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Senator Clinton Campaign Worried by Texas Primary System


by: Phillip Martin, Progress Texas

Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 08:30 AM CST


This is very strange:  

According to a report in today's Washington Post (thanks to our Kossack friends for the tip), Senator Clinton's campaign is worried about the Texas primary system, and apparently some are only now learning how it works. From the Washington Post article titled, "System Worries Clinton Backers":

Several top Clinton strategists and fundraisers became alarmed after learning of the state's unusual provisions during a closed-door strategy meeting this month, according to one person who attended.

What Clinton aides discovered is that in certain targeted districts, such as Democratic state Sen. Juan Hinojosa's heavily Hispanic Senate district in the Rio Grande Valley, Clinton could win an overwhelming majority of votes but gain only a small edge in delegates. At the same time, a win in the more urban districts where Sen. Barack Obama expects to receive significant support -- could yield three or four times as many delegates.

They're only learning about this this month??? They must not be regular readers of BOR.

The night of Super Tuesday, I spent several hours reading up about the TX primary system. The next day, I looked at the incredibly useful Lone Star Project report about the numbers, and asked a lot of questions about how it worked. On Thursday, I wrote these two long posts explaining the Texas primary and delegate system, and on Friday February 8 (ten days ago) these two posts were published on BOR:

That was two weeks ago. Last week, both KT and I wrote about how Senator Obama will do well in TX:I'm a 23-year old grad student who is not even living in Texas right now. KT is younger than I am, and just moved back to Texas a few months ago. How is it that Senator Clinton's campaign was not prepared for Texas?

The truth is, Senator Clinton's campaign never planned on having to run after Super Tuesday. They chose a handful of key states to focus on, and thought that would put them over the top. Meanwhile, Senator Obama worked in every state, picked up lots of little states to blunt Senator Clinton's California momentum, and has been racking up wins ever since.

Many state elected officials are complaining that the Texas primary process isn't fair -- that the formulas unfairly hurt the Hispanic districts (a process that they voted to ratify at the 2006 state convention). Well, the truth is, the formula rewards the Democrats that have been showing up to the polls consistently over the past couple of years in the general election to support our presidential and statewide candidates. As TDP Chair Boyd Richie explained in the Post article:

The higher the turnout in each district in those years, the more delegates the district will get to select this year, explained Boyd Richie, the state party chairman.

"It's not that anyone's trying to penalize anyone," Richie said. "That's the last thing I want to do. What I want to do is encourage people to come back and vote. We want to have everybody participate."

The party rules are established to promote those who come out to vote regularly for Democrats in the general election. This year, on March 4, in the Democratic primary, the areas of the state that vote Democratic when it's most needed (the general election) will have a larger delegate strength.

The truth is, many South Texas Hispanics only vote in primaries (as Sen. Mario Gallegos mentioned in the article) and don't vote in the general elections. South Texas Hispanics didn't vote for John Kerry in large numbers in 2004, and they didn't vote for Chris Bell in large numbers in 2006. The urban areas of Austin, Dallas, and Houston did. Instead, many South Texas Hispanics have voted for Republicans in the general election (for President Bush or Governor Perry) believing that the Republican Party provided an answer. Ironically, their leanings towards the Republican party may prevent them from having as big a voice in the TX Presidential primary as their fellow Democrats in Austin, Dallas, and Houston.

Oops.

Senator Clinton's strategy -- based on the Washington Post article -- seemed to be: Latino = Texas = Clinton. Senator Obama, meanwhile, has been focused on a positive campaign for change across the state. As State Rep. Rafael Anchia (D-Dallas) wrote in an op-ed last week:

Our main focus should not be on who can appeal to which racial or ethnic group more than another, but which candidate can unite all races, ethnicities, age groups, faiths and economic classes as a nation to address our common challenges and to restore our historic position as a respected leader of the free world.

I am the Latino son of immigrants, but, rather than engaging in the contrived politics of division, I want Barack Obama, a black man of mixed ethnicity, to be my president. How's that for the politics of hope?

When we endorsed Senator Obama, we did so because his politics aims to include everyone. He isn't dismissing caucus states, as Senator Clinton has. He doesn't look at a state and say, "I will win there because of the ethnic make-up of that state." Senator Obama believes every voice from every region and every background of this country should be heard.

