Home

About
- Who We Are
- Community Guidelines
- Right to Respond

Advertising on BOR
- Advertise on BOR
- Buy on all Texas Blogs

Advertisements

Search




Advanced Search

Major Rule Fight; Roll Call, Quorum Broken


by: Karl-Thomas Musselman

Mon May 28, 2007 at 00:11 AM CDT


Stand in Speaker Rep. Sylvester Turner (D) along with Keel and Wilson is now disregarding even a motion to Adjourn, which is being used as a test case to force a ruling on which motions "shall be in order" to be recognized. It's a new battle of wills and rules between Rep. Dunnam and the chair now.

Follow in the comments. Personal privledge speeches and rule debate seems to be on docket.

WHOA. There is an informal roll call vote going down on the floor right now by Rep. Haggerty (R) of El Paso. Haggerty gets stalled out twice by the Speaker but keeps forging ahead. He then asks members to follow him out of the house, D and R alike since he's not being allowed to continue with his informal roll call.

QUORUM BUSTED! 

"The Record vote shows an absense of a quorum. The House will stand adjourned until 2 pm tomorrow (Monday)." 

UPDATE from Matt Glazer:  As the members, Republican and Democrat alike, walked out of the chamber, they were followed by every person in the gallery.  Suddenly, the entire capitol errupted in applause.  It is a mad house here.  Nobody expected this.  Haggerty read member by member asking were they stood. When Sly Turner told him he was no longer recognized, he asked members to join him by leaving. The feeling here is incredible.

ADVERTISEMENT
Tags: , , (All Tags)
Print Friendly View Send As Email
Major Rule Fight; Roll Call, Quorum Broken | 145 comments
The Fight! (3.00 / 1)
Trey Martinez Fisher evidently pushed Dan Branch to the ground..and was escorted out.
Holy shit there was a fight? Hahahahahha (0.00 / 0)
omg what a fucking circus.
[ Parent ]
Ron Wilson (0.00 / 0)
Can he at least wipe that shit-eating smirk off his face while Dunnam is talking?
He's been doing that all day (0.00 / 0)
jerk
[ Parent ]
SMACK!!!! (0.00 / 0)

hahaha go charlie geren... (0.00 / 0)
nt
. (0.00 / 0)
Craddick has fully destroyed the rule of law in the House.

What a disgusting show.

Geren did. (2.00 / 1)
Smack down of Wilson for violating House rules on drinks on the floor.
I can see how this session might drive them to drink (0.00 / 0)
But it's a bit tacky to have it at the Parliamentarian's desk.  I'd rather have the puppetmasters be sober.

Did he bring enough for everybody?

Disclosure: Former Political Director for Lee Leffingwell for Mayor of Austin ('09)

[ Parent ]
Krusee (0.00 / 0)
What is Krusee about to say?
Nice (0.00 / 0)
Good for him, but he's still one of our biggest targets, right?  However, it would seem that he is now one of Craddick's for March.
[ Parent ]
perfect (0.00 / 0)
target from both sides.

Please read the Community Guidelines and How to Rate Comments.
[ Parent ]
How many races can Craddick's money cover (0.00 / 0)
Eventually, he'll have to worry about spending it on himself, too, right?  Can $4M stretch far enough to hurt everybody who stands against him?

Disclosure: Former Political Director for Lee Leffingwell for Mayor of Austin ('09)
[ Parent ]
man (0.00 / 0)
I had a sense this was coming, but when Toll Road Krusee gets on your ass you know you are doing something wrong. How big is Craddick's minority now?

Please read the Community Guidelines and How to Rate Comments.
[ Parent ]
What the fuck is Krusee doing? (0.00 / 0)
Is he standing up to craddick now?
I guess so (0.00 / 0)
Seems like Craddick finally sat down as he's over there next to Wilson.

Please read the Community Guidelines and How to Rate Comments.
[ Parent ]
omg (2.00 / 1)
I think I agree w/Krusee on something--my head may explode.
[ Parent ]
Kudos Mr. Krusee. (5.00 / 2)
I may want to take him out in the next election, but tonight, Mr. Krusee, I salute you.

Good man.

Yes (0.00 / 0)
I totally agree, major props for Krusee....and my effing sound just went back off.
[ Parent ]
It was a very well done speech... (0.00 / 0)
He even attacked the framing of the neo-cons in the party backing craddick.
[ Parent ]
Sick (0.00 / 0)
this is sick. disturbing. crap.
Way to go Krusee! (0.00 / 0)
I wonder how long he's had this speech ready?
Krusee did nothing (1.00 / 1)
If he wanted to do something, he would have said I resign. But instead he makes a speech. Weak one at that.

wuss.

