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The Tom Craddick Democratic Party?


by: David Van Os

Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 01:45 PM CST


(Anyone who was at the SDEC meeting Saturday understands how important this issue is to discuss. So please do.   - promoted by BOR)

Yesterday, January 12, 2008, the state chair of the Democratic Party and the majority of the SDEC disenfranchised me.  Yesterday the Texas Democratic Party embraced heavy-handed procedural tactics worthy of Tom Craddick.

My residence is in Senate District 25. Zada True-Courage is one of my SDEC representatives. At yesterday's SDEC meeting Zada's husband John Courage - who has run two inspiring, spirited campaigns against Lamar Smith for U.S. Congress - sat in Zada's place by lawful proxy and served as my representative.

John Courage is the founder of an organization called the True Courage Action Network. In just one year's time, TCAN has taken the lead as a single-minded champion of campaign finance reform. John is of the opinion that the influence of big money in our political system has corrupted the system and is destroying democracy. Does any reader of this blog disagree?

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In just one year's time, TCAN has built and organized broad support for legislation to provide public financing for election campaigns. Several weeks ago, John submitted to the TDP a proposal that the Democratic Primary ballot include a referendum proposition to assess the support of Democratic Primary voters for public campaign financing. Yesterday, the TDP decided that the TCAN proposal had been submitted to the wrong committee among the SDEC's several standing committees. So at the last minute, with John Courage waiting patiently in the wings to state the case for the proposal to let Democratic Primary voters register their opinions on public campaign financing, his proposal was switched to a different committee.

The TCAN proposal has sterling support. Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle, for example, came to the SDEC meeting yesterday to plead the case in favor of public campaign financing, in support of John Courage's request to put the issue on the Democratic Primary voters' ballots.  Ronnie Earle has enormous insight on this issue, having been the lead law enforcement authority in Texas over the past 20 years in prosecuting political corruption.

The SDEC standing committee on "nominations and legal" tabled the proposition. Please don't ask me to try and understand their reasoning. Some people always want to protect the status quo once they get a little whiff of the intoxicating, and usually self-deluding, elixir of thinking they are inside movers and shakers.    

After the committee meetings were over, the full body SDEC business meeting convened. During the meeting, John Courage as the representative of Democratic voters in Senate District 25 rose and offered a motion to the full body of the SDEC to place the public campaign financing referendum on the Democratic Primary ballot. Incidentally, this is not unusual. Often the Primary ballots of both Democratic and Republican parties contain referendum questions. It is a time-honored way to gauge public support in our state for possible legislative action.

Texas Democratic Party chairman Boyd Richie denied John Courage the right to present his motion. Boyd Richie ruled the motion out of order on the grounds that a committee had tabled the motion thus it could not be brought to the SDEC meeting floor. The full body then acquiesced in Richie's ruling, despite John's accurate quoting of a Party Rule stating that no action of a lower committee can be made superior to the action of the full SDEC.

The result was that a full voting member of the SDEC was denied the simple right and courtesy of being able to present a motion and state his case for his motion. As a constituent of that member I was disenfranchised. Some defenders of the status quo argued that the full body's vote to sustain the chair's ruling satisfied democracy.  HOGWASH.  Representative democracy includes the right to be heard, the right of the representative's constituents to have a voice through the representative's voice. By virtue of being ruled out of order, John Courage was denied any opportunity to state his case, to discuss his motion, to have his colleagues on the SDEC at least hear his arguments for placing his propositions on the Primary ballot.

One SDEC member told me his vote to sustain the chair was a vote to sustain the "committee system". More HOGWASH. The State Democratic Executive Committee is not the U.S. Congress or the Texas Legislature. My representative's arguments for his proposal needed to be heard by ALL the members of the SDEC, not just the handful serving on a little subcommittee.  As his constituent I had a right to have all members of the SDEC hear my representative, as my voice, state his arguments. In the Texas legislature there are checks and balances. For example, bills that were blocked in committees often get attached as amendments to other bills on the floor in the closing days of the session, thus enacted into law in spite of the lower committee action. Therefore to say that committee action is the final action in the legislature is a demonstrably false statement. There are other checks and balances at work, including the existence of two different major political parties to counter-balance each other. There are no functional checks and balances at the SDEC.

The excuses will be whatever they will be. The action was that a member of the SDEC was not permitted to offer a pertinent and legitimate motion to the SDEC on an important and legitimate issue. Yesterday, the Texas Democratic Party failed to live up to itself.  If you want to preach about democracy and openness, you need to practice what you preach.

