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Doggett's Attacks on Castro, Meet Reality


by: Rotkoff

Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 02:50 PM CDT


(Another perspective on the TX-35 primary. We encourage supporters of all candidates to post diaries and engage with our readers. - promoted by Katherine Haenschen)

The Lloyd Doggett / Joaquin Castro primary battle (for a district that does not yet even actually exist!) is understandably contentious.  The political establishment in Travis County wants to protect its flagship member in Congress.  Young upstarts in San Antonio (and plenty in Travis, too) see the future in an impressive State House member.  Two good elected officials, two distinct core constituencies -- but only one district.  Things are bound to get ugly.

And the truth is, there are probably compelling reasons to be for or against each candidate.   I certainly have friends on both sides of this race.  Doggett and Castro each have reliably progressive voting records.  Each would do their best to represent the interests of the constituents they are running to serve.

But the recent attack on Joaquin Castro by the Doggett camp – that he has not sufficiently opposed Republican redistricting efforts – just isn’t true.  And folks, I’ve got the proof, right here: 

I took this picture sometime in the last 10 days of May, 2003.  At the time, I was using my vacation days as a member of Congressman Chet Edwards’ staff to help organize and execute the historic Democratic quorum-bust to Ardmore, Oklahoma.

On a Sunday night, 47 Democratic House members met in a hotel parking lot in north Austin and got on busses bound for the Oklahoma border, in order to deny the House a quorum, and prevent passage of Tom DeLay’s illegal redistricting map. (One Member crossed the border to Mexico, two drove to Ardmore on their own, and two flew in. In all 52 House Democrats stood up for voting rights that year).

If you’ll look closely at the picture above, you’ll notice a skinny young freshman member four spots to the left of the podium from first row. That’s Joaquin Castro.  When he got on the bus to Ardmore, Joaquin was risking his political future so African Americans and Latinos across Texas -- not to mention Travis County Democrats -- could maintain the ability elect Members of Congress who would represent their communities. 

I’ve worked with or for the Democratic leadership in the Texas House in some capacity or another during every legislative session since the 2003 redistricting nightmare.  I’ve worked on dozens of legislative campaigns and have been involved in legislative strategy and floor tactics for 5 consecutive House sessions.

Since he first got on that bus to Ardmore, Joaquin Castro has been an unyielding soldier – no, a leader – in Democratic efforts to stand up to Republican politicians and policies that would damage the state we all love.  

Joaquin didn’t quit after Ardmore. He kept up the fight against Tom Craddick and was a part of the team that brought the corrupt Republican speaker down.  While some Democrats were trading votes for harmful budgets and Speaker endorsements in exchange for favored committee assignments, Joaquin Castro stuck to his guns. And he’s managed to do it while maintaining his ability to effectively pass legislation and influence policy.

Doggett supporters have repeated claims by a Republican operative that Joaquin Castro somehow colluded with House Republicans when this district was drawn.  And some have claimed that because some of his donors have also supported Republicans, that Joaquin's Democratic principles are doubtable.  But since when do Democrats put more stock in the words of a self-serving Republican who drew himself a district on the taxpayers’ dime than we do on a respected official’s proven record?  I’ll trust my own two eyes and experiences over a Republican without much credibility.

 -- Jeff Rotkoff 

   
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Well said Jeff (4.00 / 2)
I've always seen Castro as a progressive and standing up for Democrats in the House. He's a proven leader in terms of higher education. When I visited his office this past biennium for a lobby visit I noticed he proudly displayed a photo of him with, at that time, the LGRL lobby team in his waiting area.

You're right that this is an unfortunate situation. I'm hoping the new maps will give us a better situation. But at least I don't see the Castro campaign in the mud like the Doggett campaign seems to have progressed to. I mean, that last piece by the Doggett supporter was pretty low level, especially compared with your piece.

Thanks for keeping the high road on this race.


good post (3.00 / 1)
for me, ardmore was the defining moment for our dems.

and jeff is correct in pointing out that one's worth as a dem should be found in one's body of work rather than one or two pieces.

and we should all be honest enough to acknowledge that this attack on JC wouldn't even be brought up (or the so-called republican $) if he wasn't being challenged by LD in this new district.

Please refer to KT's signature.


