursue, an official challenge to the El Paso delegation with the Texas Democratic party.  He gave Chairman Anchondo and the radio host a copy.  

Link to NewspaperTree story below.

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El Paso lawyer Don Williams has filed a challenge to the El Paso County Democratic convention, citing rules he said were broken in order to send a disproportionate number of Hillary Clinton delegates to the state convention.

The challenge requests that the state party either change the mix of delegates from the current 9-1 for Clinton to a 3-1 advantage, which would more accurately reflect the makeup of delegates at the county convention, or unseat the El Paso delegation.

The issue has been simmering since the March 29 convention, with passions high on both sides of the debate. Numerous letter-writers to Newspaper Tree and callers to KHRO 1650 AM have made the argument that supporters of presidential candidate Barack Obama were disenfranchised by the actions at the convention, while others have dismissed the complaints as sour grapes and the complainants as "whiners."

Williams, an Obama supporter and member of the Nominations Committee at the March 29 convention, said Saturday on 1650 AM that he is presenting the challenge because of his belief that a basic tenet of democracy and the Democratic Party is that the majority is bound by rules to respect the minority.

In the case of El Paso, and of the convention, there is no question Clinton was the overwhelming victor, he said. But not by a 9-1 margin, which was achieved by a disregard for the rules, said Williams: "Just because you're the majority it doesn't give you the right to be oppressive. This procedure became oppressive."

Chairman Anchondo was gracious, but adamant that the Nominations Committee's 90-10 ratio was correct and would stand.  The Nominations Committee Chair, Ken Sutherland, was also on the program, and explained that while the sign-in sheets were, indeed, 75-25 Clinton, countless hundreds of delegates were not issued credentials when they initially showed up, and that once those "pending" delegates got sorted out, after the Credentials Committee gave its report, there were in fact far more Clinton supporters than in the initial sign-in.

I have a hard time imagining how they are going to defend that stance at the state convention.  But I know from my experience in 2004 that the El Paso County delegation is not exactly unknown to the TDP.  (If you know or see a TDP convention volunteer or worker, thank them for their service!)

Mr. Williams disagreed, stating that the Rules clearly provide for the appointment of at large delegates to reflect the delegation as it is composed at the convention, i.e., the sign-in sheets.  Mr. Sutherland said the Rules didn't just mean the ratios in support of the candidates, but also the make-up of the convention:  men to women; whites/blacks/Asians/Native Americans; young/old, etc.  While that may be true, I don't know what it has to do with the 90/10 delegate split decision.

The El Paso delegation story just keeps going on!

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Here's a little more info... (5.00 / 1)
I do not yet have a sense for the overall validity of the challenge, but I can shed some light on some of the difference between the 75% initial preference, and the higher number seated by the credentials committee.

A number of precincts with irregularities were not initially seated. One of a few I was involved with from the beginning until the end was one in which a false delegate count was called-in to Austin. In this precinct, there was not a legal election of officers.  Like virtually every El Paso precinct, the majority was elderly, Hispanic, and pro-HRC. The convention was seized from HRC representatives, HRC people were ordered to stay away during the delegate calculation, and the elderly HRC precinct captain ordered to sit across the room.

The false delegate count awarded the win to the wrong candidate, he got more delegates than the total allowed for the precinct. Needless to say, the paper trail did not support this. I should also add that this was not the sort of innocent math error we saw in some precincts. The pct xxx "chair" hung up on me, and refused to talk to the nice, honest BHO organizer I was paired with that evening.

Because this was not a legal precinct convention, no delegates were seated until the matter was heard at the UTEP county convention.

The poignant end to the story came via a friend of mine, a gerontology nurse who was an officer at the convention.

It was late in the day when this precinct finally selected their delegate for Austin.

Over the phone, my friend asked, "have you ever met 'Rosa?'" I realized I had only ever met her over the phone in our many calls, recruiting, during the crisis, and getting ready to rectify the irregularity.