So Trey bitch slapped Branch? (0.00 / 0)
Details please.
Ohh shit here we go... (0.00 / 0)
hahahahahah
Vote him out NOW...then, walk out! (0.00 / 0)
I am amazed that the audio cuts out when there's clapping ...not for Craddick. Well, actually, that's the least of what I'm amazed about tonight.

They ought to walk out. HB1 is passed. The heck with Craddick and his ridiculous rule book puppets.

This fiasco should be a lesson for the US Congress.

“It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America.” -Molly Ivins

FANTASTIC!!!! (0.00 / 0)

Haggety is Calling the roll (0.00 / 0)
Holy shit.
Wow. (0.00 / 0)
I just put this up here, and then I saw somebody was doing it. :-)  Fantastic.

The Texas Blue: http://www.thetexasblue.com
History! (0.00 / 0)

taking role call (0.00 / 0)
HOLY SHIT! Now is the time to stand up or shut up.

Even though it is not a binding vote.

I bet the NOs win. Watch Patrick Rose run to the bathroom.

And this is an R taking the vote (0.00 / 0)
I'm glad I'm still awake. Wouldn't want to miss this.
[ Parent ]
Rose will vote Aye (0.00 / 0)
against Craddick
[ Parent ]
Can be! (0.00 / 0)
It *can* be a binding vote.  I hope somebody in the body realizes that before the parliamentarians without a clue say otherwise, and the House believes them..

The Texas Blue: http://www.thetexasblue.com
[ Parent ]
civics for all (0.00 / 0)
this is historic. civics for all here
How did John Davis vote???? (0.00 / 0)
Anyone?
not sure (0.00 / 0)
did you notice the pause?

couldn't make up his mind?

[ Parent ]
Come again??? (0.00 / 0)
Did I hear Betty Brown checked off as a "present, not voting"??
[ Parent ]
ohh shit are they walking out? (0.00 / 0)
??
They're breaking quorum??? (0.00 / 0)
Anyone in  gallery who can report?
Are they leaving???!!! (0.00 / 0)
Why did I come HOME?!
These people haven't been sleeping and are pissed (0.00 / 0)
What is going on?

Nothing would surprise me.

[ Parent ]
Walkout (0.00 / 0)
Okay, we do have a list of all who walked out, yes????????
94 Ayes?? (0.00 / 0)
Why were there 94 ayes still??? Did some have to stay behind to do some more inquiries?
[ Parent ]
nevermind (0.00 / 0)
forgot some were missing, enough to have an absence of a quorum
[ Parent ]
Honestly (0.00 / 0)
Haggerty should have kept going and made the Sergeant at Arms pull him off.
And he should have moved to instruct the Sergeant at Arms to remain at his post (5.00 / 1)
Haggarty should have kept going.  If the Speaker had instructed the Sergeant at Arms to remove Haggarty, Haggarty should have moved at once to instruct the Sergeant at Arms to remain as his post, and then put the question to the body and conducted a vote.  He would have been within his rights as a member of parliamentary body.
[ Parent ]
Hahaha hear em in the gallery... (0.00 / 0)
I think they broke quorum...
There is not a quorum! (0.00 / 0)

FANTASTIC (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
94-0 (0.00 / 0)
Need 100.

Please read the Community Guidelines and How to Rate Comments.
[ Parent ]
No quorum! (0.00 / 0)
They broke it!  Can you hear the cheering outside the chamber?
[ Parent ]
Have they walked out? What is the wooping about? (0.00 / 0)

Wait did they break quorum and then ppl voted for ppl after they walked out? (0.00 / 0)
?
What would that do if they did? (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
You watch, they'll continue (0.00 / 0)

no quorum (0.00 / 0)
so , that's it. They adjourn?

What happens tomorrow??

[ Parent ]
NO QUORUM (0.00 / 0)
94-0, even with Craddick and Turner voting.  Keel and Wilson probably voted too.
100 is quorum (0.00 / 0)
Someone will now call quorum.
Keel (0.00 / 0)
Keel looks sweaty!
Great!!!!! (0.00 / 0)

Real parliamentarians would be nice. (0.00 / 0)
Jeez.  Now these guys are trying to figure out if a motion with 94 ayes and 0 nays carries.  OK, there they go.  Took them 4 minutes to figure that one out.  Parliamentarians that take that long to figure out the difference between a majority and a majority of the body don't deserve the title.