Ardmore was a disaster (0.00 / 0)
Whatever ones thoughts on the courage or tenacity of the Members who went to Ardmore, it was a strategic and political disaster. Not only were the Democrats unable to stop the mid-decade redisctricting, the Republicans were able to slam the Dems for cutting and running and whatnot. Polls showed that the Dems hurt themselves by fleeing to Ardmore. And it is those kind of bad strategic and political decisions that keeps lots of independent voters from supporting Democrats - they seem inept and weak.  

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Why would a Republican (0.00 / 0)
lie and say that Castro was involved when he wasn't?  After all, their clear intention was and is to get rid of Doggett, why would he lie in a manner that would help Doggett?

I don't care about who he accepts donations from, but lending Republicans credibility on redistricting by colluding with them to benefit himself isn't excusable.  Being a part of the quorum bust 8 years ago doesn't excuse it either.

"I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually."- James A. Baldwin


Jumping to some interesting conclusions (0.00 / 0)
Timothy, you've already proven you're a hack for Doggett on another blog entry but let's discuss what you point out.

Several Democrats worked with Republicans on their districts. It's the nature of the game in redistricting. Castro and Villarreal were working to help make the 35th the best Hispanic Opportunity District they could by making sure it had a good representation in the district, and it does.

Colluding is a strange word because you'll have to lump a bunch more than just Castro and Villarreal into the mix. BTW, it's interesting you don't mention Villarreal who was mentioned in the testimony also. It's like you and the Doggett camp want to lay all the blame on Castro. That pretty much speaks to your intentions.

BTW, being a part of quorum busting is a heck of a lot more critical than discussing a district with the Republicans. Help me out. They are in charge. If we are going to get the best deal we can we HAVE to talk to them. Can you give me another path? I'm waiting for that one.

BTW, I completely agree with Jeff on this one. That district isn't Doggett's and I've said that many times before. That district is the voters. I'm beginning to wonder how we all of a sudden changed the Constitution back to Imperial England and dedicated the districts to individuals. I mean, you seem to believe that.

The 35th is a BRAND NEW DISTRICT. There is no "incumbent" in it. You guys seem to want to try to create a scandal where one doesn't exist and honestly, it's going to come back to bite you if you're not careful. Make this more than it is and voters see through that kind of stuff.


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Can we get one thing straight? (4.33 / 3)
Congressman Doggett was targeted by the Republican mapmakers for one simple reason: they don't think he's protected by the Voting Rights Act.

Redistricting is a zero sum game; the guys drawing their maps aren't going after Doggett because he made a really mean speech about them on the House floor or because he's a great fighter for progressives. It's the same reason they went after Chet, Lampson, Frost, Stenholm, and Sandlin. It's because that's the only option available to them if they want to make more Republican seats. You can't target Sheila Jackson Lee or Charlie Gonzalez or Eddie Bernice Johnson because they are protected by the VRA.

@Timothy: to answer your question: Republicans will bend and distort the truth in order to claim that they made their maps with the interests of minorities in mind. They hold up Castro and Villarreal in this district the same way they say that MALDEF proposed the district. They don't care at all about helping Doggett or even hurting him, they care about making the best case they can make that will allow them to squeeze the maximum partisan performance from the state.

Austin is full of Democrats. In their mind, you take the VRA protected Democrats in East Austin and link them to VRA protected Dems somewhere else, in this case San Antonio. You then take the non-VRA protected Dems, white liberals, and you dilute them in Republican districts that are anchored elsewhere. Just like that, you've packed minorities away in a neat little district, and you've sidelined an entire city that votes different from you.

It's really simple: Republicans want as many Republican seats as they can get. There's no conspiracy against Doggett, Castro didn't cut any secret deal, and 9/11 wasn't an inside job. Stop looking for some complex, shady conspiracy, the truth is much simpler.

I'm really tired of the shady intimations and righteous indignation I've been seeing lately in this race. Both JC and LD are exceptional progressives and good, decent people with very valid arguments for why they should be sent to Congress in this new district. Stick to facts and stop trying to connect dots that aren't there.


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Well stated (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for this perspective Joe. I agree. Both are great elected officials. I really hope the new maps will provide better opportunity for both and I think there's some promise. No inside job here, just rational expectations.