That's why we endorsed him. And that's why he will do very, very well in Texas.

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Despite their low vote, Obama will aim at Hispanics (0.00 / 0)
Yes Obama can win Texas walking away on delegates without caring much about Hispanics votes or issues

Yes Obama can campaign in 3 cities and win Texas

Yes Obama can discuss issues with Whites and Blacks only and win Texas

However, that's not Barack Obama.  Watch in the coming week, despite the fact there is no need to win over Hispanic Voters, Barack Obama will campaign for their vote.

He is running to be everyone's president.

Imagine if the situation were flipped, and how Hillary would address this issue? Anyone else notice that Hillary only did the Latino Valley and Bill the White Conservative NE Regions?  Neither so much as offered a peace branch to the African American communities of Houston and Dallas

For these reasons, I applaud Barack Obama. He intends to win Delegates, Demographics and Popular vote in Texas, even though he doesn't need too.  It's the same tact that won him Nebraska and Kansas and Idaho overwhelmingly.  He's the candidate of Inclusion And Unity... not demographics and pandering.


Bill spoke to an African-American (0.00 / 0)
Church group here in the Dallas area (Richardson) this weekend. It was on the local news.

[ Parent ]
I missed that? (0.00 / 0)
Bob Slagle called about each stop Bill was making in East Texas.  He could have gotten a much bigger crowd if we had known.

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If Obama's so inclusive... (0.00 / 0)
...why isn't Rafael Anchia, Juan Garcia or Mark Strama heading up the effort? If Obama's campaign is all about the young, the future, being color blind, so on and so forth, why wouldn't you have one of those bright rising stars leading the way?  Instead,statewide, there's Ron Kirk, who just happens to be an old guard African American leader and in Houston, there's Senator Ellis, who just happens to be an old guard African American leader.

At some point, people are going to realize that the Obama campaign is not all it proclaims to be.  


[ Parent ]
What? (3.00 / 2)
Rep. Anchia, Rep. Garcia, and Rep. Strama are all for Senator Obama. Rep. Strama is doing work for him in Austin, Rep. Anchia in Dallas (did you read his op-ed?) and Rep. Garcia in the Corpus area.

I have no idea what this comment is based on.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


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why isn't one of them the statewide chair? (0.00 / 0)


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Oh (3.00 / 1)
I have no official idea.

My guess (and this is just a guess) is that Ron Kirk (who's from Dallas, not Houston) ran a successful statewide campaign in 2002, and Senator Ellis is among the best known leaders in Houston. Yes, they are both African-American, and I'm not going to pretend that there isn't strategy in their prominent roles (both as African-Americans and as leaders of the Dallas and Houston communities) that make them prominent supporters.

My guess is that all the three you mentioned -- State Reps. Strama, Garcia, and Anchia -- all have other work they're doing, and don't have as much time to lend to being a statewide chair. Rep. Strama has an opponent in the fall, Rep. Garcia has a very challenging opponent in the fall, and Rep. Anchia just a couple weeks ago finished an intense voter ID committee meeting he'd been preparing for for months. I think they're focused on their immediate roles as State Reps. Sen. Ellis doesn't have an opponent, and Mr. Kirk is not in office.

I'd imagine that plays into the calculus as well.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
Nice try... (0.00 / 0)
...but I think you know exactly what I'm trying to say.  If the Obama campaign really wanted to demonstrate that it's everything it claims to be and is really as inclusive as it purports to be, they wouldn't be relying on old guard African American leadership at the top of the organizational chart in Texas.  You all criticize Hillary Clinton for being too of the past and having people like Gary Mauro running her show but then when one stops drinking the Koolaid and takes a hard look at the Obama camp, what do you see? Some pretty darn familiar old guard faces.  

[ Parent ]
Hmm (0.00 / 0)
I don't criticize any of Clinton's team -- I think she's got a great team. Gary Mauro is a terrific guy, and I've known Bob Slagle since the day I was born (he was TDP Party Chair when my Dad was Executive Director of the Party).