The Texas Blue: http://www.thetexasblue.com
Cool beans. (0.00 / 0)

so what does this really mean? (0.00 / 0)
they adjourn tonight - so . . .

How does this affect anything?

[ Parent ]
Tom DeLay has now been called.... (0.00 / 0)
to find those who broke quorum.

And to think......I was going to go to sleep......

So what happens tommorrow? (0.00 / 0)
so what happens tommorrow?
Prediction (0.00 / 0)
That's Sine Die.  The House won't come to order again during this general session.
I want to know how many walked out (0.00 / 0)
Those were the ones who would have voted to vacate the chair.
[ Parent ]
Where's that shit-eating grin now, Wilson?! (0.00 / 0)
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Slap (0.00 / 0)
That thug down!
[ Parent ]
Monday (0.00 / 0)
The only thing that can be considered tomorrow are resolutions to correct typos and that kind of thing.

And to adjourn SINE DIE.

If 100 members show up.

. (0.00 / 0)
I don't think they'll show, Glen.  They'll leave Haggerty's speech as the last action, although sadly it won't be placed in the record.
[ Parent ]
is there a transcript? n/t (0.00 / 0)


Disclosure: Former Political Director for Lee Leffingwell for Mayor of Austin ('09)
[ Parent ]
. (0.00 / 0)
Haggerty's speech was never ordered to be commited to writing, so I don't think it will show up in the Record.

[ Parent ]
that's so wrong (3.00 / 1)
I can't BELIEVE that everything doesn't go into the record.  I mean, I can believe it, since it's the Lege and completely FUBAR, but I don't wanna believe it. 

I have it on the DVR.  Everyone's invited.  Sopranos, Shmoe-pranos.

[ Parent ]
and if 100 members don't show up tomorrow? (0.00 / 0)
what happens then?
[ Parent ]
Now they're not even pretending (5.00 / 1)
With the "motion to vacate the chair," at least they could pretend that the Speaker wasn't obligated to recognize the member because the motion itself was illegitimate using the tortured reasoning that the Speaker was an "officer of the State."

The motion to adjourn, on the other hand, is an undisputably privileged motion, and it is the highest of privileged motions.  It is a parliamentary abomination for the Speaker to compel the House to stay in session if the boy wishes to adjourn.  If a member wishes to offer a motion to adjourn, the Speaker has the right not to recognize him.  The Speaker may not, however, proceed to the consideration of any business of lesser precedence than the motion to adjourn before he recognizes the member who seeks to make a motion to adjourn.  Not even the Speaker of U.S. House--the most powerful presiding officer of a parliamentary body in the world, so far as I know--has this kind of authority.

It is a firm principle of parliamentary law that should the presiding officer persist in refusing to the put a properly formulated question to the body, a member of the body has the authority to put the question to the body and take a vote upon it.  That point has been reached tonight.

Speaking as one who knows far more about rules of order than anyone should, this is an outrage upon the dignity of the House of Representatives of the State of Texas.

Yep (0.00 / 0)
That's what I was trying to tell you yesterday, CL.  On Saturday, Sly Taylor refused to recognize a Point of Order that was unrelated to a Motion to Vacate.

They carried that travesty to its logical conclusion, and I am very glad Dunnam but the refusal to recognize a motion to adjourn to the test.

[ Parent ]
I wish we could start a pot... (0.00 / 0)
What are the odds of 100 members showing up?
This is getting curiouser and curiouser . . . (0.00 / 0)
. . . now if only someone would knock that arrogant smirk off of Ron Wilson's face!  Maybe we will see some Russian Parliament style rumbling before long . . . any bets on that!
[ Parent ]
And (0.00 / 0)
Someone need to get the Ds who stayed in the chamber and hang that around their necks  in the next election cycle.

I'm looking at YOU traitor Dukes!

Me being dense (0.00 / 0)
Okay, and this is probably just me being dense/tired, but if 94 remained...did we really have the votes to overthrow Craddick?  Or were 20+ of those remaining 94 our people?
[ Parent ]
. (0.00 / 0)
Who knows.  A whole lot of bills just got killed by breaking quorum might explain some of it.
[ Parent ]
max (0.00 / 0)
Hard to say.  Often legislators will do their absent colleagues the "favor" of voting for them.  So without a roll call vote, it's hard to say how many remained.  It's probably safe to say 94 was the maximum number of people in that chamber.