Regarding redistricting, I posted this in another entry but I want to keep the drumbeat going on this. You're correct that redistricting is a zero sum game. But there is a better way and 11 states are trying it - a redistricting commission. I've written about it with some of the facts and latest results in CA. Sen. Wentworth (R-San Antonio) and Rep. Strama (D-Austin) have proposed this before, with Wentworth being the standard bearer. The results in CA have been extremely promising and I would hope TX would give this a shot in the next biennium. But it means putting partisan politics aside and doing what's best for the state.


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Joaquin Responding to Lloyd's Slimmy Attacks & Innuendo (3.00 / 2)

You should check out Joaquin's video addressing the increasing lies and attacks from Lloyd's surrogates. I've pasted the link below.

As to the specific allegation which John-Michael is promoting on behalf of Lloyd Doggett, that Joaquin collaborated with the Republicans to create CD-35, that's simply not true. Of course I called Joaquin the minute I read this. After the new district map was drawn, a couple of colleagues asked Joaquin about specific San Antonio neighborhoods in the district - nothing about Travis County or Hayes or Caldwell or Comal or Guadalupe was discussed. Joaquin voted against the redistricting.

I don't intend to disparage John Michael's integrity. I don't believe he knew the content or context of the discussions cited. Though, I do believe he should have investigated before promoting such an irresponsible and inaccurate interpretation. There are other examples of this sort of misinformation out there, undoubtedly orchestrated by Lloyd's campaign - even stepped up ever since Joaquin reported out fundraising Lloyd in 3rd quarter by more than $100k.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Lloyd has been an important community leader/public servant for nearly 40 years. And, when you see someone working against their own principles to keep their elected office, you know it's been too long. It's time for a new generation of leaders in Washington. Congress is broken. Yelling across the aisle isn't getting things done.  


Great points Eugene (0.00 / 0)
Frankly I'm surprised by what I'm hearing from several Doggett supporters. I would have expected this from some Republican hack but Doggett folks running with partial or distorted information to create controversy? Where did that come from?

Honestly, the average voter will look at this kind of behavior and reject it. It may make them feel good but, as you say, this is counter to the type of behavior expected of elected officials.

Let's hope this is just an incident and not a trend. If it is the later, then time to start laying out the realities of the matter.


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Yes, Congress is broken (0.00 / 0)
but why is getting rid of Lloyd Doggett deemed to be the solution.

As far as why Congress is broken, maybe you ought to look at the Republicans.  Their mindless obstruction of President Obama and their reckless behavior since taking the House in 2010 are clear proof of that.

There are many worthwhile reasons to support Joaquin Castro.  But one of them certainly is not an ability to work with a group of people (the GOP) that does not have the best interests of the country at heart.


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Yet (0.00 / 0)
The Republicans have been repeatedly redistricting Doggett in an attempt to lure a Hispanic Dem into challenging him.  Castro's now playing their game.

TX 35 is an open seat. (3.67 / 3)

Lloyd Doggett represents District 25, not 35.  Nobody lured a Hispanic Dem into challenging him.  TX 35 is an open seat.

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Very true (0.00 / 0)
Very good point Jobu. I'm still trying to figure out when we assigned districts to representatives and bypassed the elections. Frankly, I'd prefer to see the new maps because I have a suspicion the 25th will be more realistic in representation. But apparently the Doggett folks are ready for some mud slinging now and the game is on. If the dynamics of the district change I want every one of these mudslingers to be ready to roll up sleeves and repair any damage they may have created.

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Technically, yes. In reality, no. (0.00 / 0)
Sure, it's got a new number. Sure, it doesn't have Lloyd Doggett's house in it. (They made sure to put him in 25).  But a very large chunk of the current (2004-2010) CD25 is about to be CD35, and almost none of it is about to be CD25.

You could make a case that all 36 new districts are open, since all of the lines have moved. However, if you're going to identify old districts with new ones (as everybody does), you have to identify the old CD25 with the new CD35, not with the new CD25.  


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more... (4.00 / 2)
@ Timothy -- my main point is that the overall theme of Doggett's attack -- that Joaquin is somehow less than a committed Democrat -- simply isn't true. Ardmore illustrates that point; but my personal experience working with Democratic leadership in the House confirms it.

@ Jeb -- the districts don't belong to politicians. They belong to the voters. I resent the notion that Joaquin "took the bait." I believe he's running because he believes he can serve the district's constituents. Voters won't be falling for a Republican ploy if they support Castro. They'll be picking the candidate of their choice.