I think you're responding to others comments about new/old guard -- which is fine. I just want you to be able to distinguish what I'm writing about. I don't criticize HRC for anything about her campaign, beyond the fact that whoever it is she has at the top need to stop being so disdainful of this process. I think Senator Clinton would make a terrific President and I'd happily vote for her if she prevails.

I prefer Senator Obama, though, for reasons I've discussed elsewhere.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
yeah, and (0.00 / 0)
Kirk has somewhat of a statewide profile and name ID...the state reps do not.

Please refer to KT's signature.

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I would not call (0.00 / 0)
losing to John Cornyn a "successful statewide campaign".  I hate to think that a lobbyist for TXU is a leader in Democratic circles.

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Ha (0.00 / 0)
You make me smile.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

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Exactly - what are you talking about? (0.00 / 0)
Representative Anchia has been on Univision and radio programs promoting Obama.  And he's been doing interviews in Spanish too.

Juan is helping with the Corpus Christi Obama office opening.

These aren't just "name endorsements"  These Representatives are rolling up their sleeves and doing good groundwork for Obama.


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We could all work for the Clinton Camp and do a better Job (0.00 / 0)
The Clinton camp didn't have a plan following Super Tuesday.  Two days following SupTues. they decided on a plan that involved Texas and Ohio.  Why?  Texas has a large Latino population and 126 delegates up for grabs (actually 228, yes I know) but for all intents and purposes 126.  Ohio has a large number as well.  On the surface this looked great to them.  But how on earth did nobody in the camp realize what was going on till recently is sad.

I too currently don't live in Texas (but I'm a native) and I took the time to read through the official Texas Docs and gater information from all over the web, as did my brother.  Two average Joes who like you at the BOR, decided it would be a good thing to put on the web.  We too wrote an artice that is still up on the front page of our site, www.ourhispanicvoices.com (shameless plug)and many other sites did the same as well as newspapers from around the state like the Houston Chronicle.  How on earth her campaign missed it is messed up.  SHE'S RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT FOR PETES SAKE!  You would think they would go into things with a little knowledge of how a system works.

This is one of the reasons we endorsed Barack Obama as well.


Discouraging (0.00 / 0)
According to Texas Democratic Party rules:

The party rules are established to promote those who come out to vote regularly for Democrats in the general election. This year, on March 4, in the Democratic primary, the areas of the state that vote Democratic when it's most needed (the general election) will have a larger delegate strength.

Maybe Hispanics in south Texas are discouraged to vote in the general election due to our party rules to begin with. Bigger, more urban cities are worth more delegates because they have turned out in larger numbers in the PAST??? The PAST is the PAST, and conforming rules to elect our President, based on such is not a very good way to change the FUTURE.


"It's not that anyone's trying to penalize anyone," Richie said. "That's the last thing I want to do. What I want to do is encourage people to come back and vote. We want to have everybody participate."

Those last two sentences don't mesh well together. If we wanted everyone to participate in the general election, we wouldnt be forming rules to reward only those who have participated in the past.

BOR, if you are supporting Obama because he stands for change for everyone, support a process in Texas that is fair to everyone.


What do you propose? (0.00 / 0)


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I'm not in the position (0.00 / 0)
Did I claim to have the answers Matt? I pointed out that rewarding voters for the PAST is not a productive way of changing the FUTURE.

I don't care how long our process has been in place. That legitimizes nothing. When is the last time Texas was in play for us to address our process?


[ Parent ]
You are in that position (0.00 / 0)
Become a delegate to the state convention.  Sit on the rules committee.  We have the power to make the change we want in our system.

You want to do a census like projection to allocate delegates, become a delegate and advocate for t.   I'll vote with you if you want.

I am not saying the rules validate the rules, I am just curious.  The rules process for the party are difficult to fully understand, and I agree with you, we don't notice the rough has a leak until it starts to rain.

Now we know our system isn't 100% perfect, so I am simply curious what your thoughts are.  

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[ Parent ]
Thanks Matt (2.00 / 2)
Can you get Phillip to vote for me? ;)

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Yeah, sorry (3.00 / 1)
These rules have been in place for some time. They aren't a surprise to anyone who's been in TX for a while -- and P. Criss, if you've been reading the site over the past few weeks (like I know you have) they aren't a surprise to you. People are only crying foul b/c of the Clinton/Obama thing, not b/c of the process.