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Clean elections are crucial for Texas (5.00 / 2)
At Friday's Travis County Democratic Campaign Kick-off Dinner, Travis county DA Ronnie Earle, said it was the most important thing we needed in political campaigns in Texas.  Ronnie is retiring this year, and he's the man who went after the DeLay corruption machine for money laundering in Texas campaigns.  He was right to go after TRMPAC and John and Zada are right to support clean elections for Texas.

We need to make sure this resolution gets introduced at every precinct convention and makes it back to the Democratic convention floor.

Let's get it done.


Great comment (0.00 / 0)
I appreciate this forward-looking solution, sonia, and I think its a great idea. Best of luck to you!

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

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and then... (0.00 / 0)
and then it will get kicked out by the party insiders.  

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Trying to figure it out (0.00 / 0)
As a run of the mill Democrat who spends more time than most trying to understand the politics of our state party, I continually don't get it.  The one thing that I do get by this point is that this does not surprise me.  What was the motivation for stopping this presentation and why do Democrats, especially those identifying as progressive, put up with this crap?  There were "progressive" organizations that supported Richie for state chair in 2006.  I still haven't figured that out.  While I am relatively new to paying attention to state politics, I have to say that this sort of behavior was abundantly predictable from that convention.  I wrote a post earlier today about the senatorial race that goes to this same sense of confusion.  I cannot understand why there is support for a former lobbyist who works for a huge energy corporation and takes money from extreme rightwing fear mongering Republicans, over a an articulate progressive school teacher.  None of this makes any sense to me.

One explanation for all of this that makes sense and may be somewhat of a factor is the impact of the Greens on the Democratic Party.  Many of the best and most active Democrats left the party disgusted over just this sort of thing to go work for the greens.  With these people gone the Democratic Party followed the Republicans to the right. Now when some of these people might be coaxed back into the fold they are so vehemently vilified, not to mention disillusioned, that they stay away.  I believe that it is important to welcome them back.  Those who seek to denigrate people who have voted in, or run for office as, independents or in third parties are justifying a narrowness of our party that is unhealthy.

I like sonia's idea for fighting back.


Well said, Hugh (0.00 / 0)
Well said and thank you for commenting. A political party is not property. To act like it is turf is counter to the legitimate purpose. The mission should be to exert leadership in fighting for a better life for all the people. But too many Democrats treat the party as a private club. Many people see that and sense the exclusiveness and absence of a welcome mat. Thus they turn away.

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Leadership is the issue (0.00 / 0)
Important as reporting this stuff is, and it is vitally important, more must be done.  Molly Ivins made a career of proving that reporting folly does nothing to diminish it.  That is why I like sonia's idea of a way to fight back.  But I would really like to find a more integrated plan for promoting progressive change in the Texas Democratic Party. I would like to see a Progressive First Party.  That is, a party or coalition within the party that recognizes that while we are Democrats, we are progressives first and often that means that we work against certain trends in the Democratic Party.  If we are to be restricted to two parties lets at least have differentiation within those parties.  Of course this would require a concise definition of the word progressive from which could flow real goals.  Or, better yet, a new word to describe what is now only a general sense of those who seek political structures that serve all citizens as opposed to those that are a hierarchy of privilege flowing down from corporations.

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A Question (5.00 / 1)
David,

You wrote:

The State Democratic Executive Committee is not the U.S. Congress or the Texas Legislature.
Then, later in that paragraph, you used the action's of the Legislature to promote your argument that the SDEC actions were not fair.

So -- are we supposed to compare the SDEC to the Lege or not?

Secondly, your headline asks the question, "The Tom Craddick Democratic Party?" However, then you wrote:

Texas Democratic Party chairman Boyd Richie denied John Courage the right to present his motion. Boyd Richie ruled the motion out of order on the grounds that a committee had tabled the motion thus it could not be brought to the SDEC meeting floor. The full body then acquiesced in Richie's ruling...
Speaker Craddick never allowed anyone in the "full body" of the Legislature to agree with his ruling of Rule 5, Sec. 24. So comparing the TDP to Craddick -- which we may or may not be able to do -- is wrong.

I'm not defending the actions of what happened. I have no idea what happened. But based on your accounts, it seems that the rules were followed. The outcome may have been not to your liking -- and I'm not entirely sure if it's to my liking -- but comparing the process to Craddick is an equally unfair use of heavy rhetoric (something you can do, as much as I may not like).