She explained that Rosa, an elderly woman, can barely get around and can barely stand with a cane. But she came to the convention along with enough other, mostly elderly, mostly ill, people to form her legal delegation... The topic came up in the first place because of the news about fund raising numbers, and how much harder is was for out voters to come up with $50.

When pct XXX selected its representative to Austin, the elderly people in the group chose a young person who couldn't afford the trip, but was at least physically able to travel.

What did they do next? They broke out their change purses and wallets, and collected close to $150 in small donations so their voice could be represented at the state convention.

These people initially had their votes stolen, showed up to a convention that initially wouldn't seat them, sat through ten hours in the arena at UTEP, and in the end, scraped together money they really couldn't afford because of their faith in their candidate. We won't be able to top that story for a while.

The gentleman filing this challenge appears to be fighting to unseat pct xxx, and a number of others involved in similar irregularities.  


Many Irregularities in El Paso - Not New (4.00 / 2)
My first year getting involved in caucuses was 2004.

You're right.  I'd forgotten that there were a few precincts that had to recaucus at the county convention because of irregularities.  That took time, and those delegate selections may have resulted in changing the math, but did they change it so much?  To 90/10?

In 2004, a local precinct chair was under investigation for forging the names of elderly and deceased voters onto mail-in ballots. I do not recall charges being filed, but that person is not a precinct chair anymore, either.

I also had a precinct chair tell me in 2004 that the best way to ensure your candidate wins in a precinct caucus is take control of the sign-in sheet the night of the caucus and hold it till the last day to turn it in.  Then spend the next couple of days knocking on doors, talking to your neighbors, finding out who they support, and getting them to sign in if they support your candidate.  

That guy is still a precinct chair and actually played a role in the March 29 festivities.  It may well have been activity like this that led to the recaucusing on March 29.

What got exposed in El Paso County on March 29 was this:  The same people have been precinct chairs, for the most part, since the '70's. They do not organize their precincts, for the most part, and their get out the vote effort consists primarily of their participation in the local Dem party clubs.  Outreach to rank and file local Dems is nil to bare effort, save for the clubs.

The party chairs in prior years had not made much effort in outreach, or in replacing precinct chairs when they came vacant.  In 2004 it was so bad, there were chairs in only half of the 167 precincts.

There have been some significant inroads made on this situation in the last four years.  He made some controversial calls at the convention, but Danny Anchondo is running the local party much more professionally than has been done in many years.

For all that went wrong on March 29, I will say the convention was organized as well as it could have been, all things considered. Are there grounds for a challenge?  I believe there are, and I believe they will be sorted out and an El Paso delegation will be seated.  Maybe not the one the Nominations Committee originally sent, but one will be seated.

They know us well in Austin, from prior experience.  They're probably bracing themselves already.


A little math (5.00 / 2)
To go from 75% to 90% (that is, from 3-1 to 9-1), without changing the number of Obama sign-ins, you'd have to triple the number of Clinton sign-ins. Is anybody seriously suggesting that twice as many Clinton delegates were improperly turned away as were actually seated? If you bump the Clinton numbers up by 33% (which is conceivable, although unlikely), that still only gets the Clinton share of the sign-ins up to 80%.

Whoever came up the the 90-10 split either can't do math or doesn't care.  


Doesn't Care (5.00 / 1)
Clearly Ken Sutherland doesn't care. He tried to rectify something that should've been dealt with in Credentials Committee. Since all the committees were overwhelmingly stacked with Clintonistas, I can't understand how they didn't "rectify" it in Credentials.

There is no way Ken Sutherland has the authority to try to rectify the issue in Nominations! Anchondo can't play Pontius Pilot on this one. He NEVER should've let Ken Sutherland get away with that.

The whole party structure will be eating crow when this is finally resolved.

Hopefully no one forgets what happened under Danny Anchondo's watch when it comes time to pick a County chair out in the west Texas town of El Paso (apologies to Marty Robbins)!


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