Complaining about "the rules" is ridiculous -- Iowa has a similar set of rules, and no one cared there. You know why? B/c everyone "knows the rules" in Iowa. This isn't a problem with the rules. It's a problem with the Clinton campaign not planning ahead and not understanding the rules.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


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Sorry (0.00 / 0)
I'm sorry if I don't jump on the bandwagon and cry foul to  what everyone else is whining about. I choose to address the issues, like I feel they should be addressed (which doesn't have to be the most popular opinion)

[ Parent ]
What issues? (0.00 / 0)
What issues aren't we addressing? A major story about TX politics ran in the Washington Post, and we're covering it.

For what it's worth, I wrote several presidential primary issue diaries 6 months ago. No one read them. So if you're talking about policy stories, been there done that, I'm not writing those again.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
based on focus groups (3.00 / 1)
in South Texas and the RGV, voters aren't as motivated in the General Election because there is substantially less electioneering and other political activity during the General.

Most local elections are decided in the primary and General Election Dems tend to get hyper-focused on "swing" voters and neglect the base vote in both the Hispanic and African-American communities.

I happen to think that the process is very fair, considering that every county chair, cec, and county activist community has the ability to raise money, organize their community and execute an effective gotv program.

There is no prohibition on organizing...to my knowledge.

Please refer to KT's signature.


[ Parent ]
Thanks (3.00 / 1)
I agree with Colin (breaking news!).

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

[ Parent ]
Me too (0.00 / 0)
That's scary.

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Imagine (1.00 / 1)
Just because every county chair, cec, and county activist has the ability to raise money, organize their community, and execute an effective govt program, doesn't mean they do so effectively, or at all. Picture these county chairs and activists going to their voters and saying,

"Hey guys/gals and residents of south Texas, Austin, Houston, Dallas, and all these big cities in Texas that once represented more of a "voice" in our primary system don't represent more of a "vote" in our process ANYMORE. Speak now and vote for who you think will best represent the Democratic Party. Your vote will be counted fairly."

Our great state has to rich of a demographic population to devalue votes in a system because there are larger cities that participate at the polls more often and at higher numbers. Texas delegate distribution is flawed because of the wide-spread demographics in different regions of Texas. Demographically speaking, the current process is suppressing the Hispanic vote because they make up most of south Texas. Groups of people should not be punished or rewarded for their participation at polls in the PAST, especially when it comes to distributing delegates. Elections are about the future, not the past. I encourage our process take a look at ways to increase South Texans voter participation in the general election and suggest we start by deleting any rewards we give to voters who participate more often, because then, you start the less involved in a hole, a place hard to dig out of.  

Fairness can be interpreted in different ways, so I respect Colin and Phillips opinions, but please stop dogging me because I express mine. I didn't pay attention to your last "policy" post Phil, and this is the first Presidential election season that I have been a member of BOR. So if you are foreign to opinions I express take a second to think about why before you start dogging my comments.  


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I did listen (0.00 / 0)
There is also certain metrics that ensure Hispanics have an equal say in the process. Throughout the local, county, and state convention process, local officials have the right to "increase" the number of Hispanic delegates in the event that not enough Hispanic delegates are chosen. The same is true for women, young voters, and African-Americans -- its to make sure that, proportionally, the delegates balance out.

I think this is fair.

Elections are also about knowing the process, and learning the rules. Your discussion of the process is a fair one, and I (like Matt) would love to see you become a delegate and get active in the Rules Committee process this year.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
The problem with general election voter turnout in the Valley is no mystery (3.00 / 1)
Here are the Texas House races:

District 31 - no primary or general election contest
District 35 - no primary or general election contest
District 36 - Democratic primary, no general election contest
District 37 - Democratic primary, no general election contest
District 38 - no primary or general election contest
District 39 - no primary or general election contest
District 40 - Democratic primary, no general election contest
District 41 - weak Republican challenger to Democratic incumbent in general election
District 42 - no primary or general election contest
District 43 - Democratic primary, no general election contest

If the voters in the Valley got the mistaken impression that the "real" election was the Democratic primary, you can understand why they would draw that erroneous conclusion.