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


Philip, (1.00 / 1)
You went to the trouble to create a moderately long comment just to criticize my metaphor? Funny, I didn't notice "Burnt Orange Rhetoric Course" at the top of this website. Wait, though. Hmmm. Defenders of the status quo frequently do characterize exposure of unpleasant truths as overblown rhetoric.  

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Two ll's in Phillip (1.00 / 2)
We have a rhetoric course and spelling course available for those who who want it.

David, I don't have any problem with the cause you are promoting. I am 100% behind the cause you are promoting -- public financing of campaigns. I'm sorry the committee chose, unanimously, not to support those efforts. But if the committee didn't support them, and if the full body supported Richie's motion -- as you stated -- then who's really to blame?

You also didn't address either of my questions, which I put forth in a straightforward way. If you want to try and marginalize or neutralize me by attacking me as "defending the status quo," fine, but it doesn't do you any good and it doesn't bother me at all. I'm asking questions so we can engage in a public discourse. If you don't want to answer them, then that's not my issue to deal with.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


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Come on now (0.00 / 0)
Critiquing spelling? Come on Phillip.  

Please read the Community Guidelines and How to Rate Comments.

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Hey (0.00 / 0)
I've got to defend the status quo that is the English language. :)

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

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The real questions. (0.00 / 0)
I didn't see any "straightforward questions" in your postings. I did see the use of the device commonly known as "rhetorical question", where the speaker uses the structural form of a question as a way to make a point. I do have three straightforward questions for you.

Do you agree with Boyd Richie's action of denying John Courage, sitting as an SDEC member, a chance to state the case for his proposals to the SDEC as a full body?

Do you agree with the action of the majority of the SDEC in supporting that action by Richie?

Do you agree with the action of the legislative/nominations committee in killing a proposal to place on the Democratic Primary ballot questions for Democratic Primary voters to express their opinions on public campaign finance and withdrawal from Iraq?

These questions are what this discussion should be about, rather than whether or not Phillip (two l's) Martin approves of David Van Os' (he of strong rhetoric) metaphors. My questions are not intended as rhetorical or offensive. I would sincerely like to know what you think. You are a Texas Democrat with a right, even a duty, to assess the actions of the elected governing body of your party. You are their constituent. What are your opinions on these questions?  


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David (0.00 / 0)
My straightforward question had been: are we supposed to compared the SDEC to the Lege or not? Is that a legitimate comparison, or not? Because you stated it both ways. I can clearly tell you're not going to answer that question.

As to your questions -- I have no idea about the rules of the SDEC and how these meetings work. I wouldn't agree with the legislative/nominations committee about unanimously voting down the proposal -- as I stated above, I 100% agree with the proposal you put forth. But, given the committee did what they did, I don't see what the problems were in with Chairman Richie ruling the way he did, or with the full body sustaining him. If that's the process, then that's the process.

David -- why did the legislative/nominations committee vote the way they did? Did you or Mr. Courage or anyone else meet with them and talk to them about the concerns they may have? I ask these questions because Michael has a completely different take on the meeting -- as someone who was there -- and says that the process made sense and he thought Richie was in order. And Michael's a young guy -- a new guy, and not someone "defending the status quo" -- that I trust.

If you'd like to answer any of my questions, please feel free, because I've answered all of yours.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


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As best as I can decipher, (3.00 / 4)
your answers to my questions are that (1) you agree with Boyd Richie denying John Courage sitting as an SDEC member an opportunity to state his case; (2) you agree with the action of the SDEC in sustaining the chair; and (3) it is possible you might disagree with the legislative/nomination committee's action but you're not sure.

Thanks, Phillip, it is good to know where you stand on democracy and openness within the Democratic Party. I'm sure all the readers here will duly take note.

As to your question, I do not think it is valid for the state party chair and SDEC to claim to follow the legislature as a model, which they purport to do with their "committee" system. The SDEC is not the Texas legislature nor is it the U.S. House. In claiming to follow the committee system model of those legislative bodies, the chair and SDEC make a faulty claim. In the legislature it is technically the full body of the House that refers a bill to a committee. Whereas in the SDEC, the chair refers matters to committees without the action of the full body. In the legislature there are mechanisms to get a bill back to the floor even though a committee tried to kill it. In the SDEC there is no such mechanism. There are no checks and balances in the SDEC as there are in the legislature. The claim of using a committee system in the SDEC is a pretext. But since that is the pretext that is used, i.e. since the SDEC claims to be following the committee system of legislative branches of government, it does become valid for me to use the metaphor I did. "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword."