Thanks for the feedback, all.  


This is 2011, not 2003 (0.00 / 0)
Other writers have pointed out that Joaquin Castro was one of the 52 Texas representatives in 2003 to leave the state in response to Tom DeLay's attempts at carving the state into a more Republican landscape. This, they say, forgives (or even dismisses) whatever role he may have played in working with Republicans to create an equally unfair set of maps in 2011. They even go so far as to say that Castro was "risking his political future," despite the fact that Democrats have safely won his district with near 60% of the vote in every general election since at least 1992 (src: http://www.texastribune.org/di... How, then, was Castro risking his political future by doing what few if any would consider a risk at all?

The second important point to note is that 2003 was not the 2011 session. Whatever actions Castro took in 2003 do not excuse or dismiss any role he may have played in colluding with Republicans this past session. If it's true that Castro threw his Democratic colleagues under the bus by helping Republicans carve districts into the current maps in exchange for getting a congressional district that he can use to advance his own goals and ousting a true Democratic leader who has dedicated his life to protecting and defending the hard-working families from far-right wing extremism in all its flavors, it is something that the voters of this district must take into account when casting their ballot. Once again, do we want someone who only makes the bold decisions when it's easy or politically advantageous only to ultimately break under pressure? Or do we stay with Lloyd Doggett, the only one with a proven track record of representing the the people of Central Texas? When you break it down like this, the choice is anything but murky.


Risk was big (0.00 / 0)
The risk of quorum busting was big. Ask those in WI about that. You really have diminished an incredible act by our Democratic reps in 2003. Kind of shameful of a Democrat, if you ask me.

Regarding excusing his actions? How in the heck do you really find scandal in trying to establish a Hispanic Opportunity District? When did the 35th become "Doggett's District?" Was there some special meeting held those of us in the district missed?

BTW, I have to ask you are you a constituent of the new district or are you just trying to stir up conflict where it doesn't really exist? BTW, where are you getting this bit about Castro throwing Ds under the bus? That hasn't been cited in the testimony which everyone heard and seems to be perpetuated by Doggett hacks.

Regarding bold decisions I guess you really don't track the Texas House because Castro is one the more Progressives in it. Doggett is NOT the only one with a proven track record representing the people of his district. You might check the map. That district is mostly San Antonio and Bexar County. BTW, I never even saw Doggett in San Antonio until this election. Now you can't throw a quinceañera without seeing him.

No one on the Castro team has been faulting Doggett on anything. If anything, there's nothing but respect all around. Frankly I'm not ready to and would prefer to wait until the maps are complete. But if the Doggett camp wants to start rolling in the mud now, game on and we'll start laying it out hard and true. For some reason, and I've seen some pretty shady reasons, the Doggett supporters seem to feel it okay to get dirty now, if that's even necessary.


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Dr. Campbell taking on Wentworth in R Primary (3.67 / 3)
Any thoughts? I did have Doggett representing me, now I will have Lamar Smith. Now I go from having a moderate pro-choice Republican, that likes having concealed handguns on college campuses, to an outright teabagger for my State Senator.

I have checked the map, San Antonio and Bexar County dominate in Wentworth's district. Any moderate Democrats, Hispanic or Anglo, left to run? We have other problems besides CD35. I have always liked Wentworth's proposals on reforming the re-districting process. I doubt a semi reasonable Republican will survive a Republican primary challege in 2012.


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I'm having the same concerns (0.00 / 0)
I just posted another comment above about Wentworth's redistricting commission and as I was posting it I was thinking of Campbell's challenge. Almost mentioned it there but didn't. Scroll down and you took care of that for me. Thanks.

I agree with you about Wentworth. Sometimes you love him and sometimes you have ask where the heck did he come up with that? He's getting a very strong challenge on this from Campbell, who's last foray into politics was against Doggett, garnering 45% of the vote. Greg Jefferson of Plaza de Armas (paywall), a new local political news site in San Antonio, wrote about this race recently with some very good insight. One of the issues some Republicans have with Wentworth is that he's not conservative enough. "The complaint he's heard most is that Wentworth and other Republican Senators didn't do enough to thwart House Speaker Joe Straus, a friend and ally of Wentworth, as he - in the view of many Tea Partiers - sand-bagged legislation that would've blocked body searches at airports and 'sanctuary cities,'" said Jefferson in the article.