If our statewide candidates have had a poor track record over the past decade and the local Valley races are decided in the Democratic primary, we need to come up with a plan to motivate the Valley voters to show up in November.

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[ Parent ]
Totally agree (0.00 / 0)
The best thing this contested primary is doing for Texas is helping us get back to our grassroots organizing.  We haven't mattered for so long that people were not being engaged in politics anymore.  Our message to our whole state is that you have to follow though in November too.

Maybe that Texas Two-Step we have for the primary needs to be expanded for the General election.  You voted in the primary, but that's only half the job.  You have to come back in Nov and make it really count.

I think if some of those incumbents in the Valley with challengers actually lose their seats, people will understand the power of their vote again.  And the new elected officials might have better GOTV promotion habits for Nov. that will keep their constituents engaged.


[ Parent ]
Why should people who voted Republican pick our nominee? (0.00 / 0)
I think the system fairly rewards loyal Democrats.  Clinton supports of course don't like it as it just happens to favor Obama.  If the situation were reversed they would be praising the Texas system.

[ Parent ]
clinton worried about texas primary & precinct caucuses? (0.00 / 0)

re: this story: I'd be surprised that the clinton campaign would lack familiarity with our convention nominations process.

basically, I don't buy that storyline.

they've run two presidential campaigns here and even though those nominations were basically determined before the texas primary, still - given their wonk tendencies - the clinton camp would have had more than a passing understanding of how it works; and

the camp is being advised by some old-line and very experienced texas folks, e.g., bob schlagel and garry mauro. and they not only know how the system here works, they likely wrote some of the rules.


Not my storyline (0.00 / 0)
It's from the Washington Post.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

[ Parent ]
re: not my storyline (0.00 / 0)

hey phillip - no prob, I got that. maybe I should go comment over at wapo, yes?

anyway - go primaries! I've been active in travis county for close to 30 years, and not since 1982 has the excitement been so great. and I'm completely loving the involvement on campus; that is excellent news. maybe this bodes well for dems to take back a portion of those state-wide elected seats. I believe it's time.

btw, y'all do a good job here at BOR. I've read you for a while now but just recently registered to comment.


[ Parent ]
Fair enough (0.00 / 0)
I know the people she has on the ground understand TX -- I've known Bob Slagle since the day I was born. He was TDP Party Chair when my Dad was Executive Director. I think the team she has, down here, is excellent. But there needs to be some folks at the top that understand the process. To see that there's not is discouraging, especially at this stage in the game...

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

[ Parent ]
Hey Phillip (1.00 / 1)
Why did you HIDE this comment?

Comparing Iowa with Texas is ridiculous. Ever been to Iowa? I have, and they demographic distinctions are nowhere close to that of Texas.

I agree with you that the Clinton camp should have been on top of our process. And kudos to you and KT (since that is what you really want-to gloat-suggesting you are smarter than Sen. Clinton and her advisors) gimme-a-break.  


Also (0.00 / 0)
We're not gloating that we're smarter. We're pointing out how easy it is to figure this out -- no one, especially the top strategists of a Presidential campaign -- should be this late figuring out the process (as you yourself agreed).

It's got nothing to do with us, personally. Most of her campaign staff in TX understand how this works (as is evident by the Post story -- Senator Mario Gallegos, whom I greatly respect, talks about it in the article). It's got to do with an attitude, at the top of her campaign, of "inevitability."

Senator Clinton and her top advisers don't think the small states Obama won mattered. Senator Clinton and her top advisers don't think the caucus states mattered. And apparently, her top advisers didn't think anything about TX beyond "it's Latino." Every pundit on TV, every Clinton supporter on TV, has said, "there's a strong Latino vote in TX, she'll do well."

As an Hispanic, I resent that kind of stereotyping, and I appreciate the campaign that works everywhere, for every vote, and can map out a strategy well in advance. I think Obama's larger strategy of running in every state speaks better about his approach to leadership, and I think it speaks better about his approach to campaigning.

If Senator Clinton only tries to run in "a few states" and win, we walk a tight rope through Election Day. If Senator Obama is challenging McCain in every state AND winning states that will never not vote Democrat (NY, California), then he's got a much clearer path to victory.