Michael is a good kid, but he has the naivete of inexperience. Eventually he will learn that some of the people he trusts are using and exploiting his innocence.  


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No (0.00 / 0)
Jeez, David. You got that wrong. This is what I wrote:
I wouldn't agree with the legislative/nominations committee about unanimously voting down the proposal -- as I stated above, I 100% agree with the proposal you put forth.
In other words, if I sat on the committee, I would have voted on your side. How much clearer do I need to make that until you see that?

I'm out of this conversation. Others are writing good comments, I'll let them have their say.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


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David Van Os's Crackpot Comments Are Out of Line (2.00 / 2)
I can't state it any better than that.

I don't mean any offense (0.00 / 0)
but that would seem to suggest that maybe you are inarticulate.  I assume that you may be correct in what you say but unless you explain why we are not likely to understand what you mean, which would suggest that it is not so well stated.

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Unfocused ad hominem is a weak rebuttal (0.00 / 0)
Scratch that: it's no rebuttal at all.

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Also (0.00 / 0)
I'd like to highlight these comments from Michael Apodaca, who attended the meeting:
As a one of the youngest SDEC members and going hopefully for a third term on this body, one of my biggest complaints is that members are sometimes left in the dark how certain procedures are supposed to be done in the SDEC.  While the TDP staff did their best to inform me how to place this item, its disappointing that, after a month of submitting these items, that we just found out this morning they were in the incorrect place. Let me state that I do not blame the staff because they do the best they can (and he really did an excellent job to find out how we place items on the ballot last time), however, some of our more senior members of the SDEC could have mentioned where it should have gone.
I highlight this comment to show that there were certainly different opinions about the meeting and whose responsibility all of this was.

It's a shame we couldn't have highlighted this comment in an "open thread" style post that included these remarks by Mr. Van Os. While this meeting is certainly something we could/should be talking about on our front page, I don't understand how promoting Craddick = TDP makes any sense -- especially given the inconsistencies of that idea, which I wrote about in my above comment.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


Would you not say that the application of rules (0.00 / 0)
by the various cliques of the TDP are somewhat capricious?  It seems at times that there are those in positions to conduct party business that feel that legitimacy is to be found in the convolution and restrictiveness of Robert's Rules more so than in the goals of democracy.  There is a great tradition in American democracy of making sure that every voice is heard and every vote counted.  These are the traditions of our party.  There are also traditions of elitist control and voter purging.  These are the traditions of the other party.  I must admit that sometimes the mechanics of the TDP make me wonder which party's traditions they aspire to.

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I don't understand (0.00 / 0)
If there was a committee process, and the committee unanimously voted not to take it up, and then the full body supported Chairman Richie's decision, then it seems like those presenting the resolution could have done better to get more support from those that needed to pass the laws.

I'd be more concerned about Michael's comment/question: that he felt that the TDP was helpful, and that his fellow SDEC members might have not prepared him enough for how to work the process. Perhaps the change that needs to be made is somewhere in there.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


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Good Point (0.00 / 0)
But it would seem that there may be more to this.  For one thing the methods by which people get placed on those committees, and the influence that follows.  I will admit that I am engaged in a bit of a conspiracy theory here but at this point conspiracy seems to be the best explination for the functioning of the TDP.

I can well imagine the power elite doing what they can to bring a new recruit like Michael under their wing while continuing to clip the wings of those unwilling to fly in their formation.

In your classes at Harvard are you learning anything about how other state parties are run? I'm guessing that there are better examples for us to learn from.


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There is one class (0.00 / 0)
About party structures in general, but if I take that, it wouldn't be until next year, when I'm through with more of my core courses and once I've taken some of the "must-take" classes here.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

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Com'on Now (0.00 / 0)
Take that class and straighten this mess out.

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Don't mix the two issues (5.00 / 1)
There are really two issues here, and we shouldn't confuse them. The first is whether John Courage's motion was a good idea. The second is whether quashing that motion was done legitimately, or whether Boyd Richie merely engaged in a Craddick-like assumption of power.  

Most of us on BOR (including me) support public financing of elections, and would love the opportunity to show our support at the polls. I have a ton of respect for John Courage and for TCAN (not to mention Ronnie Earle), and I wish the motion had passed, or at least had been debated in the open.