Campbell's challenge may force Wentworth to double down on the conservative agenda, forcing him to make some choices he probably doesn't want to make. If there were a Republican I would support it would be Wentworth, even with some of his conservative baggage.

You are right that 2012 could be a mess of a year in terms of forced agendas and choices.


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To clarify (0.00 / 0)
Doggett is the target of Republicans. Castro is taking money from Republicans in a very unbalanced way, we will know more once his report is released. Castro has said he will work with Republicans.

Castro testified to split up Bexar county to create a district for himself that actually hurts other Hispanic candidates. Take a look at Charlie Gonzalez in the Houston Chronicle (http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/10/charlie-gonzalez-wants-courts-to-restore-his-20th-district/)

Castro went after Doggett first, I read the newspaper and he criticized Doggett for not playing nice with others. It isn't that Doggett doesn't play nice, he just refuses to play nice with Republicans.

I am a proud constituent in the 25th district and a proud Democrat.

RBearSAT are you a Castro staffer or former staffer? Are you being paid by the campaign to hound Doggett supporters on blogs?



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so many errors (0.00 / 0)
i can't begin to address them all.

but to say that JC went after LD first is absurd and completely inaccurate.

and charlie? he's carrying water for LD and opposing new Hispanic districts. if he isn't very careful, he'll find himself in his own primary fight.

Please refer to KT's signature.


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Well, those donors referenced above (0.00 / 0)
are also from San Antonio, like Castro.

My point is that perhaps they donated money to Castro because of local reasons.  That is a big part of this race, I would think


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So wrong on so many fronts (5.00 / 1)
First of all, let's be very clear and I'll have to ask the same from you about campaign affiliation, I am not a staffer, former staffer or being paid by any campaign. If you really followed San Antonio politics and this blog you'd know that I'm just a Concerned Citizen in San Antonio. I support Castro, much like you support Doggett, and live in downtown San Antonio in the new 35th.

Now that we've got the credentialing out of the way, Castro is  not "taking money" from anyone. These are business people in San Antonio who know and trust Castro for doing the right thing, not some Republican conspiracy on the funding front. Apparently Doggett people can't seem to get that through their heads that Republicans do give to Democrats sometimes. It happens all the time. You're right in that Castro has said he'll work with Republicans. Is that a bad thing? Democrats do it all the time to get things done. Maybe you're a gridlock kind of person who doesn't really care about working together. That's what you seem to say.

You misstated Rep. Gonzalez's statement about what would be hurt. The issue isn't within Bexar County but the fact that Bexar and Travis would possibly compete for dollars. "Gonzalez said putting San Antonio and Austin in the same district would put the two in direct competition for federal funds and programs, which could bode ill for San Antonio's poorer neighborhoods." If you're going to cite the article, quote it accurately and quit trying to misstate the facts.

Castro didn't go after Doggett first, Doggett jumped into the district after Castro announced.

Is this what they're feeding you over at the Doggett camp? It's good this is coming out because it gives us a chance to clear up the misinformation for people.


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Good point on the donations (5.00 / 1)
and as I stated previously, these folks are all from San Antonio.  Wouldn't they be inclined to support a San Antonio candidate.  Why does it have to be about Doggett only?

Look, if I lived in the district, I would be voting for Doggett.  But these donations have nothing to do it.  I'm a civil engineer and I note that 4 of those names are civil engineers.  Maybe they think that Castro could be helpful on infrastructure issues.  It isn't always about party affiliation.

Look, Barbara Bush endorsed Annise Parker for re-election as Houston MAyor.  Are we going after for that.  Of course not, and that's as it should be


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Very good points - this is an election, not a coronation (5.00 / 1)
v2aggie2 that's a great point on the contributions. I mean some of Doggett's contributors gave to Republicans also. Take Dell, for example. If you look at their contribution record they have some years they give more to Republicans than Democrats. Bracewell & Giuliani is another one that seems to give more to Republicans than Democrats. I just looked at two big buck contributors. But do the Doggett people have a problem with that? I guess not. So it's pretty clear they are TRYING to create controversy where one doesn't exist.

Honestly, this is going to backfire on them if they keep it up. I mean if we keep digging like this on Doggett we may find some stuff we didn't really intend to dig up. But you have to if they keep coming up with these kind of things.


