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Austin Charter Revision: Committee Heavily Backs Single Member Districts, Barely Backs 10-1 Plan


by: Michael Hurta

Fri Feb 03, 2012 at 11:00 AM CST


Yesterday, the Charter Revision Committee, appointed by the Austin City Council primarily to consider the representative structure of Austin government (currently all at-large districts) and make a suggestion to the council, finally voted on its suggestions.

 The following motions were passed on this penultimate meeting by the committee:

  • A motion "to change the current structure [of City Council] to some form of geographic representation" passed overwhelmingly. There was one "no" vote - from Ken Rigsbee (a Republican).
  • A suggestion to Council to then form an independent redistricting commission (that would exist for future census, too) was passed, based on a memorandum by the the committee's working group. More on that below, but this proposal passed with just two dissenters - David Butts and Fred McGhee.
  • A proposal for a 10-1 plan (10 single member districts and one at-large mayor with no other at-large seats) barely passed after much discussion. The vote was 8-7. The alternative plan, that failed, was 10-2-1.

This is all just the first step. None of these motions become law until the city of Austin, via ballot measure, says so. And nothing will appear on the ballot until the City Council approves it.
 
You would think that the big story is the almost unanimous support for single-member districts in the first place, but it's not. That was almost an afterthought, and after all, the activist community has supported the idea for decades. (How else would one explain it getting on the ballot six separate times?) The bigger stories were the other two motions.
 
The heavily supported idea for an independent redistricting commission is huge. In the past, a plan for single member districts would come with a map, and voters would reject the map. It's almost impossible to draw a map that satisfies everyone, so a commission finally came up with a separate proposal. Here, the idea is to put a commission on the ballot, instead, that would ensure that every group has an ability to affect the actual maps. This commission would have 14-members semi-randomly selected from a 60-person pool, generally meeting three major requirements. The first goal is for a "fully diverse commission" based on "gender, race, ethnicity, age, student status, sexual orientation, home address [geography]." Second, strong stipultions would be in place to avoid any conflicts of interest. Third, the pool should be "highly qualified," a phrase that refers largely to voting history, but also would take into account other knowledge bases, such as statistics.
 
This step is huge: the independent commission idea, instead of a map on the ballot, probably increases the chances of passage. That even "student status" found a place in the document shows how far this commission was willing to go to ensure that every community have a place at the table. (Special thanks to current UT Student Government Representatives John Lawler and Yaman Desai, as well as a few select Austinites for Geographic Representation, for pushing the student measures.) The City Council should keep with this theme, particularly the diversity section.
 
The other big story, of course, was the final 8-7 vote for a 10-1 system. 10-1 passed the committee (and received heavy audience applause), but the real story is that nothing passed with an overwhelming amount of support. After months of discussions and consistent agreement to adopt Single Member Districts, the committee barely agreed on "how." The 10-1 advocates needed the support Ken Rigsbsee, who was adamantly against any change at all, to win the day. The alternate motion, 10-2-1 (2 would represent a couple at-large seats), failed by the same margin, 7-8. Each side showed passion, and despite rhetoric to the contrary, no one thought, "Your slightly different plan is good enough." Ann Kitchen rhetorically presented 10-2-1 as a compromise idea, but received no votes from 10-1 advocates. Then, upon losing the vote, some in the minority insisted upon its opinion being heavily represented to City Council, anyway
 
The lack of clear, obvious agreement will affect this process all the way until the voters give word in November. After the committee confirms a staff report of their decisions, likely on February 16, the ball goes to City Council's court. Overwhelming support exists for both change and the independent commission, so every member will likely support change in that direction for fear of backlash. But as for the numerical structure of a Single Member District System: I am sure that 10-1's victory will be taken into account, but I expect each Council Member to give even greater weight to their own, personal opinion. Mayor Leffingwell has pushed a 6-2-1 plan, so he'll likelywill he continue pushing a hybrid? And no one really knows what the others will back, either. Keep in mind that every current member was elected in an at-large seat.
  
But once City Council agrees to a plan of any sort, what will those who lost their fight do next? Fighting against 10-1, 10-2-1, or anything else is one thing when doing so in these recomendation and legislative settings, but will the same fight continue to the ballot box? If so, Austin is doomed to stay with its draconian system only of at-large districts.  City Council should deliberate carefully and actually take into account the winning 10-1 argument from their appointed committee, and each side should feel free to fight for 10-1 or 10-2-1 until the council gives its ruling. But afterwards...here's to hoping everyone comes together so we can actually pass this thing, whatever that may be.
 