But the SDEC saw it otherwise. A committee chose to table the motion, and the SDEC as a whole supported Richie's ruling that bringing the motion to the whole SDEC was out of order. That's the way the system is supposed to work.  Committees make decisions, chairs make rulings, and those rulings are subject to the vote of the whole body.  

Maybe the SDEC made a stupid decision. Maybe Richie twisted arms to get a good motion killed. But the analogy to Craddick's coup just doesn't hold up.


And if... (0.00 / 0)
Richie twisted arms to get a good motion killed? Are you comfortable with that prospect? Should the governance of the Democratic Party be a place where rules are manipulated to squash discussion? Do you contend that is "the way the system is supposed to work" in the Democratic Party? Is it befitting the Democratic Party to kill a proposal to let the voters in the Democratic Primary express their opinions on campaign finance reform and withdrawal from Iraq (which was also one of John's propositions that the committee tabled)?

The blame is not all on Richie. The blame is equally shared by SDEC members who do his bidding because they are afraid to rock the chairman's boat.  


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Scales of anger (0.00 / 0)
Not comfortable, but not livid, either.  

I'm always disappointed when my representatives at any level use legitimate authority badly, whether it's by voting the wrong way, or by following bad leadership decisions.  But seizing illegitimate authority, as Craddick did, is a whole other level of wrong.  The first only affects the issue at hand, while the second threatens the whole democratic process.  

We ignore the difference at our peril.  Conflating the two only gives Craddick-like tyrants and their apologists the ability to do the same, and claim that their power plays are legitimate.


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Getting a resolution on the ballot (0.00 / 0)
This is kind of a moot point now. It would have been great to have the public financing issue on the ballot as well as the other 4 resolutions that were brought forth. The fact is the committee didn't hear the motions for them, they decided to table without hearing from the parties supporting the resolutions. And yes that is the power of the committee. John did have the right to ask for the whole SDEC to be able to consider his motion and the SDEC did vote it down even though they had no idea what the motion was about. And that was their right. I suspect the reason behind the vote was the SDEC wants the committee process to work because if it didn't it would be utter chaos. So I understand that.

As for the direction received, the truth was we really never received the correct direction even after we asked for it. It is not going to get us anywhere to sit and ponder why. We read the rules and the Texas Election Code because there was no clear direction. We did our best and even after we submitted the Resolutions more than 30 days in advance we were never told the committee to which we submitted them was incorrect.
What I am going to ask is the SDEC of 2008-09 do its job and be sure ALL Rules are clear and ALL POSSIBLE ACTIONS like this and like the petition process for County Chairs in municipalities over 1 million are complete. The Rules of the Party are structured in a way that does not provide for clarity, in my opinion. Not in what they "rule" but the way they are put together. If you want to find out what the Senate District Chair does you have to root through several different sections to figure it out. On many occasions this "sectional application" has led to misunderstandings and disagreements.  I just think things need to be reorganized so that people can understand them. Everytime we have a rule we need to be darn sure it's completely outlined and clear on what people are to do. No intstructions should be issued from the TDP unless done in writing and the rules  and Election Code are checked and referenced and the Rules committee is consulted.
There is no reason for us to continue to operate in confusion so that we get mired down in these kinds of misunderstandings.  
We all need to understand why the rules are there, we also need to look at the election code that the applies to the rule. (I think the election code section that are referred to in the rules should be printed and included in the back of the TDP Rules so everyone has a complete picture. But that's my opinion.

We have Rules that are loosley decreed in the Texas Election code such as a majority of the precinct chairs have to participate in filling vacancies of precinct chairs but then we have a TDP Rule that further stipulates this must be done at a meeting. Why can't there be a written ballot with the precinct chairs want to fill vacant precinct who are to be elected by the CEC be sent to all the precinct chairs and then within a certain time period the precinct chair must return the signed ballot (we don't have secret votes) This could all be published on a county's website. Getting majority may be easy for smaller counties but it is near impossible for larger ones. If we want abide by the law we can't really appoint those chairs without the majority. I realize counties ignore this but there are some who just feel strongly that the law be followed.

So now let's get busy pushing our candidates to declare how they will support our issues and let's vote for the ones that we feel will do the best to represent us. Keep in mind the candidate who doesn't have a prayer in winning won't be representing you either but they may be able to push your issue enough to get the winning candidate on board with your issue. I want a Democratic Majority in TX and in Congress and the White House. I believe its our best chance.

Is there anywhere proposed resolutions could be "parked" for review so that people could go and post their resolution and then others could pick it up for their precinct?  It's just a thought.