The Texas Blue: http://www.thetexasblue.com
[ Parent ]
Thats what I thought as well... (0.00 / 0)
Ive seen em do it on the floor.
[ Parent ]
I understand, but... (0.00 / 0)
the rurals had to stay and the D leadership know this.  They made sure that the quorum would be broken.  Dont hang guys out to dry unless they really need to be.
[ Parent ]
Dukes is sobbing outside the Speaker's door again (5.00 / 1)
Which is where she belongs.
You think SHE's upset... (4.00 / 2)
Nadine will break The Speaker's China rather than have to hand it over.
[ Parent ]
not hardly (0.00 / 0)
if you have a beef with a member's positions or speaker votes...fine.  there is hardly a need to make up lies. what you just posted never happened.  you made it up.

Please refer to KT's signature.
[ Parent ]
Mrs. Craddick (0.00 / 0)
You mean Nadine never broke the China?
[ Parent ]
Impossible to answer (0.00 / 0)
Since there seems to be no means of deposing the King, the number of Members needed to do so is also impossible to know.
Well... (0.00 / 0)
I picked a great night to be here with ya'll ;D

Let's hope these thugs get shut down again tomorrow.

I hope someone spit on Wilson and Keel on their way out.

I wouldn't use the walk as a test of the force... (5.00 / 1)
There were probably lots of Insurgency R's and D's who had bills on the Calendar still.

And I'm not sure yet if this was scripted for a walk out to break quorum.

. (0.00 / 0)
I dunno...maybe he had a couple of reps who he thought would "vote" to depose and refused to answer, so he decided to try and break quorum rather than proceed all the way to end and lose a vote.

Though all sorts of mischief could have happened had quorum NOT been broken.

[ Parent ]
Motion to Adjourn (0.00 / 0)
Turner's ruling that he would not even recognize a motion to adjourn set the ball rollling.  You can't tell 150 members they can't go home!

. (5.00 / 1)
Well, it stripped the last illusions away from the situation.  They forced Craddick to break the must fundamental rule of parliamentary procedures, namely that a motion to adjourn always takes precedence and is always in order.
[ Parent ]
Well (0.00 / 0)
Remember this, kids.  You'll not see a showdown like tonight in a generation.
Maybe, maybe not (0.00 / 0)
After all, this is the TEXAS legislature!
[ Parent ]
Unscripted mayhem... (3.00 / 1)
What you witnessed was unscripted from the Insurgency from the sources I've talked to.

All happened in response to the rulings of the Chair.

Monday issue...a small problem. (5.00 / 1)
Everyone keep in mind the budget ain't totally done.

The Speaker still has to sign it in the presence of the House, and I don't think he can do that until they come back in session.

A wrinkle.

. (3.00 / 1)
Interesting.

If I were the insurgents, I would go to Craddick tonight with a non-negotiable list of demands on bills to be passed or he isn't getting a quorum tomorrow.

He can try to spin this, but he has basic things he has to accomplish as Speaker.  If the budget won't go because the Speaker hasn't signed it, he has utterly failed in hid duty.  And there is NO reason it shouldn't have been signed upon passage.

[ Parent ]
Answer me this (0.00 / 0)
Glen--you still there?

Mostly I'm interested in seeing Craddick go down.  But I also have an interest in seeing Stat Parks fully funded.  If I understand correctly, HB12 raises the sporting goods tax cap (and transfers historic sites, but I won't go into that now).

But the money has to be appropriated through HB1, which is now approved.  During the HB1 debate, Hilderbran and Chisum made a point of saying that money appropriated for state parks in HB1 does depend on HB12 as the means for the funding.

With HB1 passed, and HB12 out in the rain with no quorum, what happens to the funding laid out in HB1?

If you needed new legislative authority... (0.00 / 0)
it's screwed.  You can appropriate money, but if the law doesn't authorize it, too bad.
[ Parent ]
. (0.00 / 0)
Has to have authorizing language, Butter.

One thing to remember as well as that UT-Austin right now is incandescently pissed off at Craddick for the failure of the Top 10 bill.  They had that language stuck in like 12 places before the session was over.

There are going to be screaming phone calls all over the state about this tonight.