[Below the jump, you will see the vote count for 10-1, and later links will be added to see the documents approved with the second motion for an independent commission.] 

 

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The Vote for a 10-1 Plan

Aye

Chair Gonzalo Barrientos
Fred Cantu
Delia Garza
Delores Lenzy-Jones
Fred Lewis
Nelson Linder
Ken Rigsbee
Kathleen Vale

 

Nay
Vice Chair Ann Kitchen
David Butts
Richard Jung
Dr. Fred McGhee
Margaret Menicucci
Susan Moffat
Ted Siff

 

[Note: the vote for 10-2-1 was exactly opposite. Every "aye" vote for 10-1 was "nay" for 10-2-1, and every "nay" vote for 10-1 was "aye" for 10-2-1. The 10-2-1 vote was technically a vote to amend the motion for a 10-1 plan.]

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Many thanks to the committee (3.00 / 1)
They took a hard look at the options, agreed on what was obvious (especially the redistricting commission!), and voiced their disagreement on what remains a very contentious issue -- having a critical mass of at-large representation.

For me, not having at-large seats is a deal breaker. While I support the mayor's 6-2-1 plan, and can go along with 8-2-1 or 10-2-1, I would much rather keep the current system than switch to 10-1. Having one person whose job is to look after the entire city isn't nearly enough.


What? 10-2-1 No Thanks (0.00 / 0)
6-2-1 and 8-2-1 will not pass muster with the US Dept of Justice. Please refer to the current redistricting mess caused by the Texas Legislature and the current lack of a Texas primary election date,

Having at-least 10 districts will provide a legal African-American opportunity district for the Austin City Council. Even the mixed district supporters on this committee finally recognized the need for 10 districts. So do we want to spend extra money for two extra council members, plus staff, to represent Central/West Austin to dilute the impact of having more minority council members plus South and North Austin having representation on the Austin City Council?

Austinites for Geographic Representation debated 10-2-1 and 10-1 at length. The consensus decision of this diverse coilition was to support 10-1 with an independant redistristicing commission.  


[ Parent ]
I don't think you can speak to what will pass muster... (3.00 / 1)
...when the current 6-1 system has not been able to be struck down after how many lawsuits. 8-2-1 would pass muster just fine. The difference in the African American strength in the one district you can draw under an 8 district map and 10 district map is 3% points. I suspect that council will entertain that as a compromise.

And I'll even toss out this idea. 8-2-1 with a provision to add a district councilmember for ever 100,000 people the city adds. That would keep the representation ration around 100,000 per councilmember no matter what size the city gets. After all, just because 8 or 10 districts work for now, what happens when each person is representing 200,000 people? That's half the size of the city when Brigid Shea was elected to her at-large seat in the early 90s.  

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[ Parent ]
Yes, AGR debated it at length, (4.00 / 2)
but AGR got it wrong. In his hour-long presentation to West Austin Dems, Peck showed nothing but contempt for the idea that a council member elected at-large might actually care about more than his own neighborhood. That's ridiculous.

Residential geography is not destiny. But in politics, district assignments often are. If I'm elected to represent the entire city, I WILL look after the entire city. But if I'm elected to represent (insert neighborhood here), I'll look after the interest of that neighborhood, the rest of the city be damned. Either way, I'll do the job I'm elected for.

I get the fact that some parts of the city are woefully underrepresented on the Council. Yes, we should do something about it. But telling 91% of the Council that their vision should end at the boundaries of their districts is a recipe for disaster. Sure, you can build coalitions across neighborhoods, but you also need a critical mass of people looking after the whole city. IMO, having a third of the council elected at-large, as in the mayor's 6-2-1 plan, should be a minimum.

If we need 10 districts for the VRA (and I'm not convinced), then let's go with 10-4-1. A 15-member council is too big, but at least that's better than NIMBYism run amok.  


[ Parent ]
How much should we worry about muster? (0.00 / 0)
SMD has been on the ballot in Austin 6 times and failed 6 times.

I'm worrying about passability much more than muster.

"Let us tenderly and kindly cherish therefore, the means of knowledge. Let us dare to read, think, speak, and write."  -  John Adams


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Petition Drive for 10-1 with Independant Redistricting Commission (0.00 / 0)
That is the difference between now and the last six times. Both mixed district and single member district plans have been rejected in the past. These items were placed on the ballot by past City Councils and their handpicked Charter Revision Commissions making the ballot recommendations.