This is why i kept asking John is his motion completly different from the report.... (5.00 / 1)
For the limited parli pro that I do know and re-asking our parliamentarian prior to the meeting (because I did ask), reports are recommended actions that the body should take, and by accepting a report on their recommendations, then its like accepting or not accepting those items under new business. Had John submitted the exact same language that was under the nomination report then it is completely out of order because we have already covered that under the committee reports.  This is why I kept asking if it was different, but it sounded the same, however, I was not too clear.  

What I DO wished the Chairman would have done was to at least let John read it before it was called out of order, but like I said, if it was the exact same thing, it IS totally out of order.  This is why I abstained from the vote because I agreed with the chair (if it was the same, which I'm 99% sure it was), however, I did not know if it was the same, so I just stayed out.  


Iraq Resolution (3.00 / 1)
There was also a Iraq Resolution that got approved by most local Austin Democratic clubs. However unfortunately they tabled them all together. I posted more details about the Iraq resolution here:
http://www.burntorangereport.c...

My view on what happened Saturday (5.00 / 3)
I can't even begin to express how completely disappointed and betrayed I feel.

A number of Democrats in Bexar County came to me with a Resolution to have a Universal Healthcare referenda place on the 2008 Democratic Primary.  I thought I/we were given the appropriate information as to how that should be done.

Let me give you some background.  At the last SDEC meeting Zada True-Courage presented a request to place public financing of elections on the ballot.  I agreed to co-sponsor a similar request to end the war in Iraq on the ballot.  Both were not allowed as Bill Brannon said this was not the proper procedure.  After the meeting we discovered that that process would have been proper and we were "defeated" improperly.  

OK, mistakes were made, not all is lost, and we still have one more chance to do this.  One or more of our group inquired into exactly what was required.  We were told we needed to submit these in resolution form to the Resolutions Committee at least 30 days before the next SDEC meeting.

We "thought" we had all our ducks in a row.  We contacted SDEC members and got commitments from more than the required 33 to vote in favor of the healthcare and anti-war resolutions.  We contacted Resolutions Committee members to explain what we were doing and why we felt they were important.  All we were requesting is to bring each of these referenda to the floor of the SDEC for the body's consideration to place each on the ballot.  If any or even all had been voted down by the body I certainly would have been disappointed, but I would have been completely satisfied that democracy was at work.

Yesterday, I brought 400 copies of the anti-war and healthcare resolutions with me to the SDEC meeting.  I signed in and asked where the Resolutions Committee was meeting and why.  You can imagine my surprise when I was told those had been moved to the Nominations Committee at 11:00am.

When we got there after a few routine items were taken care of all five (Mike had added two additional resolutions) were presented as one issue.  One member of the committee immediately moved to table and another immediately seconded the motion.  This was done with NO DISCUSSION.   These two people were previously primed to do this.  There is no other explanation for this.  The person who seconded the motion said she had never seen these and didn't know what was in them.

Yes, the chair asked to hold up on the table motion and did allow some of the audience to speak, but it was obvious the "fix" was in and these referenda were not getting on the ballot.  There was no reading of each motion on its own merit.  After the meeting I mentioned how this whole action smacked of Craddick procedures.  One older, long time SDEC member said please don't say that at least you were allowed to speak.  I don't' agree.  Yes, we were allowed to speak in committee, but the motions were not allowed on the floor individually for the SDEC to rule, just like Craddick didn't allow a floor vote in his debacle.  

The "powers that be" made absolutely sure that these items were never going to the floor of the SDEC to be voted on.  There is a rumor that one statewide candidate is vehemently against the anti-war referenda.  I don't know that, I haven't spoken to him or his staff, but why couldn't each item gone to the floor and be voted on separately?  What is the chair or others afraid of?  Is this democracy?  I don't' think so.

As a last ditch effort, John and I deleted the resolutions and attempted to make a motion under new business.  The chair called this action out of order, John challenged the chair and the challenge failed.  The Boyd called for announcements and I demanded that he accept my motion under new business.  He denied that.  I did not challenge him as the results were a forgone conclusion, but wanted my attempt on the record.

Given the mistaken denial at the last meeting those two referenda at least should have been brought to the floor.  Democracy did not prevail or look very democratic yesterday.  It was a sad day for the Texas Democratic Party.