[ Parent ]
as i understand the House (0.00 / 0)
rules can be suspended to take things up tomorrow with a 2/3 vote.

the question is who gets credit/blame for killing and/or reviving the bills?

Craddick for creating the situation...or Ds for reacting to the situation?

I'm with you on the state parks funding bill.  It will really be bad if that isn't revived.

Also, I wonder if the Senate will retaliate considering we have a ton of House bills still over there.

Please refer to KT's signature.

[ Parent ]
Shapiro (0.00 / 0)
Shapiro and Zaffirini will be shredding whatever House members they can get their hands on on this Top 10 mess up.  The other failed bills will just outrage others.

Craddick's folks can try to spin this against the Ds, but the 08 election cycle is going to be brutal and Craddick is SO far out of line that I think he has destroyed most of his power.

[ Parent ]
Authority is there (0.00 / 0)
But there was a cap.  The cap was being lifted.

(Maybe that's the same as new authority?)

Reduced to writing and spread on the journal.. (0.00 / 0)
If I remember right, Liebowitz moved early that all exchanges other than bills, especially that about motions to vacate be reduced to writing...all the way to adjournment.

So I wonder if that includes the answers to the Haggerty questions?  LOL

Probably not.

I hear there were some choice ones.

Can they hear any of these bills tomorrow? (0.00 / 0)
Or just sign the budget and deal with typos?
. (0.00 / 0)
They gotta have a quorum, butter.  Else the House can never come to order to begin with.

Did you all catch that Haggerty told everyone to take their keys with them!

[ Parent ]
I caught that about the keys (0.00 / 0)
the keys they vote with?

This is crazy.

So, did the House adjourn tonight? When quorum busted, they officially adjourned?

[ Parent ]
must have keys to vote (0.00 / 0)
if the key isn't in the desk you can't press the button to vote.

members often press the voting buttons of members who are not on the floor.  you can't break quorum without your key because people will push your button for you.

then you have to ask for "strict enforcement" and/or "verification" to prove whether or not a quorum exists.

Please refer to KT's signature.

[ Parent ]
. (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, they have keys they turn to register a vote.  They do that so that some of the early monkey business is more difficult to do.
[ Parent ]
Amazing show (0.00 / 0)
I tune in to watch House proceedings for the first time ever and within 30 minutes, this happens.  Quite a show!

But I'm wondering if the walkout accomplishes anything in practice -- Craddick is still speaker.

Are there other moves that can be done tomorrow?

Yes. (0.00 / 0)
[ Parent ]
. (0.00 / 0)
Most likely the Session is done on the House side.

Craddick will still hold some power in the interim (for example as one of the members of the Legislative Budget Board) which is useful, but anything does in that role can easily be undone by the 81st if he is no longer Speaker.

The Senate will become AMAZINGLY powerful over the Interim.

[ Parent ]
Any word on Trey? (0.00 / 0)
Do we need to start a "get out of jail, with bail" fund.  I'll be the first to contribute.
Quorum, yes-- (0.00 / 0)
But bills?  Can they take up any of the bills on Sine Die that were not heard tonight?  It's my understanding that they cannot.
2/3 vote to suspend (0.00 / 0)
they can bring them back by suspending the rules with a 2/3 vote.

Please refer to KT's signature.
[ Parent ]
Well if the speaker and his crony's are not following the rules? (0.00 / 0)
What stops them from not trying to finish the calendar tommorrow?
I mean... (0.00 / 0)
Assuming they get a quorum tomorrow.

And as Glen pointed out, if they don't have a quorum tomorrow, the budget cannot be received from the Senate.

they'll be back (0.00 / 0)
hopefully they realize that a special session would breathe life back into HB 218, the racist repug voter i.d. bill.

it was late in the night...they made an important point...they know they can bring the missed bills back up tomorrow.

Please refer to KT's signature.

[ Parent ]
There will be a quorum tomorrow. (3.00 / 1)
The insurgents won't risk killing the budget.

I sponsored all these end of session rules to keep folks from abusing the system.  We used to get conference committee reports at 11;45 on Monday night... that weren't even written.

Having said that, any rule can be suspended with a 2/3 vote.

If your recognized, that is. LOL

But I wouldn't bet on it. (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
. (0.00 / 0)
That's the thing, Glen.  Yes, in normal circumstances, I would agree with you.  But Craddick pushed this far, so much further than he had to.

All he had to do was allow the Motion to Adjourn to go forward.  It would have failed and some semblance of peace could have been preserved.