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sorry, but... (5.00 / 1)
The responses to this post just reinforce to me that I'm on the right side of this debate.  

The general tenor of the Doggett camp is that this is "his" district. It shouldn't be that way. Disticts arent owned by politicians. They're owned by voters. If you wanna say your candidate is the best guy, then go for it. But in my experience, the more offended is that someone would dare to challenge them, the more disconnected they are. And the more likely to get beat.

Secondly, as to the repeated accusation from Team Doggett that Castro is cozy with Republicans...the entire point of my post is that I have actually worked with Democrats in the House for the last five sessions, and that attack doesn't hold water.

Here's a challenge for Dogget suppoerters: can you prove either a) that Doggett has never taken campaign contributions from donors who also support some Republicans (one of the sins you accuse Castro of), or b) a single instance wherein Joaquin has cast a meaningful policy vote that you believe wasn't in his constituents' best interests?


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my my (3.00 / 1)
Who is the paid staffer? You just joined Oct 14, to post an nasty insinuation against RBearSAT?
Interesting, because some people come here and add comments about Texas politics at the Burnt Orange Report for years. You sign up and immediately accuse someone as a "Castro staffer" when If you followed this site you would not have asked that question.
Are YOU a "Republican staff"/"Doggett staffer"?

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Second comment (3.00 / 2)
And you're making accusations? Randy (RBearSAT) has been very upfront about who he is, who he supports and why.

Two new posters register within a day of each other for the sole purpose of attacking Joaquin Castro ... one with the last name "Beaux", the other with the last name "Breaux."

The "Megan Beaux" account was registered at 9:09pm on Friday ... less than 50 minutes after the "lbreaux" account had been registered. Seems somewhat suspicious.

This follows a few days after a former paid staffer of Doggett's posted a diary in which he failed to disclose his prior employment history.

As "a proud Democrat", can you tell us which organizations and/or past campaigns you have been involved in?



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David's right (0.00 / 0)
I was a paid staffer in Congressman Doggett's Austin district office - 5 years ago. Let's get it all out there...I was also a teller at NationsBank in high school and a bartender in college. Apparently, per David's logic, that makes me unfit to form or express my own unbiased opinion and about debit cards or bourbon. Please discount anything I may have mentioned on those or any related subjects. Thanks for setting the record straight, David.

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Fair enough (0.00 / 0)
though it should be noted that David was asking about "Megan Breaux" in this thread, not you

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nope, think he was talking about me... (0.00 / 0)
...when he said "a former paid staffer of Doggett's posted a diary in which he failed to disclose his prior employment history."

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Not "unfit" at all (5.00 / 1)
John-Michael,

I think your opinion and perspective are important and relevant to this debate, regardless of your past employment by Congressman Doggett. As an elected official in Austin and a constituent of the district, your opinion should be heard on this types of issues.

However, I do think you should disclose your past employment. That was my only issue. My apologies if it appeared any other way.


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Maybe the problem will be solved (0.00 / 0)
AS of late last night LULAC offered up their interim map and POOF!  
No more CD 35 at all.  All gone.  

Doesn't mean it's the final map, but
just sayin'......

http://txredistricting.org/


Well, it just moved (0.00 / 0)
CD35 just moved to the Coastal Bend area and downtown SAT split between CD20 and CD28. CD25 actually looks as bad, if not worse, than the current CD35. Redistricting commission, you couldn't get here fast enough.

I do agree the maps are going to change but let's hope something better than this Rorschach test brought to you by the good folks at LULAC.  


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yes, 35 moved (0.00 / 0)
didn't disappear, but 25 is not 'just as bad'.   The Republicans redrew 25 to stretch way way out west, through Deliverance country and on north almost to Ft. Worth.   THat LULAC interim map squeezes it back down to being an "Austin" based district, not pitting it against San Antonio.  Not "bad".

Yea, I guess I was just frustrated at the stretch (5.00 / 1)
Actually I'd prefer we avoid a lot of those stretch districts, 35th included. I don't think this map will stand up either but stranger things have happened. When I did the research for my blog entry on redistricting commissions I was pleasantly surprised to see how well they were able to compact districts in CA and still maintain the balance needed for the districts. They accomplished with a commission what our legislature and LULAC can't seem to pull off.