Democratically yours,
Madeleine Dewar
SD 26


The Texas Maddog Grandma on a rampage against the Extreme Right NeoCons from the White House down to the local school board


Thanks for the account (0.00 / 0)
Why did the resolutions not make it out of committee? Why did the committee support the motion? These are further questions to be resolved -- though it does certainly seem like you had all your ducks in a row.

Thank you though, Madeleine, for a more complete, straightforward account of what happened.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.


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Well, that's what happens... (0.00 / 0)
when people let someone like Bill Brannon run things. Who the hell put him in charge of a committee? I mean, he's done so damn well in East Texas and all.



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Do what you do and you get what you got.... (0.00 / 0)
David, did you really expect any significant change in the way the TDP operated from 2006 to 2008?

Basic Parliamentary Procedure (5.00 / 2)


I find myself unceasingly astonished at the number of people deeply passionate about political issues and processes who never take the time to learn basic parliamentary procedure.

I was at the meeting and was not involved in this issue in any way.  

But I saw all of these comments - only about a quarter of which I took the time to read - and decided I would clear up what happened and what should have happened regarding this issue at the SDEC meeting.

I understand, David, your point that the rules should not quash democratic discussion, but the rules are actually there to ensure democratic function.  One simply has to read them; they are not terribly complicated.

Read the rule you note that John quoted regarding committees vs. the full SDEC and all that says is that committee action will never over-rule the action of the full body.  That isn't even necessary to state separately in the rules because it is a foundation principle of parliamentary procedure, but I imagine some time in its history some Party committee tried to go out on its own and do something wacky that made someone decide to overstate this in the rules.

When the chair ruled that John's motion was out of order because it was still pending in committee, he was absolutely correct.

John's motion following that ruling was simply the wrong motion.  Put yourself in the courtroom, David.  If the opposing council were leading your witness and you objected, citing some different, incorrect rule; you would not be surprised when the judge overruled your objection.

John's motion to appeal the decision of the Chair put SDEC members who supported John in the position of having to decide whether a chair should enforce the rules, or whether their agenda should supersede the rules.  Honest supporters of John were compelled to support the chair because John made the wrong motion.

Let me pause for a second here and assure you, I am not trying to put John or you or anyone else down or insult anyone.  I simply believe that if one is going to get upset about the manner in which rules are carried out, one should get to know those rules.

John's motion should have been, "I move to suspend the rules to consider this issue out of order," or some variance of that motion to indicate that he would like to skip the committee action which the rules require.

The people who know the rules have the power, and I would bet you that fewer than 10% of the members of that body have ever read the rules.

Talk to John and Zada, if ya'll would like me to come - or I'm sure one of the parliamentarians would be just as willing - give a workshop on parliamentary procedure and party rules, I will be happy to; seriously and sincerely....


What the Rules require (0.00 / 0)
To David Holmes.

Where can I find "the committee action which the rules require?"

John McConnell  


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why so down on Boyd? (0.00 / 0)
Has there ever been a time when the state party chair DID NOT try and influence ballot measures, committees, and agendas?

Any chair that is to weak to get what they want on or off a ballot...we don't need as chair.

I don't agree with Boyd's clear position on these important issues, but I wholeheartedly agree that he is well within his rights and responsibilities to "twist arms" or otherwise influence the votes he needs.

Is he just supposed to sit on the sidelines and not advocate for his position?? That is the alternative: advocate for your issue or sit quietly.

If and when the SDEC gets tired of it, they'll rise up and find an opponent for him, force concessions or change the rules.

Sounds to me like SDEC members could have taken control of the situation Saturday, had they been so inclined.


Please refer to KT's signature.


We need another SDEC meeting (5.00 / 1)
I am angry that two resolutions putting referendums on the ballot were approved by the Resolutions Committee at the previous SDEC meeting a few months ago and brought to the floor for a vote, only to be tabled with the bogus information that signatures were required to put referendums on the ballot. After that meeting, someone from the party was shown the relevant Texas statute and conceded that the SDEC could indeed put referendums on the ballot without anyone having to gather signatures, which is exactly what happened in 2006 when the SDEC put a referendum on raising the minimum wage on the ballot. The SDEC should have voted been allowed to vote on the Iraq resolution at the last SDEC meeting and was prevented in doing so because the people running that SDCE meeting either were not aware of the Texas statute governing party actions or they willfully pretended not to be aware that the statue existed. In light of the fact that the SDEC had voted in 2006 to put a referendum on the ballot according to the statute, then I conclude that they knew about the statute at the last SDEC meeting and allowed the motion to table a vote on the Iraq resolution in a dishonest manner.