If Austinites for Geographic Representation cannot get 20,000 plus signatures to put this on the ballot for the November 2012 General Election, then maybe it should be taken as an indication that the majority of Austin voters are just fine with the At-Large election system and the "Gentleman's Agreement" that has kept the At-Large system in place. If that is the case, why bother to have an election on this issue?

We need a fundamental change in how we elect our city council members. We need to protect minority representation while providing the geographic representation we so desperately need. 10-1 does that, 10-2-1 dilutes that effort. 6-2-1 and 8-2-1 will be opposed at the Dept of Justice level by the NAACP, LULAC, and MALDEF for pre-clearance purposes. 10-2-1 is more iffy if these groups oppose 10-2-1 also, but 6-2-1 and 8-2-1 are dead in the water.


[ Parent ]
I think it's probalby hard to say, legally (0.00 / 0)
But it does look like there's a very good chance that a 10 seat plan will get selected by Council, whether it is 10-2-1 or 8-2-1.

A petition to get something on the ballot is not the same as a "yes" vote, I don't think...

Will AGR stop the petition drive if Austin City Council puts a 10-1 plan on the ballot, or even a 10-2-1 plan? If the Council puts a different plan on the ballot, will AGR fight it at the polls?

I worry that with a potential drives, voters get confused by potentially two different plans on the ballot. I also worry that AGR advocates will fight against a different council plan, and pro-hybrid people will fight against AGR...and then nothing will pass.

The independent redistricting commission is huge, though. I think that very much helps passage chances.

"Let us tenderly and kindly cherish therefore, the means of knowledge. Let us dare to read, think, speak, and write."  -  John Adams


[ Parent ]
correction (0.00 / 0)
sorry - the top line meant to say "whether it is 10-2-1 or 10-1"

"Let us tenderly and kindly cherish therefore, the means of knowledge. Let us dare to read, think, speak, and write."  -  John Adams

[ Parent ]
http://citizensdistricting10-1.org/about-us/ (0.00 / 0)
Please join the petition drive to put 10-1, with an independent redistricting commission on the ballot for the 2012 November General Election. Citizens need to put this issue on the ballot with 20,000 or more signatures.

We need geographic representation. We don't need the political posturing of this committee and the city council. Real change comes for the bottom up, not from the top down. Please visit our website for more information.


The commission got it right (3.00 / 1)
We have a chance at a more representative council, and that's wonderful news.
Now, hopefully those of us who do not live in Central Austin will do our part to get the representation we need.

It's not "central Austin" being represented (0.00 / 0)
It's West Austin.  

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Thoughts on the Issues by a committee member (0.00 / 0)
Feel free to visit my blog at www.fredmcghee.com, where I explain my thinking on both the single member districts and independent redistricting commission issues.

The last two blog entries discuss these matters.


Read your blog, Still Disagree (0.00 / 0)
We may disagree about the merits of pure single member district versus mixed district plans, but you are flat wrong about the merits of an independant citizens redistricting commission. I think an independant citizens redistricting commission is critical to getting voter approval an any measure put foward in November 2012.

You and David Butts were heavily out voted on this one by the rest of your commission members. Also, it appears than almost a like majority of the commission members has decided that 10 districts are needed. The debate now should center on 10-1 versus 10-2-1, 6-2-1 and 8-2-1 need to be discarded as options.

The petition for a 10-1 plan with an independant citizens commission will move forward. It is way past time for a change.


[ Parent ]
How about an actual argument? (0.00 / 0)
I certainly respect anyone's right to an opinion, but what exactly--and I do mean exactly--is your empirical basis for claiming that I am "flat out wrong" about the merits of an Independent Redistricting Commission in Austin, Texas?

Please enlighten me.  You've read my blog, which I appreciate, so you should know that I have an open mind on this matter.  I would appreciate you or anyone else actually crafting an ARGUMENT, grounded in facts, in support of their position, instead of mostly relying on assertions and feelings.

Here is a suggestion to get the conversation started:  how many cities (NOT states, that's different) besides San Diego currently have an Independent Redistricting Commission?  

A basic and fair question.  One that the city council will surely ask.  

Please be mindful that as a committee member I am already familiar with the conventional arguments in favor of an IRC, so there is no need to repeat truisms.  


[ Parent ]
How about an actual debate? (0.00 / 0)
Your charter commission has completed it's process on this issue. It overwhelmingly supported the concept of an Independent Citizens Redistricting Commission. Austinites for Geographic Representation presented a wealth of factual information for the commission to consider on both 10-1 and the Independent Citizens Redistricting Commission. The League of Women's Voters chief concern is the Independent Citizens Redistricting Commission.