[ Parent ]
Tonight's drama on U-Tube? (0.00 / 0)
Does anyone know how early we can start looking at some videos on U Tube?  With all the criminal activity caught on tape, especially violation of Texas constitutional laws, we need to get Alberto Gonzalez to investigate and bring charges against Keel and Wilson.  Wait, aren't they friends?
. (0.00 / 0)
CAREFUL.

Policy Statement

This video/audio programming is produced by the Texas House of Representatives. Chapter 306, Government Code, prohibits the use of video/audio materials produced by the House of Representatives in any political advertising. Violators may be subject to a civil penalty up to $5,000 for each violation. For the complete House Video/Audio Policy

[ Parent ]
Also (0.00 / 0)
Understand that this is not a criminal matter.  It's important not to "Daily KOS" this and move into hyperbole. 
[ Parent ]
Amen! (0.00 / 0)
Thank you EVERYONE for keeping the comments grounded. Let's keep the verb "to Daily Kos" over on Daily Kos. It's a real temptation. I'm really proud and grateful that BOR does its best to resist and stay focused. We've got so many unbearable problems in Texas, I guess we have little choice but (forgive the cliche, but it seems fitting) to keep it real.
[ Parent ]
YouTube videos (0.00 / 0)
can be put up by anyone. Just showing excerpts of some of the House proceedings would not be considered "political advertising" would it? Otherwise, we wouldn't see videos like this floor speech in the US Senate from Ted Kennedy available on YouTube.
[ Parent ]
32 bills (0.00 / 0)
So they could suspend the Sine Die rules to take up the 32 remaining bills tomorrow?
What's the line (0.00 / 0)
On a Special Session?
Anybody know what the walkers-out are doing now? (0.00 / 0)
Did they go home, or are they sort of caucusing about tomorrow, or what?

What a show. Best Saturday night entertainment I've had in a long time. I guess that makes me a bona fide political junkie, huh?

Whoops, it was Sunday night entertainment (0.00 / 0)
and not a bad way to start Monday morning.
[ Parent ]
Is the Cloak Room still open? (0.00 / 0)

great idea (0.00 / 0)
the cloak room is always open...i'm surprised there is a lock on the door.

Please refer to KT's signature.
[ Parent ]
HB12 (0.00 / 0)
Butter Woman is concerned about HB12, Parks funding. I heard a statement (Hildebrand?) that somewhere in the appropriations bill(s?) it says that some(all?) Parks funding is contingent on passage of some other legislation. I'm guessing that is probably HB12.

HB12, as it came from the Senate (I have been told), did not lift the $32M cap, did not dedicate sporting goods sales taxes to Parks, and did not transfer historic sites to the THC.

Does anyone know what happened regarding the above three issues in the conference committee? I can't find the text of the CC report.

[ Parent ]
Well (0.00 / 0)
http://www.capitol.s...

I see no authorizing language in HB 12.  Just a bunch of rule changes and variable pricing authority.

[ Parent ]
Parks Funding/Transfers (0.00 / 0)
TRB, I've been following the funding/transfer issue, and started being anti autoCraddick based on his ham-handed manipulation of HBs 6, 7, and 12, as well as SBs 900 and 1848. (The over-the-top handling of House rules/parliamentarian/privelege/recognition/vacate issue really did it for good for me, and , hopefully, everyone else.)

When HB12 went to the Senate, it included transfer of 18 historic sites. When it came back from the Senate, the transfers had been removed. autoCraddick's position had been to withhold Parks funding unless historic sites were transferred to his good buddy ($$$) john nau (big beer salesman and THC chair). I'm trying to find out whether Harvey (DittoHead) Hildebrand got the historic sites transfers back into HB12 at the CC.

[ Parent ]
do you think Craddick would let Nau down? (0.00 / 0)
No way would he disappoint the Silver Eagle, coup or no coup.  There are still 18 historic sites on the list in the Conference Committee Report.  No word on the fate of the "study" language.

This is one of the lowest of Craddy's low blows to the people of Texas, selling our historic sites to his buddy (THC Commissioner John "Skeletor" Nau) and holding parks funding hostage to get 'er done.  EVIL!