I think I posted a couple of years ago in BOR a posting about the issue of LULAC and others trying to jump into the redistricting game. I understand why they do it, much like what some of our D legislators try to do, in trying to offset some of the madness of the Rs. There's just a better way to do it.


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Cookie Jar (0.00 / 0)
It's bad enough that Castro worked with Republicans to divide communities across Texas in 2011 and that he did so secretly.

It's bad enough that Castro told Democratic activists that he strongly opposed the GOP map without revealing his GOP collaboration.

It's bad enough that Castro cut the heart out of Rep Gonzalez's district, including his home, office, and the Alamo. It's bad enough that Castro helped make Republican Rep Conseco's district more Republican.

But then Castro has the gall to desperately claim that his action 8 years ago on the DeLay map excuses his conspiring to create the Perry map in 2011.

Sorry Castro. It is no defense to getting caught with your hand in the Republican cookie jar in 2011, that you were well behaved in 2003.  


Enough is enough. (3.00 / 1)
It seems clear you joined BOR for one purpose: to attack Joaquin Castro. While that's your right, the BOR community also has a right to ask you who you are and what ulterior motives you may have, especially given the non-disclosure by a former Doggett staffer in a front-paged diary.

It is also strange (though could certainly be a coincidence) that another account with a similar name to yours was registered within an hour of yours and has so far been used for the sole purpose of attacking Castro.

As I wrote above, "The 'Megan Beaux' account was registered at 9:09pm on Friday ... less than 50 minutes after the "lbreaux" account had been registered. Seems somewhat suspicious.

This follows a few days after a former paid staffer of Doggett's posted a diary in which he failed to disclose his prior employment history.

As "a proud Democrat", can you tell us which organizations and/or past campaigns you have been involved in?"

Welcome to BOR, Megan. Looking forward to your response.


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So I guess this is how the Doggett campaign will play out (0.00 / 0)
First of all Megan, let's talk about Ardmore. Apparently you have very little recollection of those actions. They were brave and heroic and actually were in support of Doggett by trying to protect his district as best they could. To even think about diminishing those actions is pretty disgusting of a "proud Democrat." I think a lot of Democrats, even in Doggett's camp, are cringing at your immature statements on that. Ask the WI Democrats what kind of risk those actions have.

Regarding your claims of secret negotiations, where are these secret? Castro was working with Republicans to provide as much support for Bexar County as he could. Maybe you need a little education on who has control of the House. It ain't the Democrats. Your comments are starting to show ignorance of the facts and more about hacking.

You can collaborate to do the best you can for the district but still oppose the overall redistricting process. That's a pretty fair position. Only those extreme Doggett supporters like yourself feel this is an issue. Anyone with any knowledge of how the legislature works understands what was at stake and how things work. Get back with us when you've gotten a little more information.

Finally, you have yet to really apologize to me after making some pretty smarmy accusations about my affiliations. I'm about as up front as you can get. I've been around here a while and try to provide much information as I can. David's asking some valid questions which you seem to be ducking and dodging, acting much like what you seem to be accusing Castro of.

So, how about coming clean. I know you're NOT a resident of the new 35th and a Doggett supporter. We all know you jumped into BOR just to hack at Castro. As David said, welcome to BOR. We hope you contribute more to the community than just making baseless claims at a strong Democrat and candidate. If that's all you're about, personally I view you no better than a Republican troll.


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hee hee (0.00 / 0)
that is rich.

i love the anonymity of the internets.

(i hope she doesn't find out about LD's extensive holdings in Oil & Gas companies and BoA...she'll really hit the "collaborator" overdrive.)

Please refer to KT's signature.


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My name is JD Gins (3.00 / 1)
and I am addicted to politics. This thread has been the stuff my habit is made of.

I hope that 25 is redrawn and made more competitive so that maybe LD will stay my congressman. But I have also heard a good case made for redrawing the DFW area and picking up two Hispanic seats there. If they can only do one thing and redraw DFW's line, I would understand, but come on they should just do both.

Austin does not have its own district? Seriously?

I have no doubt both JC and LD are liberal as sin and will represent the best interest of the district. However I am on the JC supporter list because I believe he is prepared to help lead the Texas Democratic Party in the future as well as firm belief he is honest in his intention to see Austin and SA team up to build the infrastructure of opportunity. When you drive from SA to Austin it almost looks like silicone valley already!