Both you and David Butts are members of both the Travis County Democratic Party Executive Committee and the Black Austin Democrats. Peck Young and I both have tried get these issues considered by both groups only to have the debate of these issues postponed.

So let's leave our keyboards at home and have an actual debate of the issues in front of these two groups. We are done playing the insider's political game at city hall. It is time to take these issues to the citizens.


[ Parent ]
University Democrats voted today to support 10-1 with an Independant Citizens Redistricting Commission (0.00 / 0)
Unlike the city council's hand picked commission, the vote was not even close.

The question now is, will the Travis County Democratic Party join in? Chairman Andy Brown needs to have this issue fully vetted with his executive committee. Give Peck Young 20 minutes for 10-1 and David Butts 20 minutes for 8-2-1 or 10-2-1. Peck Young is for the Independent Citizens Redistricting Commission and David Butts voted against the Independent Citizens Redistricting Commission per this posting. 8-2-1 and 10-1 both equal 11 council members, so where is "the muster"?

Only David Butts and Fred McGhee (with his silly blog) were the only commission members opposed to to the Independent Citizens Redistricting Commission. So let's line up our tanks and have a true political battle and discussion. Peck Young can argue 10-1 with an Independent Citizens Redistricting Commission and David Butts can argue whatever mixed plan he wants to without an Independent Citizens Redisrtcitrng Commission. I think Butts should pass on this and send Vice Commission Chair Ann Kitchens to advocate for any mixed plan proposals. At least she supported the Independent Citizens Redistricting Commission.

It is time for the Travis County Democratic Party Executive Committee to show some leadership on this issue. If Butts and Kitchens are not up to the task, have Lorenzo Sudan argue for any mixed plan. I respect in his integrity and reasoning of his position. He is an honorable person, we just disagree and he is not getting paid for advocating his positions.



Silly Blog? (0.00 / 0)
"Only David Butts and Fred McGhee (with his silly blog) were the only commission members opposed to to the Independent Citizens Redistricting Commission."

Do you care to elaborate?  What exactly was silly about the blog posts I devoted to discussion of these matters?  Have you reached out to me and tried to discuss this issue, before engaging in such a petty and childish insult?

You might try actually speaking to people before engaging in insulting language about them.  Especially if those people belong to and are active in some of the same organizations that you are.

It's called respect.  


[ Parent ]
AGR Website vs Fred McGhee's Blog (0.00 / 0)
To anyone still undecided on these issues, please check out: http://citizensdistricting10-1...

For an alternative view check out: www.fredmcghee.com

The issues are single vs mixed districts and total number of council members (regardless of whether a single or mixed system is used) plus an Independent Citizens Redistricting Committee. We are trying to alter the way Austin is governed. Austin is a unique city and the solution needs to be patterned for Austin. How they do things in Germany makes for interesting reading from Fred's blog, but has little value to the current debate.

Peck and I will debate you and Davis Butts in front of both the Travis County Democratic Party Executive Committee and the Black Austin Democrats as soon as it can be arranged.  


[ Parent ]
Debate, a question, and spelling (0.00 / 0)
Please, let's not eat up yet another TCDP CEC meeting with this debate. The issues committee heard Peck for an hour. The TCDP heard him for a shorter period, but it was enough, since he made essentially all the points that he made in his hour-long presentation to West Austin Dems. You do have a legitimate gripe on how that CEC meeting was run, with several hybrid advocates being given more time (total) than AGR, but almost nobody has the stomach for a re-run.

SMD is an important issue that the CEC should vote on, but it's not worth taking up meeting after meeting to do so. Just about everybody on the CEC has heard the arguments. Let's hold a vote on whether to endorse the AGR petition and move on.

A question for Fred, Stacy and David.  Did either AGR or the Charter Commission consider a non-standard voting scheme, e.g. a city-wide race where everybody votes for one candidate and the top three (or whatever the number is) get elected, possibly with a "Single transferable vote"? There are a lot of creative voting systems out there that allow minorities to be heard.  (Yes, that includes political minorities -- Republicans would claim their seats, too) They're not common in the US, but they are used in a few places, like Cambridge, MA, and are much more common abroad. (E.g. the Irish legislature is elected with STV)

Finally, my name isn't an African country, Stacy!  


[ Parent ]
The answer to your question on non-standard voting schemes (0.00 / 0)
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you and the typo with your last name in my last post. The non-standard voting scheme you described is called "cumulative voting" and is banned by state law for Texas cities with populations over 200,000.

Amarillo has cumulative voting and is the 14th largest city in Texas. Their population was 190,695 for the 2010 census.


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