[ Parent ]
Got it (0.00 / 0)
Thx dag, I suspected as much. I'd just as soon kill it now, 'cause Parks can get a better deal next session, now that autoC won't be Speaker next session.
[ Parent ]
Also (0.00 / 0)
I'm at home, or I would check the HB 1 CC language.  Looks like they might have just increased the base level of funding, but the only way to know is to check that text.
[ Parent ]
HB12 CC Text (0.00 / 0)
How does one get this text?
[ Parent ]
Laugh (0.00 / 0)
Find someone at the Lege with a paper copy to let you look at it.
[ Parent ]
Text (0.00 / 0)
Thanks, I now have the text of HB12 CC report and also the side-by-side analysis. Summary: 1) Lifts cap; 2) Transfers 18 historic sites; 3) Mandates a study of sporting goods tax for Parks - due 12/08; 4) Sunset reauthorization for THC thru 2019; + misc.

Hmmmm... Re: #4 - Wouldn't it be ironic if THC's sunset re-up somehow didn't make it through...??

[ Parent ]
Major Rule Fight; Roll Call, Quorum Broken | 145 comments
Connect With BOR
Your source for Texas politics.

On Facebook: BOR
On Twitter: @BOR
On the Go: Mobile App

Upcoming BOR Events

"Do I Look Illegal?"
Arizona GOP Debate Watch
Wednesday, February 22
6:00-9:00 p.m.
Angie's Restaurant
1307 E. 7th Street
RSVP on Facebook

Save The Date:
Super Tuesday Super Watch Party!
Tuesday, March 6
6:00-10:00 p.m.
Scholz Garten
1607 San Jacinto

Menu

Make a New Account

Username:

Password:



Forget your username or password?

Shared On Facebook

Advertisement

Best of Texas Left
- (Complete Directory)
- B & B
- Bay Area Houston
- Blue Bloggin
- Bluedaze
- Brains and Eggs
- Capitol Annex
- Collin County Democrats
- Collin County Observer
- Community Forum
- Dog Canyon
- Dos Centavos
- Easter Lemming Liberal
- Eye on Williamson County
- Feet to the Fire
- Grading Texas
- Greg's Opinion
- Grits for Breakfast
- Half Empty
- Houtopia
- In the Pink Texas
- Kiss My Big Blue Butt
- Letters from Texas
- McBlogger
- Mean Rachel
- Musings
- North Texas Liberal
- Off the Kuff
- Panhandle Truth Squad
- Para Justicia y Libertad!
- Pink Dome
- San Antonio Mayor
- South Texas Chisme
- StoudDemBlog
- Texas Clover Leaf
- Texas Kaos
- The Caucus Blog
- There..Already
- Three Wise Men
Best of Texas Right
- Blogs of War
- BlogHouston
- Boots and Sabers
- Lone Star Times
- Publius TX
- Rick Perry vs the World
- Safety for Dummies
- Slightly Rough
- Urban Grounds
Other Texas Reads
- Burka Blog
- D Magazine
- DOT Show
- Statesman Elections
- Strong Political Analysis
- Texas Monthly
- Texas Observer
- The Texas Blue
- Quorum Report Daily Buzz
Around Austin
- Austin Bloggers
- Austin Chronicle
- Austin Contrarian
- Austin Metblogs
- Austin on Two Wheels
- Austin Real Estate Blog
- Austin Statesman
- Austin Texas Bike Shit Stuff
- Austin Towers
- Austinist
- Capital MetroBlog
- Daily Texan
- Do512
- Downtown Austin Blog
- East Austinite
- Elise Hu
- Flash Mob Austin
- Keep Austin Blue
- M1EK
- Travis County Democrats
- University Democrats
TX Progressive Orgs
- ACLU Legislative Blog
- Atticus Circle
- Criminal Justice Coalition
- Equality Texas
- NOW Texas
- PFAW Texas
- Public Citizen
- SEIU Texas
- Tejano Insider
- Texas AFT
- Texas HDCC
- Texas Watch
- TFN
- TSTA
- TSEU
- Texas Young Democrats
- United Ways of Texas
TX Elections/Returns
- TX Returns 1992-present
- TX Media/Candidate List

- Bexar County
- Collin County
- Dallas county
- Denton County
- El Paso County
- Fort Bend County
- Harris County
- Jefferson County
- Tarrant County
- Travis County

- CNN 1998 Returns
- CNN 2000 Returns
- CNN 2002 Returns
- CNN 2004 Returns
- CNN 2006 Returns
- CNN 2008 Returns
Traffic Ratings
- Alexa Rating
- Quantcast Ratings
-
Syndication

Powered by: SoapBlox