I am ashamed of the Texas Democratic Party leadership. In California, it took a Republican governor to keep an Iraq referendum off the ballot, but here in Texas, it was kept off the ballot by leaders of the Texas Democratic Party.

I believe there should be another meeting of the SDEC called before the ballot is printed, in order to have a vote on whether to put the referendums on the ballot. This is particulary necessary for the two referendums that would have been voted on at the last SDEC meeting, if the party had not tabled the vote based on the misinformation that they were not following the proper procedure.


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This is a good opportunity to learn the rules (3.00 / 1)
And find out if a SDEC meeting can be called. I bet there is a way, but it probably requires a large number of SDEC members to agree or the chair calling it.

But I agree with David Holmes on this. Let's say a resolution was brought to the committee, they debated it, then tabled it, or even voted it down.

Does that mean you have the right to bring it up again to the full body? I wouldn't think so. Heck, if that was the case, you would have a month long meeting.

I am curious, was the resolution provided in advance of the SDEC meeting to the committee members for review?


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Boyd Richie's duties (0.00 / 0)
Colin,

The State Chair is a member of and presiding officer of the SDEC. His primary duty as presiding officer is to conduct meetings of the SDEC in accordance with Robert's Rules of Order. Nowhere that I know of is he authorized to twist arms or do anything else "to get the votes he needs." As chair, he may not speak for or against a motion, but must remain strictly neutral. If he wishes to speak for or against a motion, he must turn the gavel over to someone else. It is the full SDEC, and not the chair, who is charged with carrying on "the activities of the Party between State Conventions...."

You are certainly right in your surmise that the SDEC could have taken control of the situation last Saturday. One wonders why they even come to SDEC meetings if they don't wish to accept the responsibilities which go with the job.

John McConnell


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Okay (0.00 / 0)
This thread is getting pretty long and probably most people are no longer paying attention, but can someone, preferably one of you parliamentarian types, explain why these resolutions would be kicked out of the RESOLUTIONS committee and put into nominations.  Now I realize that all of these rules are intended to keep things from seeming, or actually being, chaotic; but that is very counterintuitive, which is a lot like chaos.  Wouldn't you say?

new thread? (0.00 / 0)
Maybe we could start a new thread where someone could tell us what was put forth and whether it was accepted or rejected.

I don't think anyone is bored of it yet. These are important issues.

Please refer to KT's signature.


Trying (0.00 / 0)
I'm trying to figure out how to do that this evening. The problem is, I've now had 8 different accounts of the same meeting. I'd like to start an open thread with some sort of a jumping off point -- just looking for the right spot on the cliff.

Now, a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen.

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Trying (0.00 / 0)
And good luck geting minutes to the meeting. They are not due until the next meeting...

Another meeting can be called by 51% of the SDEC membership.


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SDEC Meeting (0.00 / 0)
I was at the SDEC meeting this past Saturday and saw much of what was going on. I can say that I saw what was going on, but I did not hear much of what went on in the subcommittees because there was no amplified sound. Never the less, I can say that most of the activities in the subcommittee meetings were, for the most part, travesties of democracy. The immediate cause was something referred to as "the committee system." As I understand it, under the committee system nothing can be brought before the SDEC until it has been approved by a subcommittee. Does that make the hair on the back of your neck stand up? It does mine. That means that a few subcommittee members can control what comes before the full SDEC. On Saturday, this happened, and the majority upheld this violation of democracy. One  member of the majority said he voted as he did to sustain the "committee system."(One bright note: DNC members were told that they couldn't vote.) Can anyone tell me where to find authorization of such a system in The Election Code or Party Rules?

John McConnell  



Two resolutions did pass in committee (0.00 / 0)
Two of the resolutions that would have put referendums on the primary ballot did pass committees at the last SDEC meeting, but they were tabled at the full SDEC meeting at that earlier meeting (the previous SDEC meeting held a few months before this past Saturday) because the party pretended to be uninformed of the existence of a Texas statute governing how the political parties can place referendums on their primary ballots. The two resolutions were tabled and only after that SDEC meeting did the party concede that the statute existed, so a vote should have been held at that meeting.

We did everything correctly and our resolutions should have been voted on. In fact, since that SDEC meeting a few months ago when our Iraq resolution was first wrongfully tabled based on false information, the sponsors of the resolution had phoned around to SDEC members and confirmed that they had the more than 33 votes of SDEC members to approve the resolution.



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