In my opinion. Feel free to (respectably) disagree if you'd like.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
Hillary is no Bill! (0.00 / 0)
Hillary no debe pensar que vamos a votar por ella solo porque Bill Clinton fue buen presidente.

Hillary debe ganarse nuestro voto. Debe probar que realmente puede hacer lo que esta prometiendo.

Obamanos con Barack!


[ Parent ]
Excelente! (0.00 / 0)
I understood every word, and I approve of your message.

This reminds me of one of a t-shirt message I saw recently.

Bush
Clinton
Bush
Clinton (name stuck out) and Obama hand written instead.

You don't inherit support or at least you shouldn't.  Look how badly that turned out with Bush #43.

I like Bill and I like Hillary, but I think Barack Obama is a better choice for the Presidency at this time.  I want to win and I think Obama has the necessary crossover appeal to win independent voters.


[ Parent ]
Check your e-mail (0.00 / 0)
I didn't hide that comment. You've modified "this" comment from what it originally said, and you know it. I e-mailed you about why I hid it, and since you changed it, I'm guessing you know why.

Be honest.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
I'm disappointed (0.00 / 0)
in Hillary's campaign.  I did a lot of reading this weekend about all the problems she's had (banking until now on her "inevitability", letting Solis Doyle spend all Hill's funds on an uncontested senate campaign, choosing someone as campaign manager who is a bad manager with little big campaign experience, etc).  Hillary basically had this nomination in her hands and, with various missteps, is letting it slide right through her fingers.

She's made the same mistakes I see bad managers make in business--the first of which is placing people in charge because of their loyalty to you, and not based on their qualifications.

I agree with those above who comment that there's no way they didn't know how Texas works in the primaries. Probably a couple of Hill's supporters knew, but the information was pooh-poohed because it was felt she'd have it all wrapped up before now.


pro-Obama snark aside (0.00 / 0)
this story isn't about the Clinton campaign not doing its homework, it's about the Clinton campaign disseminating the message that the Texas Primary system is unfair and undemocratic.  Both campaigns cry about unfairness in whatever aspect of the nomination system doesn't favor them -- The Clintons decry the caucus system and the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan, the Obama supporters threaten violence in the street because of the supposed unfairness of the super delegate system that has been in place since 1982.  To take this story at face value, you'd have to have a pretty large hook in your mouth.

?? (0.00 / 0)
I'd disagree.

I've argued consistently throughout that the most fair thing to do is play by the rules as they are in place. That's true for Florida and Michigan, that's true for Superdelegates, that's true for how the various states hold their various primaries.

I could go on DailyKos and find a Obama or Clinton supporter that claimed anything in any situation -- that XYZ was unfair for whatever reasons. Here, though, at BOR, we've reasonably tried to stay behind whatever the current rules are.

I still think the biggest irony is that 5 years ago, Tom Delay tried to make Texas Democrats irrelevant, and now we've got what may be the deciding say in who our next President will be. Incredible.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


[ Parent ]
Alert the Media - I agree with Phillip! (0.00 / 0)


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For the record . . . (0.00 / 0)
I do get kind of tired of this sneering criticism of Clinton that she "doesn't think caucus states matter," as though she shot the bird at the whole state as an entity and told them to go f*** themselves.  These guys (both of them) are trying to win an election.  It's a legitimate strategy to focus your efforts in certain places to secure a win.  She's NOT INSULTING A WHOLE STATE.  She's making a calculated decision to pass on particular electoral events when resources would be better spent elsewhere. I don't think Obama put a whole lot of effort into New York State, but I don't hear people sneering about how he "doesn't care about New York," or thinks "New York doesn't matter."

Let's give it a rest.

Now, this seeming lack of understanding about how delegates in Texas are apportioned is another thing entirely.  Pretty incompetent if true.


Fair enough (0.00 / 0)
It's just that there's a patter, between the campaigns comments about the caucuses and now the discussion about how red-staters are "second-class delegates."

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

[ Parent ]
That's actually coming from her campaign, fwiw (0.00 / 0)
Penn and Wolfson have been saying something along those lines every couple of days since Super Tuesday.

[ Parent ]
Haha This is really pathetic, Team Hillary (0.00 / 0)
That's all.

"There's nothing new except for the history that you don't know."
-HST

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