That said, I would be ready to kick some serious ass for LD if he was running in 25 against Michael Williams. I have heard rumors that someone (once the new baby says its okay) is stepping up for that fight, but I know he would step aside in a second to fight along all of Austin, SA and Democrats from across the state in a epic LD ass kicking of some tea party crazies fight!

But the key reason I wanted to post in this thread is to echo my general dislike for anonymous attack here. This is a community, and I think that people should stand by their name. I want to know if megan is LD staffer or not, but clearly we wont get that answer.

I have good friends on both sides of this, and I know we should all just keep our powder dry until we are sure what these districts will look like.


Great comments (0.00 / 0)
JD I like your style already and enthusiasm. Looks like it's been a while since you engaged but it also looks like you have some enthusiasm for these new congressional seats. Awesome.

I think we've been a little too focused on the 35th to forget the mess up in the DFW area. It would be great to have someone up there post some thoughts on that district. Heck, it'd be good for those in the other two districts to post their thoughts. I think the more dialogue we have about the districts the better off we become.

Once again, thanks for the rational thoughts and yes, let's kick some butt in 2012.


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this is all gonna' be moot (0.00 / 0)
updates on interim maps just up on  www.txredistricting.org    

read through Michael Li's excellent commentary.  From what I read in it there is no way CD 35 is going to stay as is.  One comment specifically mentions the unpleasant race that is shaping up between Congressman Doggett and Rep. Castro.  
I'll be glad to see not only the end to Dem-on-Dem fighting but find hope in the comments in the piece about restoring some of Travis Co's integrity.

Really, read the updated commentary.   www.txredistricting.org


Interesting but it further demonstrates the problems with redistricting (0.00 / 0)
What I find most interesting is that the parties involved are still playing the redistricting games. Let's take Canseco's proposal in Bexar County. The proposal creates an interesting gerrymandering leg that sneaks into the downtown area through leg just north of SAC extending into the core then shockingly picking up King William but excluding Lavaca. I wonder why? :) First of all, it really violates the communities of interest and compactness test and is really just serving Gonzales who wants to keep his jewels of downtown and the Alamo. After all, what rep wouldn't want to say they represent the Cradle of Texas Liberty. I'm sure about every rep in the House would gerrymander the Alamo into their district if they could.

In southern Bexar County Canseco takes parts of Gonzalez's district and the new 35th, my guess as a balance to what he gave back to Gonzalez in downtown. It also keeps the IH-35 road trip intact by running back up to Austin, pretty much like the existing 35th is drawn. He also gives up Maverick, Frio, and Lasalle counties.

Is Canseco's map really a remedy or give-me to his buddy, Charlie Gonzalez. You can pretty much see the later. Did it serve the voters. Nope. That gerrymandering mess in downtown was worse than the Redistricting Committee left it. It also didn't deal with the Doggett-Castro issue, aside from cutting out some key Bexar County support for Castro (Monte Vista, Tobin Hill, and King William).

Travis County plaintiffs (C166) would realign CD25 into a single Travis County district. It drops any hint of CD35 existing in South Texas. MALC's (C211) is probably one of the worst at gerrymandering, especially if you look at Dallas and Tarrant County. In Bexar, for Gonzalez, they follow Canseco's game plan with that weird carve out for Monte Vista, Tobin Hill, and King William. Oh, and he gets to keep the Alamo. Don't want to forget that little toy.

You can check out some of the others by using the District Viewer. The bottom line is I don't think any plan really helps this situation much other that demonstrate redistricting, left to incumbents and committee, never really takes the voter's interest at heart. Stump speech for a Redistricting Commission.


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A redistricting commission would be a big improvement. (3.00 / 1)
So would some common-sense rules on how redistricting is to be done. Best of all, have a redistricting commission that has to follow some common-sense rules, like:

1) First break Texas into natural regions (e.g., greater Houston, DFW, greater San Antonio, greater Austin, maybe greater El Paso, rural East Texas, rural North Texas, rural South Texas and rural West Texas), with tweaks along the edges so that each region has enough population for a whole number of congressional districts.

2) Then break each region into pieces.  There just isn't that much damage that you can do with only a few seats to play with. (For instance, greater Austin would have two seats, and they would almost certainly be a Democratic seat in Travis County and a Republican-leaning seat anchored in Williamson County.)


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