Burnt Orange Report

You're making Bush's argument for him. "If you oppose me you're playing into Hezbollah's (or Castro's) hands."

If you want persons of conscience to disavow F-9/11, then you want them to disavow its contents. But no one has ever impeached a single assertion of fact made in F-9/11. If people have to abandon its arguments, on what grounds then should they--we--oppose the Bush regime and its illegal war?

Wow. I didn't expect such a simple-minded argument to be posted by one of BOR's own. I thought I was reading something from Drudge for a second there...

So to be good Americans we are not allowed to do anything the 'enemy' can use against us? If that's the case, we might as well just give up on democracy right now.

Geez...

If Adolph Hitler liked the Mona Lisa, does that make Leonardo da Vinci a Nazi?

This post belongs on a freeper site and the poster in a remedial logic course.

I think "Lord of the Rings" was also very popular in Cuba. Damn you Steve Jackson! Damn you and your American-hating propoganda to hell!!

Let me get this straight. You got this information from "conservative sources" and by your own admission did only 10 minutes of research (and not on the claims made by these sources, mind you, but on the governments in question), and you're ready to charge Michael Moore with treason. Uh huh. So you didn't like the film. That's fine. But remember that the sources of this information are seeking to silence the voice of a dissenter by associating him with terrorists and communists, whether the facts support their claims or not. Sounds like you're letting some right-wing nutbars convince you of what you already want to believe.

For anybody who has doubts about the factuality of Fahrenheit 9/11, Michael Moore has provided back-up for every fact presented in the film. This is the first of SIX pages:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/index.php?id=16

And for those who consider Fahrenheit 9/11 to be some sort of joint Cuban-Hamas plot, Moore backs his film up with findings of the official 9/11 Commission.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/index.php?id=25

Blaming the witness for the crime only delays justice.

Andrew,

I'm inclined to disagree with ya on this one. V. simple reasoning here. We have free speech in America. We have the right to question our government. However fair or unfair, Michael Moore did that under the protection of the first amendment. America's enemies are now using that free speech against us. My reaction? A big so what. Would it be better that the speech was censored so it couldn't be used against us? Of course not. This is simply one of the unfavorable, but necessary consequences of free speech. Deal with it.

" ... when the people supporting Moore's movie (insert: Bush's war) kill innocent women, children and the elderly what does that say about him?"

How many tens of thousands of innocent men, women, children, and elderly did Bush kill with his by-God-I-gotta-have-a-war in Iraq? How many of those were tortured or killed or raped or humiliated in Abu Ghraib? How many innocent people were rounded up in New York during the Bush-fest and thrown in Guantanamo-style pens on oil-slicked concrete with no access to their one phone call, no attorney, not even a frikkin' bench or cot to rest on, etc.? I'm sorry, dude, but you gotta give credit where credit is due. It isn't Michael Moore who is the enemy here.

And isn't this just like a dem, to get confused and lose focus just at the end when we need focus most to defeat a TRUE ENEMY of the people??? George W. Bush, the AWOL loser who has NEVER had to be accountable for ANYTHING in his life, who has coasted all the way to the frikkin' PRESIDENCY of this great country on family connections, who is a coward and a bully, needs to go! So get focused!

I think people are fundamentally misunderstanding Andrew's argument here, if perhaps fueled by his zeal and anger (the last paragraph about the company you keep was definitely waaay over the top). The basic notion was NOT the conservative Moore=Castro et. al. point that everyone commenting so far has attributed to him, but that it is highly disturbing that this is a movie whose content and tone are being used as such, and that on top of that Moore does nothing to dissociate himself from such things (and if commenting on it at all, throws a fit in which all critics are labeled with a single malicious intent, not much different from the right-wingers most pissed off at him).

And to be honest, even as someone who thinks that "F-9/11" was overall a very potent and important film, to not admit that it is still highly flawed and that the things Andrew posted about aren't disturbing to me, would be as simplistic and dishonest as the wingnuts are. I'm all for holding the line and not letting the Right define the discourse, and not having the kind of infighting that usually plagues liberals, but the kind of blind obediance to a mere filmmaker that everyone has been positing is pretty damn extreme. Moore doesn't necessarily merit all of the attacks made on him, but that doesn't mean that there isn't strong criticism to be made and that it can't come from our own "side."

As I've stated before, MM is a voluntary lightning rod ..not necessarily the voice of reason and gets in front of the camera more than we'd like but he does incite dialogue where few are willing to tread. Having his work touted by evil dictators (who we should be toppling through capitalism not sanctions) and fanatics isn't the best publicity he could ask for. To summarily dismiss his work based on his audience cheapens the larger message. If Hamas started quoting passages from the Burnt Orange Report to bolster their case against Israel for whatever reason it wouldn't immediately invalidate the overall success of the site, it's impact on Texas Democrats and the important role it has played in opening up new participants to political involvement. The baby vs bathwater approach has rarely solved anything..... and a post like this will be freeper fodder soon. Remember, the ongoing theory is Osama voted for Kerry in the primaries.